"Everyone is on steroids" rant

[ForgotMuhName]

It seems like every day I see some new transformation post by someone online and half the comments are accusing them of using gear to achieve it. Doesn’t matter where they started or ended up or what they looked like in the middle, people just always default to “steroids”. Shit is so fucking stupid. Any male below 20% body fat is accused of steroids. Any woman below 25% is accused of steroids. Anyone who can squat/bench/dead more than 315/225/405 is accused of steroids.

I don’t fucking understand how people can be this ridiculously fucking retarded. They go to the gym once or twice a month and eat like total assholes and never make any progress so then they just bash anyone’s progress whatsoever by claiming all of it has to just be gear. Which I guess needs mentioning but I know you all understand already that apparently as soon as you’re viewed as being on steroids you immediately lose any credibility in the eyes of all the retarded masses because obviously if you inject Tren once you just wake up jacked and shredded with a 2000lb total and never had to work for it at all. Totally. 100%

I don’t have a real point to this just ranting because it bothers the piss out of me and I assume a forum full of dudes and women on gear can relate a bit.

 

[appropionate]

you’re making the classic mistake: looking at what people post online. get off insta, facebook etc., it drains your time and brain and gives you nothing in exchange.

 

[EpicFlash]

You are also preaching to the choir bro. If any group of people know how much work and dedication it takes to achieve what we achieve, it is US. To a certain extent, most, if not all of us on these forums, already know that to get bigger/better/more shredded, etc… has less to do with the gear and more to do with training/diet/dedication…etc… The haters of the world will hate on anyone that shows better results than them. Those are the same guys/girls at the gym who spend an hour bro benching with their buddies and then go to chipotle after their “massive chest day” and wonder why juicers look better than them. Idk…maybe cuz when I’m at the gym, I don’t touch my phone…rarely train with a partner unless I need a spot…can get a workout in in less than 1:15 with 15 plus sets (depending on body parts being worked)
So I’m with you… hell I even watched a vid on Mike O tren that changed my opinion on him… guys been at this 30 years and has god given genetics… who cares what he does…he has spent a. Lifetime of dedication to getting where he is.

 

[Dexter]

It depends on the age of the people you’re looking at. Myself heading towards 50 no matter how much I diet will not have any strength without gear. My strength is completely gotten from the needle.

A T level of 200 or below had me feeling like dog shit. I won’t be so stupid as to claim that AAS isn’t a major part of being strong.

I don’t feel guilty at all using the needle to keep my strength and energy, I look around at the gym and I know who’s using and who isn’t and there are guys that believe they can get big when they walk into the gym with chicken wing arms, you know that they’re gonna work their ass off to get anywhere, then you pull them over the side and explain how it all works, a year later they make a lot of progress.

Strength gains are rapid with high dosed AAS, natural can’t touch it. Lets be totally honest.

 

[MikeAlstott]

“You stop explaining yourself when you realize people only understand from their level of perception.” -Jim Carrey

 

[2scoopzftw]

I hate when people just think steroids is cheating. They don’t even consider the fact that people are extremely dedicated with all other aspects of training and nutrition and use them to get to that next level. They flush all that down the drain and just assume “oh pfhhh I can look like that too if I was on steroids” when I’m reality you can’t.

I’m a noob but I also realize I’ll never look like a top IFBB pro no matter what I take. People don’t see to get that.

 

[Dexter]

Pro bodybuilders have incredible discipline. They go through torture to accomplish what they do.

However there’s always gonna be people that put it down because of the model aspect. Power lifters don’t get the same bullshit thrown at them because they don’t care as much about aesthetics, most people would just see them as big fat hairy guys that are really strong, this fits in the norms of what is acceptable.

Lets be honest many serious body builders sort of did it to themselves with bad PR. Go into any gym and often the biggest most shredded guy is walking around hyper focused on what he’s doing, closed off and unapproachable, a tren induced personality. It doesn’t exactly endear them to the public.

Arrogance in any aspect of life is gonna cause a certain percentage of people to resent. Body builders need to relax, chat it up, help other people out, be more approachable, that’s how you win people to accept AAS and bodybuilding as just one small aspect of their life as opposed to defining the entire person. Some body builders are one dimensional, they need to expand and broaden their life experience and interests.

 

[CR1970]

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Pro bodybuilders have incredible discipline. They go through torture to accomplish what they do.

However there’s always gonna be people that put it down because of the model aspect. Power lifters don’t get the same bullshit thrown at them because they don’t care as much about aesthetics, most people would just see them as big fat hairy guys that are really strong, this fits in the norms of what is acceptable.

Lets be honest many serious body builders sort of did it to themselves with bad PR. Go into any gym and often the biggest most shredded guy is walking around hyper focused on what he’s doing, closed off and unapproachable, a tren induced personality. It doesn’t exactly endear them to the public.

Arrogance in any aspect of life is gonna cause a certain percentage of people to resent. Body builders need to relax, chat it up, help other people out, be more approachable, that’s how you win people to accept AAS and bodybuilding as just one small aspect of their life as opposed to defining the entire person. Some body builders are one dimensional, they need to expand and broaden their life experience and interests.

I like this ^^^^

 

[appropionate]

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Pro bodybuilders have incredible discipline. They go through torture to accomplish what they do.

I’d agree that they suffer, mostly though to the various/accumulative side effects of the gear and being so heavy in the off-season.

Discipline not so much - haven’t seen BB dieting like Yates or as dry as the top 3 during most of the 90’s since, which isn’t solely due to the restrained use of diuretics but because they lack the willpower.

 

[Dexter]

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Dexter" pid='82390' dateline='1582222124:

Pro bodybuilders have incredible discipline. They go through torture to accomplish what they do.

I’d agree that they suffer, mostly though to the various/accumulative side effects of the gear and being so heavy in the off-season.

Discipline not so much - haven’t seen BB dieting like Yates or as dry as the top 3 during most of the 90’s since, which isn’t solely due to the restrained use of diuretics but because they lack the willpower.

I’ll be the first to state that body builders of the later 70’s into the 90’s looked vastly better than than what passes today.

The discipline today is more geared towards letting drugs do the work and less on obsessing over every aspect of their look like say the guys did back in prior decades.

I’ve been on record saying that I think modern body builders look like huge piles of shit compared to the golden eras.

 

[ForgotMuhName]

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Dexter" pid='82390' dateline='1582222124:

Pro bodybuilders have incredible discipline. They go through torture to accomplish what they do.

I’d agree that they suffer, mostly though to the various/accumulative side effects of the gear and being so heavy in the off-season.

Discipline not so much - haven’t seen BB dieting like Yates or as dry as the top 3 during most of the 90’s since, which isn’t solely due to the restrained use of diuretics but because they lack the willpower.

I’ll be the first to state that body builders of the later 70’s into the 90’s looked vastly better than than what passes today.

The discipline today is more geared towards letting drugs do the work and less on obsessing over every aspect of their look like say the guys did back in prior decades.

I’ve been on record saying that I think modern body builders look like huge piles of shit compared to the golden eras.

The modern guys are trying to carry way too much mass. If the top 10 guys dropped 20 pounds they would all come in ridiculously leann and hard but they’re all so afraid to drop any size it seems.

Also it’s only become apparent in the past decade or so but it seems like guys actually look better about 2-4 weeks out than they do on stage. None of the top guys look nearly as good on stage as they do in prep photos.

 

[appropionate]

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The modern guys are trying to carry way too much mass.

They’re not more massive than any of the mass monsters during that era at least during the first half of their careers (Yates, Jay, Ronnie to name a few of the best examples).

They just suck at dieting nowadays, especially the US pro’s - the middle eastern ones are doing a better job mostly.

 

[ironjuice]

One might also argue that the quality of available PEDs has decreased tenfold.

 

[HeathGT]

ironjuice" pid='82499' dateline='1582308219:

One might also argue that the quality of available PEDs has decreased tenfold.

How has the quality of PEDS decreased? If anything I would think the opposite?

 

[Dexter]

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ironjuice" pid='82499' dateline='1582308219:

One might also argue that the quality of available PEDs has decreased tenfold.

How has the quality of PEDS decreased? If anything I would think the opposite?

Purity doesn’t necessarily prove what is pure works as well as what those old timers rave about that you could get up until the early 90’s. Most of these guys talk about the selection of German made products.

I’d much rather have my gear made in Germany, a country known for engineering than China, but China is what we’re stuck with.

 

[ForgotMuhName]

Dexter" pid='82546' dateline='1582338734:

HeathGT" pid='82524' dateline='1582328519:

ironjuice" pid='82499' dateline='1582308219:

One might also argue that the quality of available PEDs has decreased tenfold.

How has the quality of PEDS decreased? If anything I would think the opposite?

Purity doesn’t necessarily prove what is pure works as well as what those old timers rave about that you could get up until the early 90’s. Most of these guys talk about the selection of German made products.

I’d much rather have my gear made in Germany, a country known for engineering than China, but China is what we’re stuck with.

Is it possible that the methods of brewing up gear and pressing pills were different then? Potentially manufacturers were including other ingredients that helped in some way to get the drug into the body more effectively? I know very little on homebrewing outside of what a few tutorial threads have posted, but it definitely strikes me as odd that guys would rave about how great a small amount of Dbol or 70mg of Tren was and now we see guys running no less than like 100mg of Dbol and 300mg Tren weekly it seems and for less results!

 

[Dexter]

ForgotMuhName" pid='82564' dateline='1582358783:

Is it possible that the methods of brewing up gear and pressing pills were different then? Potentially manufacturers were including other ingredients that helped in some way to get the drug into the body more effectively? I know very little on homebrewing outside of what a few tutorial threads have posted, but it definitely strikes me as odd that guys would rave about how great a small amount of Dbol or 70mg of Tren was and now we see guys running no less than like 100mg of Dbol and 300mg Tren weekly it seems and for less results!

I’m not certain what the difference is either. I lift with some older guys that talk about the quality of German gear compared to the stuff available today, these were guys that competed back in the 80’s and early 90’s. Keeping in mind it was Germany that really was on the forefront of steroid development starting back in the mid 30’s.

Communist East Germany was dedicated to doping, they poured a lot of effort into it and I wish someone would do the same in the United States. I’m convinced if America would make this a national priority we to could have the finest gear in the world.

When we talk about something being 98% pure. That doesn’t necessarily mean 98% quality product. So these HPLC reports, what do they really mean. I don’t know if they are being compared to a standard established decades in the past when steroids were produced by western pharma companies.

 

[Booger]

a 20 year old taking test responds better than a dude at 30. 30 responds better than 40. 40 better than at 50yrs old.
aint no such thing as almost testosterone. no such thang as sorta tren. is or aint.

 

[2scoopzftw]

ForgotMuhName" pid='82564' dateline='1582358783:

Dexter" pid='82546' dateline='1582338734:

HeathGT" pid='82524' dateline='1582328519:

ironjuice" pid='82499' dateline='1582308219:

One might also argue that the quality of available PEDs has decreased tenfold.

How has the quality of PEDS decreased? If anything I would think the opposite?

Purity doesn’t necessarily prove what is pure works as well as what those old timers rave about that you could get up until the early 90’s. Most of these guys talk about the selection of German made products.

I’d much rather have my gear made in Germany, a country known for engineering than China, but China is what we’re stuck with.

Is it possible that the methods of brewing up gear and pressing pills were different then? Potentially manufacturers were including other ingredients that helped in some way to get the drug into the body more effectively? I know very little on homebrewing outside of what a few tutorial threads have posted, but it definitely strikes me as odd that guys would rave about how great a small amount of Dbol or 70mg of Tren was and now we see guys running no less than like 100mg of Dbol and 300mg Tren weekly it seems and for less results!

Being a fan of BB and looking at guys in the 90s vs today I personally think the quality of drugs argument gets blown a little bit out of proportion. I am sure that its a factor, no question but I also think there are several other factors that people don’t really talk about that come into play as well.

1. It was much harder to turn pro back in the 80s and 90s, therefore you would only see guys who were the most genetically elite. Now getting a pro card is much easier in comparison and therefore, we see guys now that maybe we would have never seen on an Olympia stage back in the 90s. I think you had a much deeper line up in the 80s / 90s.
2. I think guys would diet and train much harder in the 90s than they do today. I think some guys today try to focus more on the science aspect of training and get too caught up and don’t train hard enough by overthinking the diet and training aspect. For example, Tom Platz would go in and say something like “I gotta give it everything I got, its life or death in the gym”, where as now when you see a pro talking its more about “Yeah I like to go in and see how that muscle is feeling today. I noticed that if I twist my wrist a little more at the top of the curl it really hits my biceps a bit harder”. This is just my observation, I could be wrong but just throwing it out there.
3. In my opinion the biggest contributor now with guys is following coaches / gurus and not putting in the real work. More specifically, trying to follow certain “protocols” and letting that do the work rather than just dieting harder. I feel like now guys aren’t dieting as hard, in combination of following certain protocols of water / carb loading and thinking thats whats most important when in reality if you just buckle down and diet harder you’d probably look better.

Like I said, I am sure quality of drugs was better, but I think these factors above have more to do with it than the drugs.

Just my 2 cents.