Deca replacement for bulking cycle?

[beefee321]

So as bad I want to use Deca for bulking, it instantly causes severe ED for me. Like the minute I pin, it’s a no go on 20mg of cialis. I have tried every protocol recommended and every ancillary recommended, and nothing works. Deca is a no go for me. Period.

At this point I’m working on an end of summer bulking cycle, and figured I would simply ask if anyone had recommendations for a solid bulking cycle not built around deca?

I’ve been cycling for 10 years, im in my mid 30s, 6ft, 250lbs. I think my go to oral is going to be M1T as it’s the only oral I haven’t tried yet and thought it would be fun to try something new and I’ve read alot of good stuff about bulking with it. Other than that, just going to obviously have a solid test base in the 750mg range depending on what else I add. Other than that anyone have any thoughts on what compounds to add to that? I know this is a broad question but I really just enjoy reading what other people have found success with.

 

[DILDINATORvBoii]

@beefee321 I’m currently running

750 Test
450 EQ
350 NPP
100 Anadrol

It’s been about 10 weeks, weight has went from 218-240. Seeing new lines each week, strength is going up, and my abs have actually gotten better, and I’m staying tight through the whole bulk. Vascularity has actually increased as well. I had a similar problem when I ran deca my first time, switched to NPP, and haven’t had a single side effect.

 

[Poopyfart]

@beefee321

LOL

You might be gay, son.

What you’re looking for is called more test. Or EQ.

Some people don’t have this issue on NPP. You could try swapping it for NPP, might be worth a shot.

OR just smash with a floppy, as long as you can still cum, right? Who cares if she gets off. Flying half staff, but with honor.

LOL

Never had any issues with deca dick so I can’t really relate but have had a bad bad case of stim dick and xanax dick before. Speaking of I got a funny ass story I might make a thread about.

 

[Jj4999]

@DILDINATORvBoii no issues with prolactin? I always need caber when I run NPP at that dose otherwise I lactate :man_shrugging:t2:

 

[DILDINATORvBoii]

@Jj4999 I’ve never had any prolactin issues that I know of lol. It’s never been high on bloodwork, and I’ve never had stuff come out of my nips lol

 

[effswithtren]

That sucks since for many nandrolone is the go-to bulker. I just wrapped up a deca cycle, and while I’m still dropping residual bloat I can already tell I’m going to be very happy with the results. Then again for many the main downside is ED. Some get it, some don’t. I don’t, so nandrolone is just very agreeable with me overall (despite needing light dosages of caber).

The usual answer to this is to up the test in a 1:1-2:1 ratio, but I’ve heard lots of people having success with adding a DHT derivative like mast. If you’re not prone to hair issues I’d try it since it may not only fix the dick problems but also control some bloat as well.

If you’re giving up on nandrolone (don’t give up on nandrolone) most other compounds are inferior for throwing on mass in such an efficient timeframe. I’ve heard many swear by MENT, though I’ve never tried it, but it seems like just as many say it’s overrated so dunno. If you’re going to do it be low BF and have plenty of aromasin and ralox ready though, if you’re running it equivalent to a solid nand cycle you’re going to run into gyno issues without it.

I have some M1T but never actually ran it. My true love for orals is superdrol. That shit is the real deal. Your lifts go up every session and you look amazing on it. A lot of that is glycogen and a lot of it goes away after, but I’ve always stayed about the same weight coming off and my lifts have always stayed the same. Its toxicity has been wildly overexaggerated, unless I’m just an outlier. I take 1g NAC and 500mg per 10mg superdrol, and don’t go over 20mg/day and I have ran that for weeks with my AST/ALT barely even budged. I think most of the problems you hear are on people that shoot straight to or over 30mg and take little/no liver supports and/or drink on cycle.

 

[beefee321]

@effswithtren so the only thing I haven’t tried actually is adding the DHT deretivative, I hadn’t thought of that. Becuase otherwise I’ve doubled test, tried Caber and Prami, and yeah, it’s just always been bad. And I’m with you on the superdrol, probably my favorite oral. I was actually between that and M1T and landed on M1T just so I can acrually see how it works for me. I appreciate the advice.

 

[Booker]

@beefee321 So you ran 2:1 test:deca and still had issues after making sure the dosages actually saturated? Dang, im extremely prone to dick issues related to DHT/androgens and even im not that sensitive. On 2:1 Testeca i function perfectly while on 1:1 my dick is broke.

Fortunately deca dick simply comes from a lack of (strong) androgens. Depending on whats cheaper for you, you can just run a good dose of proviron or mast on top of your test deca stack and im certain you’ll be fine. Just gotta figure out the dosages.

 

[Booker]

@effswithtren “but I’ve always stayed about the same weight coming off” that means that superdrol literally doesnt didnt build muscle each time you ran it lol.
Question do you feel like superdrol gives you subq water retention i.e “bloat” or just pure glycogen and nitrogen retention like all anabolics. A good example is tren. Fills up your body with alot of glycogen stores but no moonface or ugly bloat because its all in the muscle.

 

[effswithtren]

@Booker maybe I phrased that poorly. I retain most of the weight I gain during a sdrol run. I’d have to check my logs, but offhand maybe 2/3 of the weight I shoot up, I keep. I wasn’t meaning I drop right back down to my pre sdrol weight. I meant the same with lifts. In other words, I retain maybe 2/3 of gains both in terms of weight increase and weight added to the bar.

And usually with sdrol you just fill up intramuscularly without subq water retention. I’ve heard some people do a bit of both, but it’s uncommon. Drol is usually more associated with subq water retention, and dbol even moreso.

This isn’t to say it’s some miracle drug. It’s still an oral, and at most an add-on to a cycle. I’ve found it to be a lot more than a temporary visual boost though, however I still feel that’s what it’s best at overall. Adding it for a few weeks is like jumping ahead a whole cycle or two during those few weeks.

 

[Booker]

@effswithtren Thats ultra strong considering the usual short timeframe sdrol is run for and how much weight it packs on. If 2/3 of it stays those short 4-6 weeks cycles thats a shit ton of weight (assuming you didnt get fat in the meantime). Also considering how cheap it is and its supposedly dry, its so close to being a “perfect” oral imo.

I want to run sdrol but im scared to kill my liver and end up in hospital even with NAC and Vitamin C

 

[effswithtren]

@Booker to be fair I run it 10-20mg for quite awhile, 6wks or so. A good bit of weight gain during that time has to be from injectibles. It’s hard to really compare apples to apples because I’ve never done TRT plus sdrol, it’s always complimented a blast. I think it gets an unfair reputation for being just temporary glycogen gains because most people run it high as shit and only for like a week or two. So they blow up with glycogen but don’t have time for any real appreciable muscle synthesis, so their weight spikes and then drops right back.

As for the toxicity, I think in general it just gets repeated as mantra how toxic it is. Usually by people that have never ran it, let alone with liver support, and let alone with bloodwork. I’ve ran it, with liver support, and with bloodwork. I can run it for weeks and have negligible impact on liver values when supported with adequate NAC/TUDCA and in moderate dosages. Obviously everyone will be different in this regard though so I don’t doubt someone here has looked at superdrol a bit sideways and got jaundice.

 

[Booker]

@effswithtren Really? I read reddits compound experience threads on superdrol and people say after around 3 weeks the lethargy sets in even with liver support. But yeah from what i’ve seen superdrol isnt as hard on the liver as most people think, but i have feeling it has a bunch of side effects that has nothing to do with liver stress.

 

[effswithtren]

@Booker I guess some people get post-sdrol lactation? Which is weird, but whatever. Dunno I’ve never got it. And lethargy starts to set in for me after awhile, which is when I cut it, but it’s several times longer than a lot of people report. I’ve read those Reddit threads too. I always ran it short duration based on those. Then I decided to just find out for myself, and it turns out it agrees with me. But these things can be very individual. Personally I suspect many users that can’t look at it without getting jaundice either took inadequate support, didn’t drink much water, or were engaging in recreational activities not conducive to healthy organ function. But surely not everyone.

If it agrees with you, superdrol is second to none in terms of benefits. I’ll use anadrol on a cut since I can run it so long with minimal deleterious effects and it curbs hunger, and here or there towards the end, but other than that superdrol is easily my oral of choice. Keep in mind per 10mg I do 500 TUDCA and 1g NAC, and don’t exceed 20mg. I arrived at those numbers completely arbitrarily, but they work well for me. I suspect most that ‘take liver support’ don’t take as much. I spend more on liver support than I do on superdrol.

 

[Booker]

@effswithtren When i used superdrol for a week, i was taking 2g NAC, 2g VitC and some dose of Liv52. I was gonna add TUDCA but holy shit is that stuff expensive where i live. Im also looking to find injectable sdrol because from all the anecdotal reports i have seen, its so much better on your liver.

 

[effswithtren]

@Booker Yeah definitely TUDCA is pricey. I shop around and save a bit but it still costs more to run protection than the actual sdrol. I just consider it part of the cost. I first ran it @ high dose without protection and, like most, felt like a lethargic piece of tired shit in short order.

And yeah I’ve been meaning to take a look at injectable sdrol. I understand it’s less tissue selective but still very powerful, and a whole lot better on bloodwork. Eventually I’ll have to give it a shot. I’m just not in much of a hurry since I’ve worked out the kinks on running the oral version. For those that can’t do the oral, trying the injectable would definitely be high on my priority list.

 

[Booker]

@effswithtren Can you tell me how much you pay for how much TUDCA?

 

[effswithtren]

@Booker last time I bought TUDCA was 60 500mg capsules for $27 shipped. So about $1 per gram. IME it’s been worth it. I use 500mg/pill on harsh stuff like sdrol and 250mg on lighter stuff.

 

[beefee321]

@Booker yep, in fact my last attempt at Deca was exactly that, and I even kept the deca at what I felt was a fairly low dose at 400mg per week. I’m for sure gonna try the DHT compounds though. I’d really love to experience the true potential of deca.

 

[Booker]

@beefee321 So 800 test and 400deca and still limp dick? Thats just weird. If i was you i would start with 200mg of proviron/mast per week on top of your 2:1 test/deca stack and evaluate from there.