Cycle Critique please

[NoChewing]

Punchline:
I had been thinking I’d go 750mg/week Test Cyp and 600mg/week NPP, for 16-20 weeks.

 I thought I'd seek feedback from you. If I'm being honest I should admit I'm also considering trying Anadrol for first month, although I realize a kicker isn't necessarily with NPP, and that might be gains greed.

Background:

Caucasian M, 40-45yo, 6’2", current weight 205#, 18ish-20% bf. Lifting consistently for the past 20 years.

Recent Hx: My last cycle ended 7 months ago, unfortunately hit a rut in my personal life and completely fell off the wagon with lifting and diet for about 5 months. I didn’t get fat- worse, I got skinny-fat. I’ve been back lifting regularly and eating right the past 8 weeks, looking to start a cycle in a month or so. In the two prior cycles I had bulked up to 240# about 23%bf and then cut to 215 and about 10-12%bf (I can cut better next time). My strength is still coming back naturally but I am also beginning to feel my age.

Past Cycles: Numerous cycles in late twenties and thirties, mostly bulking including test, deca, eq, tren, d-bol; some ‘light’ use of hgh and insulin (very, carefully and monitoring blood glucose closely, etc.) I think I’ve at least 24 months on cycle, maybe as much as 30.

-I tend to be estrogen and progesterone sensitive but manageable- and I realize I’m about to propose a riskier cycle:

-I realize that’s combining a short and long esther but I really don’t want deca in my system forever

-choosing a nandrolone for joints- I’m getting older.

-wish I could do HGH, can’t currently afford it, but soon.

So informed critique please?
Links to anything you think I should know?

Thank you,

Don’t Chew

 

[Trenbolognese]

I’ve never run NPP, but I’ve run deca for that amount of time just because it takes a long time to kick. With NPP being so fast acting, you don’t really need 16-20 weeks unless you just want to stay on that long. Other than that, I’m like you with progesterone and estrogen sensitivity. Make sure you take your ancollaries and watch that stuff closely if you’re running it that long.

 

[NoChewing]

Well, do doses look about right for a #210 guy?

 

[trenbolgona]

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Well, do doses look about right for a #210 guy?

Dosing should be progressive not based on weight. If you can use less and get results, why up it more?

Progress drugs the same way you do food and weights. You don’t go from 2k cal/d to 6k/d, same principal.

 

[apexalab]

I like Nandrolone for your situation (age, lower amount of muscle mass), so I think you’re good there. I have no problem staying lean and not-watery on NPP/Deca with a clean diet.

That said, I would seriously consider getting that BF% down before cycling, or at least shooting for recomp on this cycle. Your BF% has gotten rather high (I’m assuming you want to be in the 10-12% range which looks great and is still readily maintainable for older guys) that I would add in some Cardarine and/or Yohimbine to help mobilize some fat stores. The cardarine will also get your aerobic capabilities boosted after having been inactive for so long.

 

[Pharmahgh]

If your estro and progesterone sensitive I wouldn’t run more androgens like drol on top of test. You have 3 aromatizing compounds and I would definatly not run Npp if your progesterone sensitive. I would run test and EQ with an AI preferably nolvadex if you can control it with that. Im not a big fan of letro or arimadex they are very harsh and tank your hdl. If you cant keep estro or progesteron under control your just going to store and hold more body fat and water and your trouble areas will look worse. You said your skinny fat ? I would Impliment Hit interval fasted cardio in the morning before you eat and train. Then cycle your carbs 3 low 3 med 1 high set your carbs around your workout pre intra and post workout meals with carbs. The rest of the day low or no carbs

 

[NoChewing]

Bologna, Bolognese, Apexa and Pharma- thank you for your comments. Perhaps I should reconsider doing more of a recomp. I’m terrible about gains greed. I’ll be certain to eat clean at least, perhaps I’ll go with EQ instead of the nandrolone, or just use a much lower dose of nandrolone for my joints. I’m also now considering Carnadine as per Apexa and cycling my carbs more intelligently as per Pharma

Bologna- your point about not dosing by weight is valid. I was basing this cycle on what I remembered wanting to do next at the end of my last cycle, but as I said, things went to hell between then and now. I’ll reconsider dosages and just watch.

Thanks all, your opinions valued.

 

[Some.Dude]

Just my opinion, and not targeted at the OP, but let’s not clutter up this board with stupid “critique my 1st cylce” or “Critique the cycle that I have no business doing” posts… There are already literally thousands of mindless posts like that on any other board…Keep SST sacred and Fucking Awesome!!!

With Love,
The guy who cums on your sisters face

 

[system]

I would consider using half of that until you feel you have regained all that you lost. Once you feel you’re at the level you have been at prior, then up the dose. You already have muscle memory on your side - something like 350 test 350 npp would be more than enough to significantly assist you with putting on all of the remaining size/strength you once had.

I’d go with something like:
Week
1-10 350t/350npp
Assuming you’ve regained all of your formerly lost size
10-18 350t/750npp
10-16 anavar 50 mg

hCG 250 IU E3D

I would choose anavar over anadrol for you. Why? First off, you’re looking to keep leaning down, right? Var is the only oral known to actually shed stomach fat and it will help you in looking leaner overall. It’s good on the joints, skin, and not harsh on the liver. While it’s not great on the lipids, all orals are quite bad on them, so missing out on the liver related issues (lethargy especially with your age) is a huge plus. You’ll have great glycogen stores and put on some moderate strength/size. It can be ran for a bit longer than most of the others, and you don’t need to worry about any sort of bloofiness like you would anadrol. In fact, quite the opposite.

Just my opinion catered towards some of the things you mentioned and your current position. Best of luck with whatever you choose!

 

[Bearslovecheese]

My first thought is that is a boat load of hormone for somebody getting back on the wagon. And as somebody who is estrogen sensitive, you’ve got a lot of aromatization potential. Like Carbz said, 350/350 would be much more reasonable. 250/500 would be good and should be pretty easy to keep your E2 dialed in. Keep in mind that Nandrolone aromatizes into Estrogen at ~20% so 500 Nand is somewhere around the equiv of taking an additional 100mg of testosterone from the perspective of Estrogen control. Long story short since you have experience in the past keeping your estrogen controlled you can play with dosages to get somewhat close to what you’ve needed to use in the past with the caveat that you’re higher body fat then in the past so you will probably need slightly more AI for the same cycle total.

HCG on cycle with multiple aromatizing compounds will only make estrogen more unpredictable as well. Consider using only a single vial of HCG at the tail end of your cycle after you’re done injecting but before you’ve started taking PCT drugs, or overlapping slightly with the end of your cycle.

Do you have pre cycle bloodwork done? Do you have your current testosterone levels in hand? Reason I ask is that with a history of anabolics + your age you may want to seriously consider the TRT route so you can save yourself the bodily stresses of cycling on and off.

 

[NoChewing]

Some.Dude- No offense personally taken, and I’ve read hundreds of those too. I thought this was a reasonable post for someone that wasn’t a complete noob. I find it harder to find ‘older enhanced lifter’ advice and I wanted to check my thoughts. I’m glad I did actually find several people gave considerate correction.

KingOfCarbz- I’m seriously considering your advice now, thank you, regarding dosing schedule and Anavar. I’ve never actually tried Anavar. Wanting to try anadrol was probably another symptom of gains greed.

Bears: Actually, I’m paying a visit to a friend who is a fertility doc before I start this cycle(I told my partner I’d put some swimmers on ice before I begin.) I’ll be sure to check hormones, and yes, I’d like to do TRT after for exactly the reasons you mentioned.

In the meantime I’m going to get my body fat down before a cycle. Thank goodness for muscle memory, things have been coming back quick even naturally as it is.

Thank you all, (Even you Some.Dude- I love this forum too advice much appreciated.

Don’t Chew