Considering my first blast in February. Came here for help

[xrayphoton]

Hey, just joined the forum. 38 years old. Some backstory about me, my wife and I were trying for a baby for a while with no luck. I ended up seeing a doc and found out I was the problem. Very low test level and very low sperm count. No wonder I could never make much progress in the gym. Luckily he was on top of it and got me on testosterone cream and hcg. Within 3 months my wife was pregnant! I've been cruising for half a year now but stopped the hcg after my wife got pregnant because I feel better without it. I currently apply 1 dose in the morning but when I first started the doc had me applying 2 doses in the morning and 1 in the afternoon. We tested after 6 weeks and that had my total t at 3300ng/dl and free t at 90 ng/dl so we lowered the dose. I'm currently at 180 lbs 17% bf but planning to hit 160 lbs 10% bf by February and then start a good bulk. I'm probably just planning to do that original dose of test cream for my first cycle since labs seemed pretty good but I'm also considering adding primobolin, maybe not for my first cycle but definitely for the second and since I work out in my garage and not a gym, I'm going to need help figuring out how to source it.
Thanks everyone for any advice you can offer. I know most people don't do the cream route but I really do enjoy the flexibility of it. It will be interesting to see if it stacks well with injections. I've tried to do some research on labs and I know with injections you test at trough which is opposite of the cream but I'm guessing if my levels were at 3300ng/dl that that's equivalent to 400-500mg test cyp?

 

[Deucalion]

Was the 3300 result with hcg and 2 doses of the cream? If so how much hcg? Also, how long after the 3300 did they retest you using 1 dose of cream and results for that?
Really hard to tell if 2 doses of the cream would be equivalent to a specific mg of injectable test.

Welcome, you can look under the US and EU tabs for sources for primo etc. If you managed e2 sides well those 6 weeks your test was at 3300, I would start a test cycle like you kind of plan but if you would want to throw in another compound it may be unnecessary buttttt, if you really want to you already know how high test effects you soooooo.

Since you are using cream though, you really need to know where your test is sitting given your dosages, imagine adding in primo and tanking your e2 because a double dose of test cream isn't upping your T to 3300 like before....

 

[xrayphoton]

Was the 3300 result with hcg and 2 doses of the cream? If so how much hcg? Also, how long after the 3300 did they retest you using 1 dose of cream and results for that?
Really hard to tell if 2 doses of the cream would be equivalent to a specific mg of injectable test.

Welcome, you can look under the US and EU tabs for sources for primo etc. If you managed e2 sides well those 6 weeks your test was at 3300, I would start a test cycle like you kind of plan but if you would want to throw in another compound it may be unnecessary buttttt, if you really want to you already know how high test effects you so.

Since you are using cream though, you really need to know where your test is sitting given your dosages, imagine adding in primo and tanking your e2 because a double dose of test cream isn't upping your T to 3300 like before....

The 3300 was with no hcg. He had me go just cream first to dial in the dose before adding hcg. I have yet to do labs on the lower dose. I don't have a lab test until next month. I did not check e2 at the high dose and did not have any symptoms of high e2. A little bit of anxiety was my only side

 

[Deucalion]

The 3300 was with no hcg. He had me go just cream first to dial in the dose before adding hcg. I have yet to do labs on the lower dose. I don't have a lab test until next month. I did not check e2 at the high dose and did not have any symptoms of high e2. A little bit of anxiety was my only side

Ah, I see. I think these results next month should give you some really good insight into what to do next as far as compounds. Definitely check an estrogen level if you can, you don't want it too high or low...
Then of course the basics, have an AI on hand, I would always have a bp medication on hand but that is me, consider donating blood depending on hgb, hct, rbc, and watch cholesterol! Good luck on your journey!

Pure curiosity though, why cut so hard 20lbs down to 10% bf in 2 months ~ what is your height? Why not cut now moderately, get your labs, start cycle/bulking right after, and then cut at the end of your cycle to look snazzy for summer?

 

[xrayphoton]

Ah, I see. I think these results next month should give you some really good insight into what to do next as far as compounds. Definitely check an estrogen level if you can, you don't want it too high or low...
Then of course the basics, have an AI on hand, I would always have a bp medication on hand but that is me, consider donating blood depending on hgb, hct, rbc, and watch cholesterol! Good luck on your journey!

Pure curiosity though, why cut so hard 20lbs down to 10% bf in 2 months ~ what is your height? Why not cut now moderately, get your labs, start cycle/bulking right after, and then cut at the end of your cycle to look snazzy for summer?

I'll definitely add an e2 test and have an AI. My PCP has me scheduled for lipids/cholesterol in June so I'd like to be done with the cycle a few weeks before then.

I'm 5'9" and as for the cut my favorite trainer always told me it's best to cut to 10% bf and then bulk to 15% and repeat. I'll consider that though. I'd at least like to lose another 10 lbs before starting. My abs are just becoming visible at the top and middle but not at the bottom

 

[Deucalion]

I'll definitely add an e2 test and have an AI. My PCP has me scheduled for lipids/cholesterol in June so I'd like to be done with the cycle a few weeks before then.

I'm 5'9" and as for the cut my favorite trainer always told me it's best to cut to 10% bf and then bulk to 15% and repeat. I'll consider that though. I'd at least like to lose another 10 lbs before starting. My abs are just becoming visible at the top and middle but not at the bottom

I understand, and if that works for you 100%. I know you probably have a lot of timing obligations since you want your blast to be well over before getting anther set of labs done, so they don't lower your cruise dose. I would see where you are at on your cut though when you get your labs next month.

 

[xrayphoton]

I understand, and if that works for you 100%. I know you probably have a lot of timing obligations since you want your blast to be well over before getting anther set of labs done, so they don't lower your cruise dose. I would see where you are at on your cut though when you get your labs next month.

You nailed it. Thanks. I'll do that

 

[808allday]

What’s the pct protocol for a woman’s first anavar cycle? Also should she be taking anything else with it? This will be her first cycle ever

 

[xrayphoton]

What’s the pct protocol for a woman’s first anavar cycle? Also should she be taking anything else with it? This will be her first cycle ever

I'm not sure but interestingly enough I was listening to Broderick Chavez yesterday who is a huge steroid guru and he believes the best PCT is no PCT. He says you should just stop the steroids cold Turkey and allow the body to recover naturally with no interference. Thats usually considered blasphemy in most steroid groups

 

[Deucalion]

What’s the pct protocol for a woman’s first anavar cycle? Also should she be taking anything else with it? This will be her first cycle ever

Women are strange bro their androgen hormones are 50/50 adrenal/ovaries of course then you have a lot of peripheral aromatization so even when 100% suppressed women still naturally make ~50% of their own sex hormones, whereas when men are 100% suppressed our adrenals only account for 5%.

I would google a women's anavar cycle to see if you would want to run something else, possibly prohormone idk though? I have heard that tapering doses and no real pct is best for women though, it doesn't have the same insane HIT a man would take physically or mentally since men would have to wait for 95% of their natural hormones to come back while having aromatization working against us.

I'm not sure but interestingly enough I was listening to Broderick Chavez yesterday who is a huge steroid guru and he believes the best PCT is no PCT. He says you should just stop the steroids cold Turkey and allow the body to recover naturally with no interference. Thats usually considered blasphemy in most steroid groups

That is blasphemy haha, for men anyway. You are going to lose all your gains and feel like shit for weeks. PCTing men already have a huge potential to feel like shit ED etc. I couldn't even imagine cold turkey....

 

[PCTAccount]

My recommendation is to ease into it. Maybe consider a performance enhancement protocol vs a "blast" ; this will give you greater insight, adjustable networking metrics, and a much broader variety of understanding when looking at moving into what may be considered a "blast"

What does this equate to? Order a vial of Testosterone C or E, and a package of proviron. See how slowly adjusting your testosterone dosage upwards with the inclusion of a SHBG freeing oral like proviron works. Play around with that equation for a while and get a broader spectrum of environmental equation, do your research, observe your variables. Log your progress, your goals, pick up the slack where it matters. The grocery store, the meal prep, the sets and reps. Aim for realistic long term improvement that you'll be able to apply to this theorized "blast" - then ask yourself if you're happy 4/6/8/10/12 weeks into your new enhancement protocol. From there, decide if it's even worth the risk vs. reward. Look at all the doors you've opened up with reasonable long term enhancement. Is "blasting" something you can handle adding in? Will it be worth it? Sometimes the answer is yes. This isn't always true. Sometimes it's a win/lose/win, and you have to recoupe your losses afterwards. These are huge considerations that have to be made, and fully understood. With that being said, the next move would be Masteron, or Deca, paired with test. 200/200 or 300/200, weekly, for 8 weeks - something of the sort. I strongly recommend slowly upping your testosterone first, and trying something that can be adjusted in a daily variable - like proviron.



PCT

 

[PCTAccount]

What’s the pct protocol for a woman’s first anavar cycle? Also should she be taking anything else with it? This will be her first cycle ever

Anavar isn't always the best option for a first cycle. Sometimes a little bit of testosterone is all that's needed. I can see the argument for anavar though, especially being it involves no needles.

For a first cycle, expect mild and slow results that will truly shine paired with hard work. I'd recommend in this case 6 weeks, and it's extended length is because of the titration principal being followed. Noticeable results may not compound until a full week, and things won't be in full swing until week 3 with the underlined principle I am about to register.

Ancillary supplements are an important consideration. A diet that supports health is always recommended. Things to be wary of with anavar are lipid profile and liver values. A diet rich in fiber is recommended. Liver support like milk thistle can be utilized as well. A multivitamin, fish oil, and a diet that has adequate protein and hydration intake to promote recovery will also be necessary.

I will personally recommend and testify to the quality of @BioPharmaUSA "Lady Anavar"

Once again I'd like to reiterate that this dosing protocol is to promote health, very little side effects, and maximum compound utility. This isn't a "blast" or "mutation" cycle. This type of cycle will have accessible results that can be earned, kept, and worked hard for. The maximum benefit is achieved half way through the cycle, and kept for the ladder half.

You may have to split tablets or concoct a solution to achieve the recommended doses.

Week 1: 2.5mg 3x per day.
Week 2: 5mg 3x per day.
Week 3-5. 10mg 2x per day
Week 6 10mg 3x per day (or optionally stay at 2x daily)

For simplicity sake, and to have a "quicker effect" while still adhering to respectable dosing principles for a first woman's anavar cycle, along with my having recommended @BioPharmaUSA you could dose as such

Week 1: 12.5mg
Week 2: 25mg
Week 3-6: 37.5mg


I'm only going to reiterate again. Steroids aren't a game for some random person to try and chike spike in on. It's a sophisticated chemical and biological science that has to be earned, alongside nutrition and exercise science... Things that take TIME. It's not some "script" for a meth addict computer eyeball to spout on replay. It's not a joke. Not a game. Steroids are dangerous and can be deadly if not used responsibly.


I'm faithfully assuming that the woman you're referring to has workout experience, knowledge of diet, and adheres to these principles.

 

[jumdumpster]

3300 on test gel?? what the hell
like the other guy said you kinda already know how high test feels, you could go back up to maybe 500 test c and maybe throw in var at like 50mg

 

[RasputinOP]

I'm not sure but interestingly enough I was listening to Broderick Chavez yesterday who is a huge steroid guru and he believes the best PCT is no PCT. He says you should just stop the steroids cold Turkey and allow the body to recover naturally with no interference. Thats usually considered blasphemy in most steroid groups

When talking about healthy for the body? Yea it definitely is healthier to not take compounds to influence your HPTA. The problem is potentially spending months and months with bottomed out test and losing the gains that you just took steroids for 3-4 months to get.

That said I have no idea if this applies to women. I know absolutely nothing about female endocrinology.

 

[RasputinOP]

Anavar isn't always the best option for a first cycle. Sometimes a little bit of testosterone is all that's needed. I can see the argument for anavar though, especially being it involves no needles.

For a first cycle, expect mild and slow results that will truly shine paired with hard work. I'd recommend in this case 6 weeks, and it's extended length is because of the titration principal being followed. Noticeable results may not compound until a full week, and things won't be in full swing until week 3 with the underlined principle I am about to register.

Ancillary supplements are an important consideration. A diet that supports health is always recommended. Things to be wary of with anavar are lipid profile and liver values. A diet rich in fiber is recommended. Liver support like milk thistle can be utilized as well. A multivitamin, fish oil, and a diet that has adequate protein and hydration intake to promote recovery will also be necessary.

I will personally recommend and testify to the quality of @BioPharmaUSA "Lady Anavar"

Once again I'd like to reiterate that this dosing protocol is to promote health, very little side effects, and maximum compound utility. This isn't a "blast" or "mutation" cycle. This type of cycle will have accessible results that can be earned, kept, and worked hard for. The maximum benefit is achieved half way through the cycle, and kept for the ladder half.

You may have to split tablets or concoct a solution to achieve the recommended doses.

Week 1: 2.5mg 3x per day.
Week 2: 5mg 3x per day.
Week 3-5. 10mg 2x per day
Week 6 10mg 3x per day (or optionally stay at 2x daily)

For simplicity sake, and to have a "quicker effect" while still adhering to respectable dosing principles for a first woman's anavar cycle, along with my having recommended @BioPharmaUSA you could dose as such

Week 1: 12.5mg
Week 2: 25mg
Week 3-6: 37.5mg


I'm only going to reiterate again. Steroids aren't a game for some random person to try and chike spike in on. It's a sophisticated chemical and biological science that has to be earned, alongside nutrition and exercise science... Things that take TIME. It's not some "script" for a meth addict computer eyeball to spout on replay. It's not a joke. Not a game. Steroids are dangerous and can be deadly if not used responsibly.


I'm faithfully assuming that the woman you're referring to has workout experience, knowledge of diet, and adheres to these principles.

Holy shit do women actually use up to 37.5mg of anavar? I havent tried it yet but thats a dose I would start out with lol.

 

[PCTAccount]

Holy shit do women actually use up to 37.5mg of anavar? I havent tried it yet but thats a dose I would start out with lol.

That would be the peak dose of acclimating effect. 25mg would suffice as well. I'm trying to provide a guideline for a good cycle. Please note that the protocol I articulated earlier in the post is of a lower dose, and lower accumulative total. Thanks.

 

[PCTAccount]

I'll post again to fill in the gaps... If you're looking for a light shine in.... 5mg is really all you'll need as a woman.

For hormonal effect of androgen replacement? As little as 1mg.


What I described above in my earlier post is a bodybuilder/athletic performance cycle that won't disappoint...

 

[808allday]

Anavar isn't always the best option for a first cycle. Sometimes a little bit of testosterone is all that's needed. I can see the argument for anavar though, especially being it involves no needles.

For a first cycle, expect mild and slow results that will truly shine paired with hard work. I'd recommend in this case 6 weeks, and it's extended length is because of the titration principal being followed. Noticeable results may not compound until a full week, and things won't be in full swing until week 3 with the underlined principle I am about to register.

Ancillary supplements are an important consideration. A diet that supports health is always recommended. Things to be wary of with anavar are lipid profile and liver values. A diet rich in fiber is recommended. Liver support like milk thistle can be utilized as well. A multivitamin, fish oil, and a diet that has adequate protein and hydration intake to promote recovery will also be necessary.

I will personally recommend and testify to the quality of @BioPharmaUSA "Lady Anavar"

Once again I'd like to reiterate that this dosing protocol is to promote health, very little side effects, and maximum compound utility. This isn't a "blast" or "mutation" cycle. This type of cycle will have accessible results that can be earned, kept, and worked hard for. The maximum benefit is achieved half way through the cycle, and kept for the ladder half.

You may have to split tablets or concoct a solution to achieve the recommended doses.

Week 1: 2.5mg 3x per day.
Week 2: 5mg 3x per day.
Week 3-5. 10mg 2x per day
Week 6 10mg 3x per day (or optionally stay at 2x daily)

For simplicity sake, and to have a "quicker effect" while still adhering to respectable dosing principles for a first woman's anavar cycle, along with my having recommended @BioPharmaUSA you could dose as such

Week 1: 12.5mg
Week 2: 25mg
Week 3-6: 37.5mg


I'm only going to reiterate again. Steroids aren't a game for some random person to try and chike spike in on. It's a sophisticated chemical and biological science that has to be earned, alongside nutrition and exercise science... Things that take TIME. It's not some "script" for a meth addict computer eyeball to spout on replay. It's not a joke. Not a game. Steroids are dangerous and can be deadly if not used responsibly.


I'm faithfully assuming that the woman you're referring to has workout experience, knowledge of diet, and adheres to these principles.

Should a woman post cycle the same way as a man? What would u recommend when coming off for woman

 

[808allday]

I could kind of understand that logic of no pct for woman but for men he’ll naw. I need my shit returning sooner than later lol

Women are strange bro their androgen hormones are 50/50 adrenal/ovaries of course then you have a lot of peripheral aromatization so even when 100% suppressed women still naturally make ~50% of their own sex hormones, whereas when men are 100% suppressed our adrenals only account for 5%.

I would google a women's anavar cycle to see if you would want to run something else, possibly prohormone idk though? I have heard that tapering doses and no real pct is best for women though, it doesn't have the same insane HIT a man would take physically or mentally since men would have to wait for 95% of their natural hormones to come back while having aromatization working against us.


That is blasphemy haha, for men anyway. You are going to lose all your gains and feel like shit for weeks. PCTing men already have a huge potential to feel like shit ED etc. I couldn't even imagine cold turkey....

 

[PCTAccount]

Should a woman post cycle the same way as a man? What would u recommend when coming off for woman

I would still recommend clomiphene or enclomiphene administration. This is a very touchy subject. I think having clomiphene in the medicine cupboard should be a staple for any womans health. Just in the right amounts though. It's also a great quality of life enhancement therapy for regulating menstrual cycles. It's original intended purpose.