Convince me to start tren

[hippy]

Hey fuckers I’m being a pussy. Somebody
Convince me to start this shit. I’d end up
Going with Sparta since all his oil has been good to me.
Also, tren E? Seems so much easier just having to pin
Twice a week with my test. But I know there’s a discrepancy
over E vs A. What do you guys think

 

[cmlaracy]

Going to go the opposite way and say you dont need Tren and all the shit and sides that come along with it. It’s nuerotoxic and you can get similar results from other combinations. Nandrolone/Masteron, or my personal favorite, DHB/var or DHB/Trest, with the latter actually being way way stronger than tren, as trest alone is as strong if not stronger than tren, and is very well studied due to the medical industry looking into it as a male contraceptive for a while a few years back.

tren ace only seems more powerful because it kicks in faster… and because of the smaller ester, more of the total weight of the compound is actually tren. If you were going to run 700mg ace, you’d want to run around 800mg tren E to match its potency to account for the weight of the enanthate ester vs acetate ester.

 

[Dreadlifts]

hippy" pid='51283' dateline='1556891454:

Hey fuckers I’m being a pussy. Somebody
Convince me to start this shit. I’d end up
Going with Sparta since all his oil has been good to me.
Also, tren E? Seems so much easier just having to pin
Twice a week with my test. But I know there’s a discrepancy
over E vs A. What do you guys think

Go with ace. Try 40-50mg ed for 2 weeks. If you feel fine go another week. Then another, etc. If you don’t feel good the shorter ester will clear your system faster. Recommend keeping test low, some people suggest a 2:1 Tren/Test ratio.

 

[yelruP]

Don’t run tren if you don’t want to. The sides can be pretty shit, but if you’re going to run it start with tren ace at 140-210mg a week. You don’t need much tren for results, don’t listen to the people who say otherwise

 

[Allstar1233]

If you need convincing, dont do it.

 

[MattMatt93]

Tren Sides are blown WAY out of proportion. Yes at 700mg+ a week they will be very noticeable but you can make fantastic progress in the 400-500mg range where the sides a less “intense” IME. If you are contemplating using a compound and making a thread asking people to convince you to take tren means you fall very easy for peer pressure. My advice, PCT and stay natty pussy.

 

[hippy]

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Going to go the opposite way and say you dont need Tren and all the shit and sides that come along with it. It’s nuerotoxic and you can get similar results from other combinations. Nandrolone/Masteron, or my personal favorite, DHB/var or DHB/Trest, with the latter actually being way way stronger than tren, as trest alone is as strong if not stronger than tren, and is very well studied due to the medical industry looking into it as a male contraceptive for a while a few years back.

tren ace only seems more powerful because it kicks in faster… and because of the smaller ester, more of the total weight of the compound is actually tren. If you were going to run 700mg ace, you’d want to run around 800mg tren E to match its potency to account for the weight of the enanthate ester vs acetate ester.

Awesome! Thanks for the insight that’s good to hear. Is winter the only source here that has trest?

 

[nlite2k]

I’m on my first run with tren E, 200mg with 175 Test.

I think I’ve stumbled onto a really good dosage with great results and no sides other than feeling awesome. I suppose a bad side effect is extremely high libido and some questionable decision on pornhub. Dry, stronger, leaner every day eating a touch under maintenance. I’m about to finish week 4, so maybe I’m jumping the gun on what the results/sides will be, but I don’t think so.

In general I think I’ve discovered that the only cycle I’m interested in going forward is Test at a low enough dosage that I don’t need an AI + a non-aromatizing compound.

I could see Tren being a bad idea if I wanted to GFH because I’m having a tough time even getting to maintenance, the appetite blunting is real, for me anyway.

 

[cmlaracy]

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cmlaracy" pid='51286' dateline='1556892227:

Going to go the opposite way and say you dont need Tren and all the shit and sides that come along with it. It’s nuerotoxic and you can get similar results from other combinations. Nandrolone/Masteron, or my personal favorite, DHB/var or DHB/Trest, with the latter actually being way way stronger than tren, as trest alone is as strong if not stronger than tren, and is very well studied due to the medical industry looking into it as a male contraceptive for a while a few years back.

tren ace only seems more powerful because it kicks in faster… and because of the smaller ester, more of the total weight of the compound is actually tren. If you were going to run 700mg ace, you’d want to run around 800mg tren E to match its potency to account for the weight of the enanthate ester vs acetate ester.

Awesome! Thanks for the insight that’s good to hear. Is winter the only source here that has trest?

Trest, due to the price, is the only thing I go international for. Everything else I stay domestic. PPL’s trest ace is fire and half the price of any domestic trest.

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I’m on my first run with tren E, 200mg with 175 Test.

I think I’ve stumbled onto a really good dosage with great results and no sides other than feeling awesome. I suppose a bad side effect is extremely high libido and some questionable decision on pornhub. Dry, stronger, leaner every day eating a touch under maintenance. I’m about to finish week 4, so maybe I’m jumping the gun on what the results/sides will be, but I don’t think so.

In general I think I’ve discovered that the only cycle I’m interested in going forward is Test at a low enough dosage that I don’t need an AI + a non-aromatizing compound.

I could see Tren being a bad idea if I wanted to GFH because I’m having a tough time even getting to maintenance, the appetite blunting is real, for me anyway.

In that case, try out my favorite stack that doesn’t need an AI. TRT test, 400-600mg DHB/ 50-75mg anavar. You can push the anavar to 100mg but with good var it’s really not necessary to go past 75mg. Both the DHB and anavar burn fat really well aiding in recomping, they hold mass really well for cutting, and DHB can throw on some serious mass for bulking. Very versatile and no AI needed. Also, it has quite a good cosmetic look due to the DHB dryness/vascularity and fullness from the var. Also no water weight because no aromatization, keeps you nice and tight.

Just watch your hematocrit on the DHB. Take Naringin and grapefruit seed extract and you’ll be fine.

 

[nlite2k]

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In that case, try out my favorite stack that doesn’t need an AI. TRT test, 400-600mg DHB/ 50-75mg anavar. You can push the anavar to 100mg but with good var it’s really not necessary to go past 75mg. Both the DHB and anavar burn fat really well aiding in recomping, they hold mass really well for cutting, and DHB can throw on some serious mass for bulking. Very versatile and no AI needed. Also, it has quite a good cosmetic look due to the DHB dryness/vascularity and fullness from the var. Also no water weight because no aromatization, keeps you nice and tight.

Just watch your hematocrit on the DHB. Take Naringin and grapefruit seed extract and you’ll be fine.

Forgot to add before that I’m also on 50mg a day of Var, which might I might be underrating on account of the Tren. The pumps are borderline a problem at 50, so I wouldn’t want to go any higher. I’ve found it to be great, life changing even, in the 3-5 rep range, but I respond well to drop sets/rest pause type stuff when on gear and it’s almost a no go. Like, I have strength left but another high rep set is just gonna be too painful. All I’m really missing out on is a nice pump for when I walk out of the gym, I guess. Strength gains have been redonk and strength=muscle, in my experience. My working theory atm is that this is one of the reasons that people say Anavar is good for a cut, not much else.

Will research DHB, it sounds great, and planning cycles is half the fun.

 

[mesologgi]

IMO blasting tren depends a lot in what mental state you are now. I mean I’ve run tren 600mg with a stable relationship, job etc and it got the job done very well and it was tolerable. I’ve run the same stack when i broke up with my gf and it amplified all the negative stuff in my mind by 100x.

Later i run 800mg and it went smooth as it gets with tren cause i had everything in order in my life.

Positive stuff: it’ll make your physique transform. You become dryer n dryer every day. You probably gonna look like another man with it. It also “forgives” more diet missteps. Strength through the roof.
It also gives me a more manly attitude.

Semi positive stuff: it makes you horny as fuck but not in a test proviron loving kinda way. It makes you an animal, you dont want to just fuck. You wanna sodomize that girl. It also makes me last a loooot longer. The best reactions after sex I got from girls where on tren blasts. The tren dick is no joke. Also on tren fucking a tranny is something that keeps coming in my mind lol.

Bad stuff: the sleep. It wrecks you slowly but surely. That and having unstable life fucks you up.

 

[Ayylmao]

Tren my favorite, only steroid I actually feel I get “roid rage” on though nothing uncontrollable just feel I’m irritated more easily

 

[appropionate]

having run every ester of tren at one point, it’s not worth it unless you’re competing in bodybuilding. no lasting gains either, purely cosmetic and ‘undeserved’ insofar gym gains magically come at no effort no matter how shitty your sleep or diet, but you pay for it in sleep and life quality.

some get all the sides, some get none, those posting sides are overblown are amazingly unable to grasp the concept of different people being affected differently by things in life

 

[MattMatt93]

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some get all the sides, some get none, those posting sides are overblown are amazingly unable to grasp the concept of different people being affected differently by things in life

Valid point about the side effects. Being the smart man that you are,IF you are going through that different/drastic/negative/unhealthy way of life, Maybe the shouldn’t take a compound like Tren. Can’t blame the AAS for everything.

 

[Swole_Guacamole]

1. no difference between ester. after running both I prefer enanthate because fuck ED or EOD pins. feel like a damn pincushion, only benefit is acetate peaks fast. I personally like 1-2 weeks of acetate to peak then enanthate to continue once at peak
2. tren isn’t worth it, especially if it throws off your sleep/training/diet. there’s so many more quality compounds like masteron, mk677, gh and anavar that make you actually feel good AND look good

 

[appropionate]

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I personally like 1-2 weeks of acetate to peak then enanthate to continue once at peak

when are you starting the enanthate in this scenario? the only way I can think of that this creates stable levels at faster saturation is starting A and E at the same time and slowly decreasing the A for the first 3-4 weeks while increasing the E in a really meticulous, steroigraph based injection schedule since the E itself would take 4 weeks to saturate, no matter when you start it.

 

[alphaproject]

Exactly my thoughts… so many negatives to Tren. It’s not even meant for humans. At least you can say certain positives about nearly all of the other steroids that had been developed for positive reasons. Even low dose Deca is good for joints, muscle wasting prevention. Dbol - nice round look, etc… I even liked Tbol.
The Dbol/Masteron combo is nice. The sides of Dbol are taken away with the Masteron and I think you can look just as good on Masteron without the negatives that Tren gives you. If Tren makes you look really grainy like the guys on stage in this era, no thanks. The Golden Era looked much better IMO. Arnold’s muscles and his entire era looked like they had full, glowing muscles that would shred mostly when flexed. Guys now just walk around with non-stop flex mode practically but they don’t look healthy at all.
I know he used Dbol, Primo and Test. I am not sure what else. I’m not even sure what they used as AI back then.

 

[superawesomename]

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Exactly my thoughts… so many negatives to Tren. It’s not even meant for humans. At least you can say certain positives about nearly all of the other steroids that had been developed for positive reasons. Even low dose Deca is good for joints, muscle wasting prevention. Dbol - nice round look, etc… I even liked Tbol.
The Dbol/Masteron combo is nice. The sides of Dbol are taken away with the Masteron and I think you can look just as good on Masteron without the negatives that Tren gives you. If Tren makes you look really grainy like the guys on stage in this era, no thanks. The Golden Era looked much better IMO. Arnold’s muscles and his entire era looked like they had full, glowing muscles that would shred mostly when flexed. Guys now just walk around with non-stop flex mode practically but they don’t look healthy at all.
I know he used Dbol, Primo and Test. I am not sure what else. I’m not even sure what they used as AI back then.

I can appreciate where you’re coming from, absolutely. I feel like times are still changing though. For a little while there we were in a period where all people cared about was mass, but with all the new physique divisions opening up I think it’s really starting to turn back into an aesthetics-focused game, as opposed to straight size. I also like to think that @“appropionate” hit the nail on the head in how every one can respond drastically differently, and I really believe that if you do your own research there shouldn’t be much cause for concern. All these different compounds are really just tools in our arsenal to achieve our goals easier, and I think that it’s just a matter of finding what works for you and running with it.

Too many people want others in the gym or online to tell them how to run their experiment, but just like science class you really need to do the work. I do agree though that certain compounds tend to bring on certain aesthetics, and I dig how some guys want to stay away from certain things because it may hinder their aesthetic, even though it may make the work a bit easier.

 

[alphaproject]

It does seem like the seasoned guys on here tell you to stay away from Tren though. Too many ups and downs with mood/anxiety/night sweats/sleep. That’s too many sides for me to even care about trying it. If I can’t sleep chances of me wanting to go to the gym are out the window. But… if you are good with it, more power to you.

 

[Primobro]

I think you should fuckin do it, then decide if you can handle the sides. Tren is just an awesome drug, mind blowing how powerful it is. The key is, and this applies to all compounds in my opinion, to start low and with the fastest acting ester possible so that you can jump off and have it leave your system faster if you encounter bad sides. Trest and DHB are newer to me and I haven’t found a sweet spot with either one so I wouldn’t personally advocate either of those over tren. No other drug makes me feel like I do with tren.