ED/Libido Issues? HELP!!!

[Middleage]

Hello All... So I could really use some help.
Ok, first about me. I'm 51yr, 6' 195lb. IDK my fat %, I'm not shredded but not so bad either.
Ok, I was running 350mg Test-C. Within about a month my libido and 'Hardness' were great. Continued about another 4 wks and added Winstrol 50mg/day(more on this in a second) and Cardarine(GW501516) 25mg/day.
I got the Winny before finding this great place. To skip ahead, my guess is DBol?
So, within 2 weeks or less of adding, I realized libido was trash. Morning hardness was 50% at best. Got bloated and appetite was shit.
Ok, a week ago I stopped the Winny(?) After only taking for 2-3wk. The Cardarine I just stopped 2 days ago.
So, now I'm back to 350mg Test-C only. I'm noticing my mornings are a bit better, but when the "Real Time" comes, I'm at 50% at best and even if, I can't maintain.
Then the psych effect kicks in and kills the whole thing. I hope everyone can understand how terrible this feels. Never had an issue before at all.
If the orals were DBol would that contribute to this, or even if it was Winstrol? Any clue if Cardarine (GW501516) could have any effect? Honestly I thought it was a waste of money anyway.

Sorry this got a bit long. I'm really in a bad place with all this. As I hope everyone can understand, the psychological effects can be equally as bad.
I should point out, I have 100mg Viagra and 20mg Cialis on hand but haven't tried them yet. I was hoping to figure this out first. Then, if needed hopefully they work. But, better to find the root cause first.

Thank You All so much in advance. I feel so good to have a place to open up about this. All my best and Thanks Again!!

 

[LightningLeg]

1st recommendation is bloodwork. That way you can for sure know what’s happening. I use discountedlabs.com

Probably got Dbol and got high estrogen. Use the Cialis if you need to and take a some arimidex or aromasin would be my best guess.

 

[LightningLeg]

Libido can be tricky once you start messing around with your hormones. My numbers could be the same as another guy, and one of us could be humping a pillow where the other has a limp dick in his wife’s mouth.. lol. You gotta find what works best for you, personally my estrogen has to get really high for my libido to suffer, but some other guys not so much the case.

 

[JE25]

The mental aspect of it sucks, I’ve had the same problem before. It just took one thought and the embarrassment set it. I seriously doubt the GW had anything to do with it but everyone is different. I prefer the cialis over viagra, especially in the gym the pumps are great. If you continue to have troubles then for sure get your bloods done, it’s probably something easily manageable but it’s better to know instead of just throwing more meds in you.

 

[Middleage]

1st recommendation is bloodwork. That way you can for sure know what’s happening. I use discountedlabs.com

Probably got Dbol and got high estrogen. Use the Cialis if you need to and take a some arimidex or aromasin would be my best guess.

THANK YOU! Yes, I need Blood work. I have Arimidex on hand also, haven't taken yet. If the Adex crashes Estrogen to much can't that be a cause too?
Also(sorry) lastly, after something like DBol how long should it take to flush out of the system?
Thanks Again... I've been a mental mess over this

 

[Middleage]

Libido can be tricky once you start messing around with your hormones. My numbers could be the same as another guy, and one of us could be humping a pillow where the other has a limp dick in his wife’s mouth.. lol. You gotta find what works best for you, personally my estrogen has to get really high for my libido to suffer, but some other guys not so much the case.

Thanks... Totally understand. I do have Adex on hand, just never needed it. It's crazy how everyone responds differently. I was worried to crash estrogen too low.
Thanks again

 

[Middleage]

The mental aspect of it sucks, I’ve had the same problem before. It just took one thought and the embarrassment set it. I seriously doubt the GW had anything to do with it but everyone is different. I prefer the cialis over viagra, especially in the gym the pumps are great. If you continue to have troubles then for sure get your bloods done, it’s probably something easily manageable but it’s better to know instead of just throwing more meds in you.

Thank you... This is great advice. You're right, until now I'm just tossing meds at everything. I've never used Cialis. Curious if it really helps with my problem? I have 20mg tabs from my doc. I was thinking try 5mg but each day? I was just hoping to solve this first so I'm not stuck needed pills to get going.
Thanks again and have a great day

 

[JE25]

Thank you... This is great advice. You're right, until now I'm just tossing meds at everything. I've never used Cialis. Curious if it really helps with my problem? I have 20mg tabs from my doc. I was thinking try 5mg but each day? I was just hoping to solve this first so I'm not stuck needed pills to get going.
Thanks again and have a great day

I’m a fan of it, I have 20mg I bought from a source, and I break them up and take around 5mg every other day or so. It’s honestly a great mental thing knowing you got a little extra help in you. I’ve never had an issue with it. Only thing is if you take several 20’s in the same week I’ve noticed really bad back cramps. Just me though.
Good luck to you buddy have a great rest of your weekend

 

[Luxferro]

If it was dbol you’ll need to wait it out. Methylestradiol has a longer half life than normal E2. It’s a bit metabolism resistant. That said, one thing you can try is the following:

1) Take a bit of arimidex (like 0.25 mg) and evaluate how you feel the next 1-2 days. If your libido improves. Probably high E2. Continue taking arimidex at a low dose (like 0.25 mg 2-3x per week) until the dbol clears.

Unfortunately, I don’t think an E2 test will detect methylestradiol since it’s chemically distinct from estradiol.

 

[Middleage]

If it was dbol you’ll need to wait it out. Methylestradiol has a longer half life than normal E2. It’s a bit metabolism resistant. That said, one thing you can try is the following:

1) Take a bit of arimidex (like 0.25 mg) and evaluate how you feel the next 1-2 days. If your libido improves. Probably high E2. Continue taking arimidex at a low dose (like 0.25 mg 2-3x per week) until the dbol clears.

Unfortunately, I don’t think an E2 test will detect methylestradiol since it’s chemically distinct from estradiol.

Ok. THANK YOU. This at least gives me some hope. I'll try the Arimidex. Do you have an idea of the time it could take? I only took it for 2-3wks. But, it's only been about 1 since I quit.
My girl had to go-to Europe for work. She's been there a few months and I'm going to see her in a month. I'm so scared my parts won't work.
Should Cialis/Viagra be effective overcoming this if there are still issues?
Thanks again, this was super helpful.

 

[Middleage]

I’m a fan of it, I have 20mg I bought from a source, and I break them up and take around 5mg every other day or so. It’s honestly a great mental thing knowing you got a little extra help in you. I’ve never had an issue with it. Only thing is if you take several 20’s in the same week I’ve noticed really bad back cramps. Just me though.
Good luck to you buddy have a great rest of your weekend

Thanks Again!!! I'm hoping the Cialis will overcome whatever is going on. I'm not going to see my girl for another month, so got some time. I just hope I'm back on track soon. I like what you said, good mental thing knowing you got some help. Thanks for that.
Ever noticed any lessed effect after taking for a few weeks? or is it pretty consistent? 5 daily vs. 20 as needed? Thoughts?
Thanks again my friend Everyone here has been great. I'm so messed up over this is crazy. I can't thank everyone enough.

 

[Nordic Fusion]

Unconventional approach, but until you get bloodwork I'd take Cialis a couple times just to break the cycle of not being able to do it. IMO sometimes the psychological aspect is worse. It's possible you did do something to crash your libido, but now you can't stop thinking about it every time and have created a placebo effect.

Not discrediting others solid information on this thread. Just shining some light on how you can psych yourself out. This definitely happened to me before in the past.

Goodluck, brother
NF

 

[Luxferro]

Ok. THANK YOU. This at least gives me some hope. I'll try the Arimidex. Do you have an idea of the time it could take? I only took it for 2-3wks. But, it's only been about 1 since I quit.
My girl had to go-to Europe for work. She's been there a few months and I'm going to see her in a month. I'm so scared my parts won't work.
Should Cialis/Viagra be effective overcoming this if there are still issues?
Thanks again, this was super helpful.

In test subjects that were given oral Dbol, it resulted in a 69% (lol) reduction of baseline testosterone. The guys saw a full HPTA recovery back to baseline in 6-8 weeks. I reckon it would probably take you around 3-4 weeks to start feeling better. We know that the HPTA is a bit slow to recover even once all the hormones clear the bloodstream. That probably means the drug cleared in 3-4 weeks and it took 3-4 additional weeks for the HPTA to bounce back.

As NordicFusion pointed out, you can use Cialis or Viagra in the meantime. Don’t make this a big deal though. A lot of ED issues are psychologically exacerbated to some extent.

Other things that can help tremendously with libido:

1) Abstain from watching porn or masturbating. This will make your sex drive higher
2) Take a low dose of P5P (like 50 mg) to lower prolactin a bit

 

[JE25]

Thanks Again!!! I'm hoping the Cialis will overcome whatever is going on. I'm not going to see my girl for another month, so got some time. I just hope I'm back on track soon. I like what you said, good mental thing knowing you got some help. Thanks for that.
Ever noticed any lessed effect after taking for a few weeks? or is it pretty consistent? 5 daily vs. 20 as needed? Thoughts?
Thanks again my friend Everyone here has been great. I'm so messed up over this is crazy. I can't thank everyone enough.

No worries man, honestly I’m new to this forum also and it’s definitely one of the best ran and overall friendly ones I’ve been on. I started using the 5’s for the pump at the gym then discovered the 20’s. We called them the weekend warrior, you take one and you’re pretty set for the weekend. Definitely helps taking away any anxiety especially if you’ve got a new lady. The only sides I had were the back pumps, usually started around the 40mg mark within 5-6 days. I also had trouble getting a cut to stop bleeding on my arm while running higher doses, but that’s it! I’ve definitely lived a better sex life since getting my hands on them.
I honestly think once you get you E levels back in check and get everything else balanced out you’ll be good to go!

 

[Luxferro]

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No worries man, honestly I’m new to this forum also and it’s definitely one of the best ran and overall friendly ones I’ve been on. I started using the 5’s for the pump at the gym then discovered the 20’s. We called them the weekend warrior, you take one and you’re pretty set for the weekend. Definitely helps taking away any anxiety especially if you’ve got a new lady. The only sides I had were the back pumps, usually started around the 40mg mark within 5-6 days. I also had trouble getting a cut to stop bleeding on my arm while running higher doses, but that’s it! I’ve definitely lived a better sex life since getting my hands on them.
I honestly think once you get you E levels back in check and get everything else balanced out you’ll be good to go!

I unfortunately can’t run any cialis at all. The stuffy nose and indigestion is horrible for me even at 7 mg lol

 

[JE25]

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I unfortunately can’t run any cialis at all. The stuffy nose and indigestion is horrible for me even at 7 mg lol

That’s crazy, I’ve never had anything like that, it definitely just shows how different we all are.

 

[Luxferro]

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That’s crazy, I’ve never had anything like that, it definitely just shows how different we all are.

Yep! Just like E2 sweet spots and even individual responses to anabolics. I’m slowly finding out that I can’t tolerate an E2 that’s beyond even 30 pg/mL lol.

 

[Middleage]

Unconventional approach, but until you get bloodwork I'd take Cialis a couple times just to break the cycle of not being able to do it. IMO sometimes the psychological aspect is worse. It's possible you did do something to crash your libido, but now you can't stop thinking about it every time and have created a placebo effect.

Not discrediting others solid information on this thread. Just shining some light on how you can psych yourself out. This definitely happened to me before in the past.

Goodluck, brother
NF

Absolutely.. Thanks. Definitely right about the psych. Especially me. I've become so worried it's crazy. I'm definitely going to break this with the meds. Really appreciate the thoughts

 

[Middleage]

In test subjects that were given oral Dbol, it resulted in a 69% (lol) reduction of baseline testosterone. The guys saw a full HPTA recovery back to baseline in 6-8 weeks. I reckon it would probably take you around 3-4 weeks to start feeling better. We know that the HPTA is a bit slow to recover even once all the hormones clear the bloodstream. That probably means the drug cleared in 3-4 weeks and it took 3-4 additional weeks for the HPTA to bounce back.

As NordicFusion pointed out, you can use Cialis or Viagra in the meantime. Don’t make this a big deal though. A lot of ED issues are psychologically exacerbated to some extent.

Other things that can help tremendously with libido:

1) Abstain from watching porn or masturbating. This will make your sex drive higher
2) Take a low dose of P5P (like 50 mg) to lower prolactin a bit

Huge Thanks. This makes perfect sense. After only a little over a week, my ankles aren't nearly as swollen. That bloat is how I knew it wasn't winny in the first place. I can already tell a little improvement. It sounds about right that a few weeks to clear, theme a little more to get baseline back. I actually just started p5p today.
As some guys said I plan to use the Cialis to at least try to break this mental block I now have.
Thx again

 

[Middleage]

No worries man, honestly I’m new to this forum also and it’s definitely one of the best ran and overall friendly ones I’ve been on. I started using the 5’s for the pump at the gym then discovered the 20’s. We called them the weekend warrior, you take one and you’re pretty set for the weekend. Definitely helps taking away any anxiety especially if you’ve got a new lady. The only sides I had were the back pumps, usually started around the 40mg mark within 5-6 days. I also had trouble getting a cut to stop bleeding on my arm while running higher doses, but that’s it! I’ve definitely lived a better sex life since getting my hands on them.
I honestly think once you get you E levels back in check and get everything else balanced out you’ll be good to go!

Thanks again brother.
You guys have all been awesome around here. I already feel a little more at ease. Weekend Warrior...lol love it. I've taken Viagra before but it's a tough one to time right. I think the Cialis will be way better.
I think you're right, once I can get this E under control should be ok... I hope.
Just wanted to thank you again. Really helpful