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I have a question. Does anyone remember when he temporarily raised the minimum to like $500 a few weeks ago (maybe it was a month ago, can’t recall)? Isn’t that a bit odd now, in hindsight?
 

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EDIT** Oh and do NOT keep tracking these packages, especially from your own IP address......
in my experience (wont get into it, but lets just say ive had... 'run-ins' before), the IP thing doesn't
I have a question. Does anyone remember when he temporarily raised the minimum to like $500 a few weeks ago (maybe it was a month ago, can’t recall)? Isn’t that a bit odd now, in hindsight?
he did this in July also. around the 4th. it was back to normal after the weekend. I think he just did that to slow down the flow of orders while he shipped his out
 

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For the people who ordered before this happened say beginning of June, should we be worried about anything like changing addresses or getting a PO box for further orders from other sources?
I didn’t see this question asked when scrolling through the thread. If it was sorry to make anyone answer it again.
 

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For the people who ordered before this happened say beginning of June, should we be worried about anything like changing addresses or getting a PO box for further orders from other sources?
I didn’t see this question asked when scrolling through the thread. If it was sorry to make anyone answer it again.
i believe P.O. Boxes are still tired to your name in some form or fashion?

Hard to say if we should be worried or not since we don’t know what has happened since he went dark. Was this a sting/investigation? Was he just spooked? Who knows.

Lots of unknowns unfortunately.
 

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i believe P.O. Boxes are still tired to your name in some form or fashion?

Hard to say if we should be worried or not since we don’t know what has happened since he went dark. Was this a sting/investigation? Was he just spooked? Who knows.

Lots of unknowns unfortunately.
Yeah your right, from the looks of it something weird that definitely involves him getting spooked out. I doubt the people who ordered before all this need to worry but still a question I assumed should be asked. Probably best to order from a different source who isn’t tied to CL at all, syn tejas azteca viper. There’s a whole bunch. Still a little scary
 

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Yeah your right, from the looks of it something weird that definitely involves him getting spooked out. I doubt the people who ordered before all this need to worry but still a question I assumed should be asked. Probably best to order from a different source who isn’t tied to CL at all, syn tejas azteca viper. There’s a whole bunch. Still a little scary
It is a little scary. Makes ya think twice about ordering again or doing anything like this again. Hopefully we can get Ah update soon.
 

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So I had received a package on time 2 days before this post was put up... I hopped back on here to show my brother CL's menu and saw this announcement, this I thought quite odd and unfortunate. Then in hindsight I realized 2 things were a little peculiar about my order: 1) the payment address had changed, interesting. 2) The return address was different as well, also interesting. This being said, our man CL was definitely shook about something. I woud not expect a refund and just take the L (that's the name of the game, it is what it is) OR reach out and accept the help the other sources have so kindly offered. But don't complain, that won't make you product or money magically appear. If I was out some money, I would not even accept a refund whatsoever at this point. Small price to pay to stay safe. I've also read some of y'all's comments saying he dropped the ball consistently using the Redmond drop off, that is most definitely correct. It is never a good idea to stay in one location, learned this from my prior history in the streets. Better to be making moves than to be fucked off in the traphouse, same principle. If you're worried about the laws coming to your door, then you probably put your real name on the package. Why? If they came to your door asking about Mike Honcho and his mystery package, kindly tell then he doesn't live or come at your address.
 

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Ok so I know this has already been asked, but, should those of us who have missing packages out there actually be worried about potential legal trouble? They have my real name and my address, but why would they waste their time seeking out these small time buyers? I’ve spent about 100/150 a month the past few months. What do they gain? I don’t have the package in my possession so how would they even charge me or prove I ordered it? And these would have to be federal charges, correct? Because I live in a state where you’re free to walk around with Meth or Heroin if you choose. Be a damn shame if they actual sought out any action for buying fucking hormones. I digress…
 

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Ok so I know this has already been asked, but, should those of us who have missing packages out there actually be worried about potential legal trouble? They have my real name and my address, but why would they waste their time seeking out these small time buyers? I’ve spent about 100/150 a month the past few months. What do they gain? I don’t have the package in my possession so how would they even charge me or prove I ordered it? And these would have to be federal charges, correct? Because I live in a state where you’re free to walk around with Meth or Heroin if you choose. Be a damn shame if they actual sought out any action for buying fucking hormones. I digress…
I would not stress too much over it. If it was truly an operation they just want the distributor. Us pawns don’t provide them anything.
 

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Ok so I know this has already been asked, but, should those of us who have missing packages out there actually be worried about potential legal trouble? They have my real name and my address, but why would they waste their time seeking out these small time buyers? I’ve spent about 100/150 a month the past few months. What do they gain? I don’t have the package in my possession so how would they even charge me or prove I ordered it? And these would have to be federal charges, correct? Because I live in a state where you’re free to walk around with Meth or Heroin if you choose. Be a damn shame if they actual sought out any action for buying fucking hormones. I digress…

I mean u ever wonder how many silent members here are feds that keep ordering small quantities until the source slips up?

They dont want the small guy they want the source. I wouldn't be worried unless u placed a massive order that went missing.
 

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FWIW, they can certainly can go after customers. In theory. But, in theory they can do alot of things.

In reality, police departments are capacity and resource constrained and very often there needs to be a payoff in pursuing some lead. In terms of pursuing a drug supplier, there's often hundreds of thousands (or perhaps millions) of potential funds they stand to gain through forfeiture that they can use to beef up their department. So they'll allocate some semblance of resources towards pursuing that lead

Conversely, theres no payoff in investing resources to go after the guy who ordered 50$ of winny. On the streets and IRL theres little overhead in pursuing a suspect, but to establish a virtual investigation is a totally diff thing. Very unlikely.
 

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in my experience (wont get into it, but lets just say ive had... 'run-ins' before), the IP thing doesn't

he did this in July also. around the 4th. it was back to normal after the weekend. I think he just did that to slow down the flow of orders while he shipped his out
Doesn't what?
Can you elaborate more, I am definitely looking for more info on this. If your pack, with your name and address, gets caught in the net they threw to bring down CL, what would you recommend the person do? No more gear?

For those that have had a domestic pack nabbed, did LE ever show up at your door? I'd imagine they are looking for raw deliveries, or large quantities of pills, or anything that gives the "this is heading to a dealer" vibe.

Are the people who have a missing CL order putting others at risk by ordering more shit? Are they helping building a case against themselves by ordering more shit? Should one take their gear box and burry it in the back yard?

Would be hilarious if I avoid illicit drugs my entire life, and get fucked on my first cycle, by a few vials of test.
 

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Tried to email CL couple minutes ago……messages wouldn’t send as the email doesn’t exist. Hope all is well. Seems that I lost some money 😭
Yeah dude if email is no longer working and site is shut down Money and he probably got raided by the feds on like August 27 he stopped all sales because he had to stock up I bet you that's when something happened..sucks cause Is a great person to do business with very responsive I never had a problem with him
 

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most of the times they dont even bother looking @ customer lists. unless they suspect secondary distribution stream and want to pursue that etc

hell they rarely look at most of the evidence even when they do nab the perp - just enough to see what kind of leverage they have on the case. usually they're satisfied ones they get their payload, then they offer the offender some bullshit plea agreement (which involves them forfeiting mostly all of their criminal proceeds), 9/10x he takes the plea, and theres nothing further for LE to do except sit back, reap the forfeiture, and close the case
 

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Do you know when he stopped taking packages to USPS?


Can anyone speak to how safe his client list is?
I dont think there is any client list mate . we really dont save any personal info . emails are deleted after an order ships and no records are kept . CL had an exit plan . The minute he want dark rest assured his hard drive was wiped and anything else incriminating was smoked within minutes. I dont think this is about him directly. If anything it would be his shipper that would have to worry in a position like that. If you were one of the people who lost a pack I wouldn't worry . Be on point and prepared just in case . I would lay low for a while. If your going to order use a different address
 

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This isn't entirely factual. International "love letters" come from customs. Domestic "love letters" come from USPIS(US Postal Inspection Service), and very likely people will start getting them in regards to these packages.

1. They need probable cause to open packages, which will be easy to get, in this situation.
2. Even without probable cause, they send letters that basically say "we have a package with your address on it and we believe it contains something non mailable/controlled substance etc" They basically give you 21 days to claim it/appeal it, and if not it will be considered "abandoned mail" and handled via their protocol. Obviously do not do this lol

EDIT** Oh and do NOT keep tracking these packages, especially from your own IP address......
EDIT** Oh and do NOT keep tracking these packages, especially from your own IP address......

Good point . This is something that shouldnt have to be said. Unfortunately it does . I still have loads of customers that contact me from gmail and yahoo emails . Even some long standing members. If you need to track a package at the very least you should be using a vpn. TOR, VPN and use a tracking app like parcalapp or track17 . Do not use usps website
 

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Hey @Pharmahgh I just wanted to say that you are one of the most stand up sources here besides Colonial and although ive only ever made one or two orders from you I can tell that you truly care about the members and forum in general. Keep us updated if you gain any new insight on CL 🙏

Edit: Just read the update on Colonial, God Bless! Hope hes ok.
Thank you mate . Of course I will def keep you in the loop if I hear anything else , Although Im thinking thats probably the last we will hear from CL . If something did happen , which it def looks that way, I would want as much distance as possible
 

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Have you tried having better bloods? If your levels don't read "Dallas", no credit.

If your bloods are better than Capts, no credit (It's true, but pillow talk is inadmissible so he'll deny it.)

If anyone is waiting for a pack your best bet IMO is to keep all the proof of order info and payment and either plead for mercy from one of the above sources that said they might lend a hand or wait and see if CL comes back to make you right. Other than that, it's the name of the game and I'd just be happy you're only out the cash. All about perspective sometimes.
Good point .We are offering a big discount to any of the guys who did loose a package . However that being said, you will need to prove you placed the order somehow, just in case any of the oppertunist want to try . And they will try.
please be prepared to use a different address.
 

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Crazy that CL is gone he was my go to for many years now, I believe he came on the scene right before the pandemic, and he only shipped from 20 minutes from my house. No more same day deliveries! But I have been a member on here for quite some time now.

I feel as all sources that are here are great, and have something to bring to the table. I have ordered from almost all of them!
 

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I have a question. Does anyone remember when he temporarily raised the minimum to like $500 a few weeks ago (maybe it was a month ago, can’t recall)? Isn’t that a bit odd now, in hindsight?
I ordered from CL when the min was raised to $500 and actually spent well over that amount and all my product showed up on time. It was not a exit scam.
 
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