I’ve personally heard it’s bro science because receptors upregulate not down regulate. It seems as though everyone says that you get better results after coming off for a while because you can utilize lower doses though. That’s why my question was if dropping my test this low is as effective as coming off completely when wanting to utilize that reboundis receptor sensitivity in regards to gear even a proven thing? would appreciate some science dropped on this (no broscience or anecdotes please)
God damn man, appropionate coming in with the real questions. I was so down to leave this as a “bro-science = But my receptors dawg” thread lol.is receptor sensitivity in regards to gear even a proven thing? would appreciate some science dropped on this (no broscience or anecdotes please)
Could you elaborate on leptin (aka the satiety hormone) downshifting with gear use, and how this may relate to homeostasis (iirc leptin shifts down when dieting as to halt underconsumption of calories and thus weight loss, leading to maintenance/a yoyo effect which could be coined homeostasis aka a return to ones set point)? I have a unique predicament - my leptin levels, both fasted and post-prandially, are always immeasurably low aka zero, and multiple doctors and endocrinologists haven’t been able to figure out why despite endless tests - leptin deficiency is extremely rare, and leptin resistance would still show leptin present post-prandially, so if you know anything, I’d love to know.The question become more hormones shifting down (such as Leptin and a few others that regulate homeostasis in the body) as mass is added on.
The research I have read on Leptin isn’t superwell understood; i.e. it isn’t nearly as understood as testosterone is. There have been many, many studies which have shown increase leptin levels to be indicative of higher bodyfat percentage. Then again, women normally have 2-3 times as much Leptin as men. It gets more complicated since the majority of studies and literature that we have is done on rodents (rats specifically) and it has not shown to have much causation in humans.DNPstoney" pid='60525' dateline='1562931075:
Could you elaborate on leptin (aka the satiety hormone) downshifting with gear use, and how this may relate to homeostasis (iirc leptin shifts down when dieting as to halt underconsumption of calories and thus weight loss, leading to maintenance/a yoyo effect which could be coined homeostasis aka a return to ones set point)? I have a unique predicament - my leptin levels, both fasted and post-prandially, are always immeasurably low aka zero, and multiple doctors and endocrinologists haven’t been able to figure out why despite endless tests - leptin deficiency is extremely rare, and leptin resistance would still show leptin present post-prandially, so if you know anything, I’d love to know.The question become more hormones shifting down (such as Leptin and a few others that regulate homeostasis in the body) as mass is added on.
Yeah I get what you mean about the compounds bro, I was using Test E, Deca and EQ at a gram each, silly ass cycle for sure haha just an experimentappropionate" pid='60520' dateline='1562926697:
God damn man, appropionate coming in with the real questions. I was so down to leave this as a “bro-science = But my receptors dawg” thread lol.is receptor sensitivity in regards to gear even a proven thing? would appreciate some science dropped on this (no broscience or anecdotes please)
AFAIK, no, there is no link between “receptors” (though, I am not sure what this means honestly) and too much gear use. The question become more hormones shifting down (such as Leptin and a few others that regulate homeostasis in the body) as mass is added on. As well as an uptick of myostatin (and likely other hormones) that starts to limit how much muscle mass can be added in a certain amount of time.
Granted, most of the studies (and therefore, scientific data) we have is based off of rat and sometimes cattle models, but AAS are not widely studied in humans at this time.
OP; 100mg would likely be enough to stop any potential loss in muscle mass if you are also lifting (with high intensity) and eating a high protein diet. Personally, I would suggest a bit higher, as 100mg/week would likely not put you in ideal levels of Total Testosterone and Free Testosterone in your blood. I would suggest 6-8 weeks of ~150mg/week, getting bloods around the 6 week mark to dial in your dosage, to prevent muscle mass.
Tbf though, 3 grams of gear is a bit ambiguous. Would want to know your general compounds used (specifically; how much test did you use? And what were the other compounds?) and what the esters were. 3g of Test Prop, NPP, and Tren A are much different than 3g of Test U, EQ, and Deca if you know what I mean.
A bit uneven man (something link 750mg Test, 600mg Deca, 1200mg EQ rather than gram each) but not going to act like I have not done similar cycles that don’t make a ton of sense when you look back. The ol’ hindsight is 20/20; plus, we are here for risk prevention, not to lecture each other about gear use haha.DNPstoney" pid='60525' dateline='1562931075:
Yeah I get what you mean about the compounds bro, I was using Test E, Deca and EQ at a gram each, silly ass cycle for sure haha just an experimentappropionate" pid='60520' dateline='1562926697:
God damn man, appropionate coming in with the real questions. I was so down to leave this as a “bro-science = But my receptors dawg” thread lol.is receptor sensitivity in regards to gear even a proven thing? would appreciate some science dropped on this (no broscience or anecdotes please)
AFAIK, no, there is no link between “receptors” (though, I am not sure what this means honestly) and too much gear use. The question become more hormones shifting down (such as Leptin and a few others that regulate homeostasis in the body) as mass is added on. As well as an uptick of myostatin (and likely other hormones) that starts to limit how much muscle mass can be added in a certain amount of time.
Granted, most of the studies (and therefore, scientific data) we have is based off of rat and sometimes cattle models, but AAS are not widely studied in humans at this time.
OP; 100mg would likely be enough to stop any potential loss in muscle mass if you are also lifting (with high intensity) and eating a high protein diet. Personally, I would suggest a bit higher, as 100mg/week would likely not put you in ideal levels of Total Testosterone and Free Testosterone in your blood. I would suggest 6-8 weeks of ~150mg/week, getting bloods around the 6 week mark to dial in your dosage, to prevent muscle mass.
Tbf though, 3 grams of gear is a bit ambiguous. Would want to know your general compounds used (specifically; how much test did you use? And what were the other compounds?) and what the esters were. 3g of Test Prop, NPP, and Tren A are much different than 3g of Test U, EQ, and Deca if you know what I mean.
Thank you for that reply bro that was exactly what I was wanting to hear. I actually switched to cyp since the ester is a bit longer and I can just jab once a week, but I’m not against going back to Test E at 150, seems like a great idea.DonaldPump" pid='60544' dateline='1562948589:
A bit uneven man (something link 750mg Test, 600mg Deca, 1200mg EQ rather than gram each) but not going to act like I have not done similar cycles that don’t make a ton of sense when you look back. The ol’ hindsight is 20/20; plus, we are here for risk prevention, not to lecture each other about gear use haha.DNPstoney" pid='60525' dateline='1562931075:
Yeah I get what you mean about the compounds bro, I was using Test E, Deca and EQ at a gram each, silly ass cycle for sure haha just an experimentappropionate" pid='60520' dateline='1562926697:
God damn man, appropionate coming in with the real questions. I was so down to leave this as a “bro-science = But my receptors dawg” thread lol.is receptor sensitivity in regards to gear even a proven thing? would appreciate some science dropped on this (no broscience or anecdotes please)
AFAIK, no, there is no link between “receptors” (though, I am not sure what this means honestly) and too much gear use. The question become more hormones shifting down (such as Leptin and a few others that regulate homeostasis in the body) as mass is added on. As well as an uptick of myostatin (and likely other hormones) that starts to limit how much muscle mass can be added in a certain amount of time.
Granted, most of the studies (and therefore, scientific data) we have is based off of rat and sometimes cattle models, but AAS are not widely studied in humans at this time.
OP; 100mg would likely be enough to stop any potential loss in muscle mass if you are also lifting (with high intensity) and eating a high protein diet. Personally, I would suggest a bit higher, as 100mg/week would likely not put you in ideal levels of Total Testosterone and Free Testosterone in your blood. I would suggest 6-8 weeks of ~150mg/week, getting bloods around the 6 week mark to dial in your dosage, to prevent muscle mass.
Tbf though, 3 grams of gear is a bit ambiguous. Would want to know your general compounds used (specifically; how much test did you use? And what were the other compounds?) and what the esters were. 3g of Test Prop, NPP, and Tren A are much different than 3g of Test U, EQ, and Deca if you know what I mean.
EQ and Deca are long esters. Meaning they likely won’t be out of your system for ~5 weeks after the end of your cycle.
My 2c: Drop Test E to ~150mg/week for 8 weeks. Around week 7, get bloodtest. What you want is Cholesterol, CMP, and Total Testosterone. That way, you can see what 150mg/week puts you at for future reference. If you are at 400ng/dl, you might want to increase it to 200mg/week. If you are at 1200ng/dl, you might want to decrease it to 100mg/weeek. A good goal point is ~800ng/dl with no AI needed.
Honestly, pretty much all studies on AAS have been on rats and cattle AFAIK, so we are all pretty much our own guinea pigs on how we react to certain compounds. The “standard” cruise is 4-8 weeks. This changes based on experience, willingness to blast, need to blast (time requirements), esters used, etc.
If, for what ever reason, you don’t want to or can’t get bloods, I would say drop down to 150mg/week of Test E for 8-12 weeks and then you would likely be good to go. Not perfect, not much (if any) data to back that up, but if you cruised (150mg/week Test E and that’s it, besides AI) for 2-3 months and were not able to get bloods, I would say you are good to go for blasting.
Cryp is a bit longer, but not much. IIRC; Test C is something like 2-5% longer than Test E.DNPstoney" pid='60548' dateline='1562949424:
Thank you for that reply bro that was exactly what I was wanting to hear. I actually switched to cyp since the ester is a bit longer and I can just jab once a week, but I’m not against going back to Test E at 150, seems like a great idea.DonaldPump" pid='60544' dateline='1562948589:
A bit uneven man (something link 750mg Test, 600mg Deca, 1200mg EQ rather than gram each) but not going to act like I have not done similar cycles that don’t make a ton of sense when you look back. The ol’ hindsight is 20/20; plus, we are here for risk prevention, not to lecture each other about gear use haha.DNPstoney" pid='60525' dateline='1562931075:
Yeah I get what you mean about the compounds bro, I was using Test E, Deca and EQ at a gram each, silly ass cycle for sure haha just an experimentappropionate" pid='60520' dateline='1562926697:
God damn man, appropionate coming in with the real questions. I was so down to leave this as a “bro-science = But my receptors dawg” thread lol.is receptor sensitivity in regards to gear even a proven thing? would appreciate some science dropped on this (no broscience or anecdotes please)
AFAIK, no, there is no link between “receptors” (though, I am not sure what this means honestly) and too much gear use. The question become more hormones shifting down (such as Leptin and a few others that regulate homeostasis in the body) as mass is added on. As well as an uptick of myostatin (and likely other hormones) that starts to limit how much muscle mass can be added in a certain amount of time.
Granted, most of the studies (and therefore, scientific data) we have is based off of rat and sometimes cattle models, but AAS are not widely studied in humans at this time.
OP; 100mg would likely be enough to stop any potential loss in muscle mass if you are also lifting (with high intensity) and eating a high protein diet. Personally, I would suggest a bit higher, as 100mg/week would likely not put you in ideal levels of Total Testosterone and Free Testosterone in your blood. I would suggest 6-8 weeks of ~150mg/week, getting bloods around the 6 week mark to dial in your dosage, to prevent muscle mass.
Tbf though, 3 grams of gear is a bit ambiguous. Would want to know your general compounds used (specifically; how much test did you use? And what were the other compounds?) and what the esters were. 3g of Test Prop, NPP, and Tren A are much different than 3g of Test U, EQ, and Deca if you know what I mean.
EQ and Deca are long esters. Meaning they likely won’t be out of your system for ~5 weeks after the end of your cycle.
My 2c: Drop Test E to ~150mg/week for 8 weeks. Around week 7, get bloodtest. What you want is Cholesterol, CMP, and Total Testosterone. That way, you can see what 150mg/week puts you at for future reference. If you are at 400ng/dl, you might want to increase it to 200mg/week. If you are at 1200ng/dl, you might want to decrease it to 100mg/weeek. A good goal point is ~800ng/dl with no AI needed.
Honestly, pretty much all studies on AAS have been on rats and cattle AFAIK, so we are all pretty much our own guinea pigs on how we react to certain compounds. The “standard” cruise is 4-8 weeks. This changes based on experience, willingness to blast, need to blast (time requirements), esters used, etc.
If, for what ever reason, you don’t want to or can’t get bloods, I would say drop down to 150mg/week of Test E for 8-12 weeks and then you would likely be good to go. Not perfect, not much (if any) data to back that up, but if you cruised (150mg/week Test E and that’s it, besides AI) for 2-3 months and were not able to get bloods, I would say you are good to go for blasting.
Why u say that? I have rounded shoulders just like that and I’m more ripped than him. His body looks a tad puffy to me even though he looks to be a decent size guy. He said he had way too many sides from 500 a week, which is where he started and regretted it and would start much lower if he could go back in time. I don’t know every single video he’s ever done but maybe he mixes in some orals… I couldn’t tell u that. You could be on 125mg of TRT AND do dbol every now and then to maintain the rounded shoulders. Mine tend to stay VERY round as long as I k3eep working them out non-stop. At one point they looked a bit comical so i laid off. I looked VERY un-natty. I hit shoulders for like 2 weeks straight because of a sore tendon in my bicep. His don’t look ridiculous by any means to me. He says he doesn’t take Tren as he’s not into drugs used for cattle.No way that dude maintains those boulder delts on 100mg per week of test. Maybe 100mg per week of tren…
I think you misunderstood his post. He was saying that he think it’s unlikely that he is able to maintain his physique with just 100mg/week of Test alone. You say you disagree with him, then go on to prove his point lol; you said he can maintain that size on 125mg/week Test (higher than initially stated) and some Dbol use.barneys" pid='60501' dateline='1562905334:
Why u say that? I have rounded shoulders just like that and I’m more ripped than him. His body looks a tad puffy to me even though he looks to be a decent size guy. He said he had way too many sides from 500 a week, which is where he started and regretted it and would start much lower if he could go back in time. I don’t know every single video he’s ever done but maybe he mixes in some orals… I couldn’t tell u that. You could be on 125mg of TRT AND do dbol every now and then to maintain the rounded shoulders. Mine tend to stay VERY round as long as I k3eep working them out non-stop. At one point they looked a bit comical so i laid off. I looked VERY un-natty. I hit shoulders for like 2 weeks straight because of a sore tendon in my bicep. His don’t look ridiculous by any means to me. He says he doesn’t take Tren as he’s not into drugs used for cattle.No way that dude maintains those boulder delts on 100mg per week of test. Maybe 100mg per week of tren…