Can I still have a child?👶

[Jboz]

What’s up everybody, I’m 30 years old and have been using AAS for 10 years. I’ve been with my girlfriend for a few years now and we’ve been having conversations about wanting children. This is something that when I started using years ago, didnt take into consideration . Unfortunately when I started I didn’t have the knowledge that I do now about things like hcg, hmg, and clomid. Over the past year or so, I started to occasionally buy hcg and would use 500ius eod for as long as I can until I run out, usually lasts a couple months and then stop for a few months and repeatl. I notice that when I’m on hcg my balls do feel a little fuller. I’ve used many different steroids over the years. Compounds which include

testosterone, trenbolone, masteron, primobolan, EQ, Dianabol, anavar, winstrol, proviron, and hgh

I’ve been running 250mg of testosterone enanthate 2x a week for the last 4 months. I just lowered the dose to 125mg 2x week. I take 6ius of hgh ed which I’ve been using for around 3 months now and 25 mg of proviron ed which I’ve been using for about a month.

Is it possible for someone like myself to have a child? If so, what would I need to do in order to achieve this? Im curious if anyone has ever been in a similar situation and was successful in conceiving a child? I know using AAS for years without any hcg has made this a difficult scenario. I’m considering, 2000ius hcg eod, 75ius hmg eod (Opposite Day of hcg) and 50 mg of clomid ed. I heard about this protocol for fertility and it sounds pretty solid. What do you guys think? Would I need to come completely off of all anabolics in order for this to work? If I do have to come completely off, will the hcg help keep my testosterone levels semi-decent so that I can still go to work and function and not feel like complete shit? I’ve heard of people lowering their testosterone dose down to 125-250mg range (not coming completely off) and still being able to conceive.

Any and all feedback would be greatly appreciated, thank you!

 

[That Guy]

My buddy's kids are in their teens so I'm talking about 15+ years ago. He was and still is heavily into gear. His doctor sent him to a fertility clinic. They tested his sperm and were of low quality. He did get off gear. He was on a very low dose of test that he'd tell us he might as well have gotten of that too. He eventually had 2 kids. Before he got back on gear, he said he saved a few vials of sperm at the clinic in case he wants to have more kids.

I don't know what else he took to boost up the quality of his sperm.

 

[Jboz]

My buddy's kids are in their teens so I'm talking about 15+ years ago. He was and still is heavily into gear. His doctor sent him to a fertility clinic. They tested his sperm and were of low quality. He did get off gear. He was on a very low dose of test that he'd tell us he might as well have gotten of that too. He eventually had 2 kids. Before he got back on gear, he said he saved a few vials of sperm at the clinic in case he wants to have more kids.

I don't know what else he took to boost up the quality of his sperm.

Wow that’s great for you friend! I know there’s a lot of people who run gear and have children but I’m not sure if these are all people who have taken hcg since the beginning or if some let themselves get “shut down” and then are able to bring sperm count back up. If I do figure this shit out then best believe I’ll be freezing some swimmers so I don’t have to go through this again! When you say, “he did get off gear.” And, “he was on a very low dose of test.” Do you mean he came off completely in order to regain his fertility? Or that he stopped blasting and came down to a low dose and was able to regain fertility like that? Just trying to determine whether or not I’ll have to come completely off. Being on for as long as I have makes me apprehensive. I could be wrong but I thought I heard somewhere that hcg will help keep your testosterone levels within a healthy range even if you come off of test? I’m pretty sure rich piana said this? Not sure if anyone can confirm this or not.

 

[Bigdovis2]

if cbum is having a child & Derek Lunsford, I think we can have children.

It’d probably be smart to go to a clinic, if you don’t have the means then look up Boston Loyd’s pregnancy protocol.

 

[Jboz]

if cbum is having a child & Derek Lunsford, I think we can have children.

It’d probably be smart to go to a clinic, if you don’t have the means then look up Boston Loyd’s pregnancy protocol.

So from what I understand Boston Lloyd’s pregnancy protocol is basically the one I stated in my OP except the dose of hcg is 4000ius eod? That sounds like a lot. I’m sure it works but that’s also really expensive. I was thinking Dave Polumbos pregnancy protocol which is

2000ius hcg eod
75ius hmg eod (Opposite Day of hcg)
50mg clomid ed

I’ll most likely go to a fertility doctor if I don’t succeed after a few months on this protocol.

I’d love to hear from cbum and Derek Lunsford on how they have children without losing any size.

Still curious if I’ll have to come completely off or if I can just lower my dose.

 

[That Guy]

When you say, “he did get off gear.” And, “he was on a very low dose of test.” Do you mean he came off completely in order to regain his fertility? Or that he stopped blasting and came down to a low dose and was able to regain fertility like that?

I gave him a call. He gotten off everything back then. He doesn't remember how much, but he was taking less than 200mg test p/w. When he was on cycle, he did take hcg. He just kept saying to research fertility clinics. Not all are the same. Many are very cookie cutter and follow the same protocol for everyone while others are more individualized.

Do allot of research on your own. See what to look for in tests. Allot of the information available isn't a secret anymore due to the existence of the Internet. Also remember it's not just you. All because you may or may not have issues, there's a female involved.

 

[DREDD]

I am similiar in my journey with AAS and was able to conceive my first child in my early 30's after being on for roughly 8 years. I used all the compounds you listed as well if that helps.

What worked for me is as follows:

• Recombinant LH
• Recombinant FSH
• If you are unable to find recombinant versions you can use regular HCG and HMG. They should be used together as they work synergistically.
• Be careful going up to 2000iu EOD HCG for long durations (more than 60 days) as you can do more damage than benefit.

These are a bit newer than HCG and HMG and have shown more promising results for fertility.

Few recommendations for your current situation:

1. Drop proviron - wont help with fertility and will crush your SHBG and reduce gains, increase sides. Your sex drive will also drop off a cliff sometime ater 30-60 days of use.
2. Reduce TRT to 100mg/wk dosing daily Sub Q - will reduce estrogen sides and offer enough hormone to maintain mental health. All muscle loss will immediately return after you get back on cycle. Muscle memory is a real thing.
3. Drop Clomid from fertility protocol. HCG and HMG will stimulate enough LH and FSH that you wont need the signaling from Clomid. Clomid helps but doesnt contain any of the active compounds needed to stimulate spermiogenesis.

 

[Jboz]

I am similiar in my journey with AAS and was able to conceive my first child in my early 30's after being on for roughly 8 years. I used all the compounds you listed as well if that helps.

What worked for me is as follows:

• Recombinant LH
• Recombinant FSH
• If you are unable to find recombinant versions you can use regular HCG and HMG. They should be used together as they work synergistically.
• Be careful going up to 2000iu EOD HCG for long durations (more than 60 days) as you can do more damage than benefit.

These are a bit newer than HCG and HMG and have shown more promising results for fertility.

Few recommendations for your current situation:

1. Drop proviron - wont help with fertility and will crush your SHBG and reduce gains, increase sides. Your sex drive will also drop off a cliff sometime ater 30-60 days of use.
2. Reduce TRT to 100mg/wk dosing daily Sub Q - will reduce estrogen sides and offer enough hormone to maintain mental health. All muscle loss will immediately return after you get back on cycle. Muscle memory is a real thing.
3. Drop Clomid from fertility protocol. HCG and HMG will stimulate enough LH and FSH that you wont need the signaling from Clomid. Clomid helps but doesnt contain any of the active compounds needed to stimulate spermiogenesis.

I really appreciate you taking the time out to share this. What dosages of hcg and hmg where you using? And roughly how long did it take until you were successful? Should I wait until I lower my dose down to 100mg per week before I begin the hcg and hmg? Or is it okay start using a small amount of hcg (500ius 3x week) until I get down to 100mg?

 

[DREDD]

I would make sure to be on 100mg for 4-5 weeks before starting your fertility protocol. This will ensure the remaining plasma concentrations from your blast have returned to non-supraphysiological levels.

Here is a good protocol for hCG + over the counter supplements for fertility: https://vigoroussteve.com/short-ter...x-hormone-balance-to-libido-favorable-ranges/

Here's some good info on semen volume and hMG + other supplements or ancillaries to help:

I used 2000IU RhCG EOD for 14 days and then 1000iu RhCG EOD for 3 weeks followed by 500iu RhCG EOD for 8 weeks. RhMG at 75mg 3x per week for 3 months. This protocol allowed me to conceive my first born after 3 months of protocol.

Efficacy and safety of human chorionic gonadotropin combined with human menopausal gonadotropin and a gonadotropin-releasing hormone pump for male adolescents with congenital hypogonadotropic hypogonadism

Compared to adult studies, studies which involve the treatment of pediatric congenital hypogonadotropic hypogonadism (CHH) are limited and no universal treatment regimen is available. The aim of this study was to evaluate the feasibility of human chorionic ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[midwa]

It's definitely possible. I was B&C'ing for over 6 years without using hcg. Got sperm tested and it was zero! I had to completely come off test to be able to recover. 4 months being off test, 3000iu HCG EOD & 75mg HMG EOD and we were able to conceive. It was a miserable four months but worth it in the end.

 

[beefee321]

I've used heavily for 13 years and have concieved 3 children with my wife. My first One while on a deca/test/anadrol cycle.

The second two were a little harder. Each time though I simply dropped to a cruise dose of 200mg test per week, and then dosed 250iu MWF with HCG. It definitely took some time, but I confirmed with sperm tests I went from 0 sperm to being fertile both times and we got two more kids. So yeah, there's definitely hope.

 

[Jboz]

I would make sure to be on 100mg for 4-5 weeks before starting your fertility protocol. This will ensure the remaining plasma concentrations from your blast have returned to non-supraphysiological levels.

Here is a good protocol for hCG + over the counter supplements for fertility: https://vigoroussteve.com/short-ter...x-hormone-balance-to-libido-favorable-ranges/

Here's some good info on semen volume and hMG + other supplements or ancillaries to help:

I used 2000IU RhCG EOD for 14 days and then 1000iu RhCG EOD for 3 weeks followed by 500iu RhCG EOD for 8 weeks. RhMG at 75mg 3x per week for 3 months. This protocol allowed me to conceive my first born after 3 months of protocol.

Efficacy and safety of human chorionic gonadotropin combined with human menopausal gonadotropin and a gonadotropin-releasing hormone pump for male adolescents with congenital hypogonadotropic hypogonadism

Compared to adult studies, studies which involve the treatment of pediatric congenital hypogonadotropic hypogonadism (CHH) are limited and no universal treatment regimen is available. The aim of this study was to evaluate the feasibility of human chorionic ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

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okay so I will lower my dose to 100mg before starting the protocol so that the plasma concentrations return back to non-supraphysiological levels. Thanks for explaining that, it actually makes a lot of sense! I’m currently on

125mg 2x week (test e)
4ius 2x day (hgh)
(I took you’re advice and cut out the proviron)

I plan on tapering the testosterone dosage down a little bit each week until I can comfortably get to 100mg. At that point I’ll wait 4-5 weeks before starting the fertility protocol. Can I introduce hcg at 500ius 2-3 times a week up until I get to that point? Or do you think thats a bad idea since being on hcg for long durations can cause more harm than benefit? My thought process behind that is it to get the ball rolling a little. If it’s going to desensitize me then I’ll wait but I just wanted to get your opinion on that.

Thanks for all the feedback bro your knowledge is valuable! i’m sure that this thread can help a ton of guys out there as well as myself so I’m happy we’re having this conversation.

 

[Jboz]

It's definitely possible. I was B&C'ing for over 6 years without using hcg. Got sperm tested and it was zero! I had to completely come off test to be able to recover. 4 months being off test, 3000iu HCG EOD & 75mg HMG EOD and we were able to conceive. It was a miserable four months but worth it in the end.

Wow that’s awesome dude! Happy to hear you were able to have a kid, I bet those 4 months were terrible but definitely worth it! Did the hcg and hmg help you feel alright at all while you were off of teatosterone or did you still crash hard? I’ve heard that hcg helps keep your testosterone levels semi-decent when you “come off.” I remember hearing that from Rich Piana when he took a break from gear he said he would just take hcg and that his testosterone levels would stay elevated from it.

 

[Jboz]

I've used heavily for 13 years and have concieved 3 children with my wife. My first One while on a deca/test/anadrol cycle.

The second two were a little harder. Each time though I simply dropped to a cruise dose of 200mg test per week, and then dosed 250iu MWF with HCG. It definitely took some time, but I confirmed with sperm tests I went from 0 sperm to being fertile both times and we got two more kids. So yeah, there's definitely hope.

Did your first born child come out of the womb yelling, “LIGHT WEIGHT BABYYY!!!” Hahaha no but seriously that’s crazy man I’ve heard of people having children on a full on blast before. I think I’m past the point of being able to have a blast baby but coming down to 200mg of test a week and dosing hcg at 250ius MWF sounds nice and easy and definitely gives me hope so thank you brother.

 

[beefee321]

Did your first born child come out of the womb yelling, “LIGHT WEIGHT BABYYY!!!” Hahaha no but seriously that’s crazy man I’ve heard of people having children on a full on blast before. I think I’m past the point of being able to have a blast baby but coming down to 200mg of test a week and dosing hcg at 250ius MWF sounds nice and easy and definitely gives me hope so thank you brother.

You ain't lying, that MFer went straight from the birth canal to the squat rack lol. But yeah the first one was definitely a lucky shot as it was a little early in my use, the other two were about 5 years in and then 8 years in. So yeah. I tried the whole "come off completely" thing and I just felt so shitty I had to figure out a different way to go about it, and that regiment was very doable.