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Gents, planning my next cycle. 2 options. Currently cruising @250 test e.
On hand tren A test prop and mast E.
Will have NPP within the week.

Wasn’t sure either ten/testmast or npp/test/mast.

But here is the more pressing issue. Work has gotten crazy so I will only have 31 days to pin and then travel on and off for the 2 following weeks. I may be able to pin on 34th day and 38th day . Do I start a 4 week tren cycle now and with or without the mast E? Or wait till weeks end when I get the NPP and run that for 3.5 weeks with or without the mast? I am most concerned with the levels getting a whack in the 4th and 5th week. Test level won’t be a problem as I can use enth while my schedule is off
And I should add that I can carry some dbol while traveling but not oils.
Not sure if I explained this the right way but any input would be appreciated.
 
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You either
A. Just wait until you return to start, which IMO makes the most sense.

B. Use short esters until before you leave, and then pin a long ester shot of each compound you’re running-resume short esters once you return. So for example

Day 1-30: tren a daily
Day 30 (day before you leave for vacation): tren e shot
Next possible pin day: tren e shot
Once you finish travel: resume tren a daily

C. Use long esters from the start until you return from your trip

Day 1-return: tren e
Return-end: tren a

Used tren as an example but it applies for any drug ofc
 

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2nd vote for just waiting another 6 weeks to begin the run. You’re already on more than double the real TRT dose of Test so you are basically on cycle right now anyway (Prescribed TRT is 100 cyp weekly) and thus still in a better condition for making gains than a natty.
 
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2nd vote for just waiting another 6 weeks to begin the run. You’re already on more than double the real TRT dose of Test so you are basically on cycle right now anyway (Prescribed TRT is 100 cyp weekly) and thus still in a better condition for making gains than a natty.
This is incorrect man. TRT dose varies based entirely on the individual. For example, 100mg puts me over 1000 ng/dl, but 200mg puts my father no higher than the 700s.
 

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kingofcarbz" pid='82145' dateline='1581965755:
You either
A. Just wait until you return to start, which IMO makes the most sense.

B. Use short esters until before you leave, and then pin a long ester shot of each compound you’re running-resume short esters once you return. So for example

Day 1-30: tren a daily
Day 30 (day before you leave for vacation): tren e shot
Next possible pin day: tren e shot
Once you finish travel: resume tren a daily

C. Use long esters from the start until you return from your trip

Day 1-return: tren e
Return-end: tren a

Used tren as an example but it applies for any drug ofc
Thanks for feedback. I have long and short test and mast ester so that will work but I only have tren A and NPP… If I run the tren cycle, I would have 31 days and then can pin on day 34 and day 38 and then would be able to get back on the normal schedule around day 42. If I go with NPP, I won’t have it until the end of this week so it would be more like 25 days and then the same above pin windows. I was just wondering if either compound was better or worse suited to having the levels interrupted and also would tren get the nod because I could start it now vs NPP at end of week.

Even at 250wk cruise, I tend to lose size as I am notorious for eating under maintenance…so I am not sure I want to go another 7 weeks cruising.
 
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2nd vote for just waiting another 6 weeks to begin the run. You’re already on more than double the real TRT dose of Test so you are basically on cycle right now anyway (Prescribed TRT is 100 cyp weekly) and thus still in a better condition for making gains than a natty.
This is incorrect man. TRT dose varies based entirely on the individual. For example, 100mg puts me over 1000 ng/dl, but 200mg puts my father no higher than the 700s.
Have to remember that doctors don’t dose it to put people at levels that guys on gear would be happy with. They’re just aiming to get men or transitioning ftm people into the “average” range which they’ll say is anywhere from 300-1100 and 100mg will get anyone into that range even on the low end.
 
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kingofcarbz" pid='82145' dateline='1581965755:
You either
A. Just wait until you return to start, which IMO makes the most sense.

B. Use short esters until before you leave, and then pin a long ester shot of each compound you’re running-resume short esters once you return. So for example

Day 1-30: tren a daily
Day 30 (day before you leave for vacation): tren e shot
Next possible pin day: tren e shot
Once you finish travel: resume tren a daily

C. Use long esters from the start until you return from your trip

Day 1-return: tren e
Return-end: tren a

Used tren as an example but it applies for any drug ofc
Ended up going with option B. Started the short ester run last week. Found a vial of tren E in the war chest so I will be able to pin long esters during my travel gaps.

Also, this is 1st time I am using an ED protocol for the tren. (As you guys suggested pretty strongly) what a huge difference in sides(lack of) running 75ED of tren A and 50ED of test prop… so far so good. It’s amazing what a difference pinning ED vs EOD with the tren A makes. I don’t get really bad sides anyway from tren but this cycle so far I have not even slight sides. Sleeping a good 5 hours and a quick trip to rest room and then back to sleep. I know the gear is good…it’s a reputable source on this board…
Great advice gents…
 
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ForgotMuhName" pid='82160' dateline='1581977791:
kingofcarbz" pid='82150' dateline='1581969369:
ForgotMuhName" pid='82149' dateline='1581969018:
2nd vote for just waiting another 6 weeks to begin the run. You’re already on more than double the real TRT dose of Test so you are basically on cycle right now anyway (Prescribed TRT is 100 cyp weekly) and thus still in a better condition for making gains than a natty.
This is incorrect man. TRT dose varies based entirely on the individual. For example, 100mg puts me over 1000 ng/dl, but 200mg puts my father no higher than the 700s.
Have to remember that doctors don’t dose it to put people at levels that guys on gear would be happy with. They’re just aiming to get men or transitioning ftm people into the “average” range which they’ll say is anywhere from 300-1100 and 100mg will get anyone into that range even on the low end.
I am prescribed TRT, and not for bodybuilding purposes. The goal with TRT is to get men at a level where they feel best while remaining ‘in range’ (this is the word of my prescribing practitioner). If somebody feels great at 300 ng/dl they will be fine to remain there regardless of the dose needed to attain it, and if somebody feels great at 1000 ng/dl they will be fine to remain there regardless of the dose needed to attain it. For some, they may need as low as 50mg/wk. to reach their ‘optimal’ number, others, 200mg+ per week to reach it. A simple example of the possible variance: my dad’s script of 200/wk. puts him no higher than the 700s. My script of 100/wk. puts me over 1000. Same drug, same pharmacy, same doctor, same everything - only difference is us as individuals. The idea that just being in range is the only goal and there being some universal dose that is given and sufficient for everybody on TRT is fabricated.
EpicFlash" pid='82954' dateline='1582725824:
kingofcarbz" pid='82145' dateline='1581965755:
You either
A. Just wait until you return to start, which IMO makes the most sense.

B. Use short esters until before you leave, and then pin a long ester shot of each compound you’re running-resume short esters once you return. So for example

Day 1-30: tren a daily
Day 30 (day before you leave for vacation): tren e shot
Next possible pin day: tren e shot
Once you finish travel: resume tren a daily

C. Use long esters from the start until you return from your trip

Day 1-return: tren e
Return-end: tren a

Used tren as an example but it applies for any drug ofc
Ended up going with option B. Started the short ester run last week. Found a vial of tren E in the war chest so I will be able to pin long esters during my travel gaps.

Also, this is 1st time I am using an ED protocol for the tren. (As you guys suggested pretty strongly) what a huge difference in sides(lack of) running 75ED of tren A and 50ED of test prop… so far so good. It’s amazing what a difference pinning ED vs EOD with the tren A makes. I don’t get really bad sides anyway from tren but this cycle so far I have not even slight sides. Sleeping a good 5 hours and a quick trip to rest room and then back to sleep. I know the gear is good…it’s a reputable source on this board…
Great advice gents…
Great choice, def. can’t go wrong with that approach.

So glad to hear that brother. Keep us posted on how everything goes as the weeks pass. More stable hormones are better than less stable hormones, who woulda thunk it?! Really though, I’m happy to hear you’re benefiting from the more frequent shots. It’s always tough to convince people to change their approach, but when open-minded members like you come back to confirm it’s the real deal it only aids in allowing others see the light with less hesitation. Appreciate you saying that, hoping your run goes better than ever!
 

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kingofcarbz" pid='82996' dateline='1582775060:
ForgotMuhName" pid='82160' dateline='1581977791:
kingofcarbz" pid='82150' dateline='1581969369:
ForgotMuhName" pid='82149' dateline='1581969018:
2nd vote for just waiting another 6 weeks to begin the run. You’re already on more than double the real TRT dose of Test so you are basically on cycle right now anyway (Prescribed TRT is 100 cyp weekly) and thus still in a better condition for making gains than a natty.
This is incorrect man. TRT dose varies based entirely on the individual. For example, 100mg puts me over 1000 ng/dl, but 200mg puts my father no higher than the 700s.
Have to remember that doctors don’t dose it to put people at levels that guys on gear would be happy with. They’re just aiming to get men or transitioning ftm people into the “average” range which they’ll say is anywhere from 300-1100 and 100mg will get anyone into that range even on the low end.
I am prescribed TRT, and not for bodybuilding purposes. The goal with TRT is to get men at a level where they feel best while remaining ‘in range’ (this is the word of my prescribing practitioner). If somebody feels great at 300 ng/dl they will be fine to remain there regardless of the dose needed to attain it, and if somebody feels great at 1000 ng/dl they will be fine to remain there regardless of the dose needed to attain it. For some, they may need as low as 50mg/wk. to reach their ‘optimal’ number, others, 200mg+ per week to reach it. A simple example of the possible variance: my dad’s script of 200/wk. puts him no higher than the 700s. My script of 100/wk. puts me over 1000. Same drug, same pharmacy, same doctor, same everything - only difference is us as individuals. The idea that just being in range is the only goal and there being some universal dose that is given and sufficient for everybody on TRT is fabricated.
EpicFlash" pid='82954' dateline='1582725824:
kingofcarbz" pid='82145' dateline='1581965755:
You either
A. Just wait until you return to start, which IMO makes the most sense.

B. Use short esters until before you leave, and then pin a long ester shot of each compound you’re running-resume short esters once you return. So for example

Day 1-30: tren a daily
Day 30 (day before you leave for vacation): tren e shot
Next possible pin day: tren e shot
Once you finish travel: resume tren a daily

C. Use long esters from the start until you return from your trip

Day 1-return: tren e
Return-end: tren a

Used tren as an example but it applies for any drug ofc
Ended up going with option B. Started the short ester run last week. Found a vial of tren E in the war chest so I will be able to pin long esters during my travel gaps.

Also, this is 1st time I am using an ED protocol for the tren. (As you guys suggested pretty strongly) what a huge difference in sides(lack of) running 75ED of tren A and 50ED of test prop… so far so good. It’s amazing what a difference pinning ED vs EOD with the tren A makes. I don’t get really bad sides anyway from tren but this cycle so far I have not even slight sides. Sleeping a good 5 hours and a quick trip to rest room and then back to sleep. I know the gear is good…it’s a reputable source on this board…
Great advice gents…
Great choice, def. can’t go wrong with that approach.

So glad to hear that brother. Keep us posted on how everything goes as the weeks pass. More stable hormones are better than less stable hormones, who woulda thunk it?! Really though, I’m happy to hear you’re benefiting from the more frequent shots. It’s always tough to convince people to change their approach, but when open-minded members like you come back to confirm it’s the real deal it only aids in allowing others see the light with less hesitation. Appreciate you saying that, hoping your run goes better than ever!
@“kingofcarbz”

Update a week later. Cycle going better than any tren cycle I have done. Certainly due to fact that I took the advice to do ED pins. Only current sides are the crazy vivid dreams. No sweats at all. I even figured out that I can actually eat late at night so my sleep has also been better than ever. I think (or wonder) if most people avoid late meals on tren because typically that causes sweats…and maybe the erratic sleep might be due to body being calorie deprived. I have found that getting the 5th or 6th meal in near bed time allows me to get a solid 5 or 6 hours and a quick trip to bathroom and then back down for a couple of more.
I am definitely a firm believer in the stability of the ED pin protocol. I even found that because it is ED, if I miss the morning pin, I will just pin half doses later in the day and resume normal pin the next morning.

Thanks for the advice guys. It’s always best to remain teachable or try something a different way…I would probably have kept doing things the same old way and not found a better way to tweak a cycle.

Broscience…found everywhere and mostly worthless…empirical evidence…found here at SST and Priceless!
 
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