dudebro73" pid='61847' dateline='1563733233:
FFMI and the ‘natty limit’ is junk science. Greg Nuckols tore it and the so-called research paper that spawned it a new asshole long ago:
https://gregnuckols.com/2016/12/11/ffmi/
Did you read the paper at all? Or the thread? Or the post that you linked? Or do you have any background about the topic?
The whole post you linked, and much of the debate about FFMI, is about the natty limit on FFMI. It has long been understood (by most people anyway) that there have been, and could still possibly be, people who have very high FFMIs that weren’t on AAS.
AAS were not invented an guys were routinely over their ‘natty limit’. That doesn’t discredit the analysis or FFMI; nor does it undermine the notion that people on AAS have a higher FFMI than a normal person.
All it says is: People who are not using AAS don’e have some hard “natty limit” as certain people keep repeating. There are going to be plenty of people over time who exceed this limit. From his article:
So in summation: stop talking about the “natty limit.” Just stop it. Odds are very low someone hit it before the advent of steroids, and now that steroids exist and drug tests are imperfect, we’ll never know for sure what it is (or even if it exists as any sort of hard limit in the first place). As such, the entire concept is a silly construct that’s unproven and likely unprovable, and if it exists in the first place, no one has any earthly idea where it is.
He isn’t arguing that FFMI is fake, a falsehood, or a waste of analytical time. He is just saying that basing your “natty limit” around your max FFMI is dumb as fuck; and I am sure a lot of people here can attest to that.