Critique my up coming cycle babes

[10gramsuvtrenEOD]

week 1-11
800 test/week
700 eq/week
600 npp/week
drol 25 ed 50 75 50 25 (5 weeks)

week 12-22
900 test/week
500 tren/week
500 mast/week

week 16-22
900 test/week
600 tren/week
600 mast/week
winstrol 25 50 75 50 25 (5 weeks)

i will wait 4 weeks before i pct
**give suggestions for pct as well please thanks sweeties

diet:
week 1-11
1-50p 50c 12f
2-(preworkout) 50pwhey/ew 100c dextrose
intra-100c dextrose
3-(postworkout) 50pwhey/ew 100c dextrose
4-50p 50c 0f
5-50p 0c 25f
6-50p 50c 15f
middle night- 50pwhey/ew 15f
350p 450c 65f

week 12-22
1-60p 0c 15f
2-(preworkout) 50pwhey/ew 50c dextrose/waxy maze
3-(post) 50pwhey/ew 25c dextrose/wm
4-60p 0c 15f
5-60p 0c 20f
6-60p 0c 20f
7-100p 0c 20f
440p 75c 90f the pre and post carbs will be 3 days on(lagging body part) 4 days off.

 

[system]

sorry i can’t type more rn but from my pov:

-dropping EQ too early
-might as well just run 900 test from start to finish
-same goes for the tren/mast doses, might as well just start with 600 of both over doing 500 mg for 4 weeks and 600 mg for 6 weeks
-weird dosing protocol for the orals, imo just stick with one dose start to finish (so like 50 mg for 5 weeks with the drol) rather than going from 25 to 50 to 75 back down to 50 back down to 25

 

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kingofcarbz" pid='18035' dateline='1529983197:

sorry i can’t type more rn but from my pov:

-dropping EQ too early
-might as well just run 900 test from start to finish
-same goes for the tren/mast doses, might as well just start with 600 of both over doing 500 mg for 4 weeks and 600 mg for 6 weeks
-weird dosing protocol for the orals, imo just stick with one dose start to finish (so like 50 mg for 5 weeks with the drol) rather than going from 25 to 50 to 75 back down to 50 back down to 25

my reason for the oral protocol is in the past with orals when I’m coming off i feel like SHIT maybe this will help. I’m still going to keep this just to find out for my own sake. or maybe ill start with 75 then 50 25 the last two weeks

P.S. i was hoping you would give your input king almost tagged you

 

[Delminio]

Up EQ to 800 and run it the whole cycle. Most underrated compound ever.

 

[resistor]

you dont need 350g protein unless you weigh 400lb+

 

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resistor" pid='18047' dateline='1529988378:

you dont need 350g protein unless you weigh 400lb+

And why don’t you think so

 

[youdownwithNPP]

I’m assuming your TDEE is around 3370 based on your macros, and that you’ll be bulking for the first 12 and cutting for the last 10. I ran basically exactly what you want to run the first 11 weeks, but with bold cyp instead of EQ and loved it. If you run a bulk then whole time I would stick with that. I wouldn’t run the test that high during a cut, especially if you have a show. If that is more of maintenance, I would say run either a cut or bulk instead.

I personally don’t like fats that low on a bulk, and I don’t think it hurts to up it to 90-100. Fat gains won’t be different and it could be easier getting more calories in that way. I’m in the camp of micronutrients being just as important and also digestion being very important. That being said, it doesn’t take much to make sure you get in enough micros.

What are your goals for the cycle? Also, if you haven’t tried adrol yet, it can cause a severe lack in appetite, which will hurt on a bulk

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Also, I don’t think you need protein that high on the cut. 1g per lb would be fine, the compounds will preserve you’re muscle. And I would either up the carbs a lot, or just run let, meaning less than 50 g every day.

For pct, I would just go with the standard hcg clomid nolva protocol, or consider bnc if fertility isn’t a concern and you plan on doing this for a long time.

What are your stats by the way?

 

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youdownwithNPP" pid='18051' dateline='1529990797:

I’m assuming your TDEE is around 3370 based on your macros, and that you’ll be bulking for the first 12 and cutting for the last 10. I ran basically exactly what you want to run the first 11 weeks, but with bold cyp instead of EQ and loved it. If you run a bulk then whole time I would stick with that. I wouldn’t run the test that high during a cut, especially if you have a show. If that is more of maintenance, I would say run either a cut or bulk instead.

I personally don’t like fats that low on a bulk, and I don’t think it hurts to up it to 90-100. Fat gains won’t be different and it could be easier getting more calories in that way. I’m in the camp of micronutrients being just as important and also digestion being very important. That being said, it doesn’t take much to make sure you get in enough micros.

What are your goals for the cycle? Also, if you haven’t tried adrol yet, it can cause a severe lack in appetite, which will hurt on a bulk

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Also, I don’t think you need protein that high on the cut. 1g per lb would be fine, the compounds will preserve you’re muscle. And I would either up the carbs a lot, or just run let, meaning less than 50 g every day.

For pct, I would just go with the standard hcg clomid nolva protocol, or consider bnc if fertility isn’t a concern and you plan on doing this for a long time.

What are your stats by the way?

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Thanks

 

[10gramsuvtrenEOD]

youdownwithNPP" pid='18051' dateline='1529990797:

I’m assuming your TDEE is around 3370 based on your macros, and that you’ll be bulking for the first 12 and cutting for the last 10. I ran basically exactly what you want to run the first 11 weeks, but with bold cyp instead of EQ and loved it. If you run a bulk then whole time I would stick with that. I wouldn’t run the test that high during a cut, especially if you have a show. If that is more of maintenance, I would say run either a cut or bulk instead.

I personally don’t like fats that low on a bulk, and I don’t think it hurts to up it to 90-100. Fat gains won’t be different and it could be easier getting more calories in that way. I’m in the camp of micronutrients being just as important and also digestion being very important. That being said, it doesn’t take much to make sure you get in enough micros.

What are your goals for the cycle? Also, if you haven’t tried adrol yet, it can cause a severe lack in appetite, which will hurt on a bulk

---

Also, I don’t think you need protein that high on the cut. 1g per lb would be fine, the compounds will preserve you’re muscle. And I would either up the carbs a lot, or just run let, meaning less than 50 g every day.

For pct, I would just go with the standard hcg clomid nolva protocol, or consider bnc if fertility isn’t a concern and you plan on doing this for a long time.

What are your stats by the way?

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yes i am bulking for the first part, and cutting the second. yes i am getting ready for a show, but it isn’t at the end of the 22 weeks.

can you explain a bit as why not to have the test that high for a cut leading into a show? the highest test I’ve ran is 700.

as far as micros go i also am big on that, there isn’t any questions there

as for the adrol i will see how it goes and might switch to dbol as it increases my appetite significantly.

for the protein my thought was if theres any chance of gaining muscle while cutting then great, if the extra protein is useless then so be it, we’ll see.
i might do a complete keto diet at first then add carbs and increase cardio for a second phase.

i am 5’7 220lbs .visible abs and fairly veiny. I’m young. 1 show is comp history.
fertility is not an issue, bodybuilding for 8 years, only put hormones in my body less than a year ago. i intent on going as far as i can at all costs.

 

[johndoe24]

You still recover after cycles like these with pct?

 

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johndoe24" pid='18125' dateline='1530048490:

You still recover after cycles like these with pct?

never pct’d blasted and now I’m cruising. considering coming all the way off

 

[youdownwithNPP]

youdownwithNPP" pid='18051' dateline='1529990797:

can you explain a bit as why not to have the test that high for a cut leading into a show? the highest test I’ve ran is 700.

Test that high will make e2 hard to manage leading to water retention/bloating. Also to tie in with the higher protein, it will be almost impossible to make any gains on a significant calorie deficit, even with tons of compounds. 900 test won’t preserve more than a lower dose with the tren, so at that point I think it’s better to just save yourself the headache and cost of more test and just go around 300 test.

I don’t like telling people to blast n cruise instead of pct but if you are set on doing this for the foreseeable future, you have good stats (which you do), and know all the risks involved, I would consider going down to a trt dose instead of doing pct. It all depends on how you respond to pct and if you have blood work to show if your levels come back too.

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Didn’t see your last post about pct. If you want to come off after a long bnc, look into HMG or triptorelin.

 

[resistor]

10gramsuvtrenEOD" pid='18048' dateline='1529988721:

resistor" pid='18047' dateline='1529988378:

you dont need 350g protein unless you weigh 400lb+

And why don’t you think so

because every piece of research on the subject says as much. look it up

 

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resistor" pid='18196' dateline='1530082025:

10gramsuvtrenEOD" pid='18048' dateline='1529988721:

resistor" pid='18047' dateline='1529988378:

you dont need 350g protein unless you weigh 400lb+

And why don’t you think so

because every piece of research on the subject says as much. look it up

Most of the studies done are on people who excercise few times a week or not at all, post a link to one study done with a bodybuilde, my anecdotals say otherwise

 

[system]

Studies done on naturals or non-bodybuilders mean nothing to us. If you wanna eat 150 grams of protein because natural 160 lbs Alberto Nunez with 16 inch arms said that’s all you need, by all means do your thing, but there is a reason you won’t find a single respectable IFBB pro eating girl macros like that. I’d much rather have too much protein than too little, that’s for damn sure. Not once have I met somebody who is actually big who doesn’t eat a lot of protein. Not once.

 

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kingofcarbz" pid='18242' dateline='1530128437:

Studies done on naturals or non-bodybuilders mean nothing to us. If you wanna eat 150 grams of protein because natural 160 lbs Alberto Nunez with 16 inch arms said that’s all you need, by all means do your thing, but there is a reason you won’t find a single respectable IFBB pro eating girl macros like that. I’d much rather have too much protein than too little, that’s for damn sure. Not once have I met somebody who is actually big who doesn’t eat a lot of protein. Not once.

i second all that , and the 350 is only 1.6 x my bw thats less than what a lot of the guys i know do

 

[youdownwithNPP]

I do recall a study I found once while browsing that was done on enhanced bodybuilders that stated even .7 grams per pound was enough to maintain muscle on a cut. Don’t remember anything said about gaining though. I’ll try and find it but I do agree with more protein on a bulk

 

[10gramsuvtrenEOD]

youdownwithNPP" pid='18268' dateline='1530142206:

I do recall a study I found once while browsing that was done on enhanced bodybuilders that stated even .7 grams per pound was enough to maintain muscle on a cut. Don’t remember anything said about gaining though. I’ll try and find it but I do agree with more protein on a bulk

id love to read that if you can find it thanks

 

[system]

youdownwithNPP" pid='18268' dateline='1530142206:

I do recall a study I found once while browsing that was done on enhanced bodybuilders that stated even .7 grams per pound was enough to maintain muscle on a cut. Don’t remember anything said about gaining though. I’ll try and find it but I do agree with more protein on a bulk

x2 ^ hopefully you can dig it up! but honestly, I just couldn’t fathom the idea of somebody like…Jose Raymond and Flex Lewis (210) eating only 145 grams of protein per day. Phil heath 175 grams…lol. It just sounds way too good to be true. There has to be a reason why all of the top guys and top coaches haven’t adjusted their diets based on this data

 

[10gramsuvtrenEOD]

kingofcarbz" pid='18289' dateline='1530154166:

youdownwithNPP" pid='18268' dateline='1530142206:

I do recall a study I found once while browsing that was done on enhanced bodybuilders that stated even .7 grams per pound was enough to maintain muscle on a cut. Don’t remember anything said about gaining though. I’ll try and find it but I do agree with more protein on a bulk

x2 ^ hopefully you can dig it up! but honestly, I just couldn’t fathom the idea of somebody like…Jose Raymond and Flex Lewis (210) eating only 145 grams of protein per day. Phil heath 175 grams…lol. It just sounds way too good to be true. There has to be a reason why all of the top guys and top coaches haven’t adjusted their diets based on this data

Unless everyone is in on it trying to convince everyone to eat inadequate protein to keep everyone small