Filters

[Rricks1970]

I’ve homebrewed Test cyp, Sustanon, Deca and Tren. I have never filtered. I open pour my sterile 10ml vials and cap them

What are y’all filtering for? I’m curious why everyone seems so OCD about filtering.

 

[Dteran61]

I’ve homebrewed Test cyp, Sustanon, Deca and Tren. I have never filtered. I open pour my sterile 10ml vials and cap them

What are y’all filtering for? I’m curious why everyone seems so OCD about filtering.

How do you know then your brew is sterile or has no “garbage” in it?

 

[Rricks1970]

How do you know then your brew is sterile or has no “garbage” in it?

What “garbage” would it have?

I mix in sterile glass container and pour into sterile vial then cap with sterile stoppers. Plus I’m not doing this in a cow barn I’m inside a clean kitchen with the exhaust fan going.

I have never had any problems with those painful lumps ( from my home brew) after injection and never had any infection at an injection sight.

 

[Dteran61]

What “garbage” would it have?

I mix in sterile glass container and pour into sterile vial then cap with sterile stoppers. Plus I’m not doing this in a cow barn I’m inside a clean kitchen with the exhaust fan going.

I have never had any problems with those painful lumps ( from my home brew) after injection and never had any infection at an injection sight.

Dust particles. But I see your point. How do you sterilize the stoppers?

 

[Rricks1970]

Dust particles. But I see your point. How do you sterilize the stoppers?

I drop them in boiling water with the glass vials. The rubber stoppers can stand the high temp. I let them roll around in the water for a few minutes then drain them on an isopropyl alcohol soaked cloth then cover with another alcohol soaked cloth until needed. (These cloths will dry out pretty quickly as the alcohol evaporates ) It might be overkill if you have a super clean kitchen “lab” The benzyl alcohol and benzyl bezoate in the solution prevent and unwanted bacteria from growing in your home brew.

My experience with other home brewers is they have more trouble with their solution precipitating out into crystals in the vials than they do with contaminants.

 

[Dteran61]

You dont worry if those cloths will have a piece of lint on the stopper?

I drop them in boiling water with the glass vials. The rubber stoppers can stand the high temp. I let them roll around in the water for a few minutes then drain them on an isopropyl alcohol soaked cloth then cover with another alcohol soaked cloth until needed. (These cloths will dry out pretty quickly as the alcohol evaporates ) It might be overkill if you have a super clean kitchen “lab” The benzyl alcohol and benzyl bezoate in the solution prevent and unwanted bacteria from growing in your home brew.

My experience with other home brewers is they have more trouble with their solution precipitating out into crystals in the vials than they do with contaminant

 

[Rricks1970]

You dont worry if those cloths will have a piece of lint on the stopper?

No. You can use surgical gauze if your worried. Surgeons use them all inside you to mop up blood during surgery without worry of leaving lint.

 

[Dteran61]

No. You can use surgical gauze if your worried. Surgeons use them all inside you to mop up blood during surgery without worry of leaving lint.

So im new to this homebrew shit and possibly over thinking. I bought silicone stoppers. Should I wash them good with alochol and bake them for a while or no need for it? Lets say if I keep them in an alcohol solution until each capping can I do it that way, pull one out and cap? Will a drop of that alcohol do anything bad to the injection liquid?

 

[Rricks1970]

So im new to this homebrew shit and possibly over thinking. I bought silicone stoppers. Should I wash them good with alochol and bake them for a while or no need for it? Lets say if I keep them in an alcohol solution until each capping can I do it that way, pull one out and cap? Will a drop of that alcohol do anything bad to the injection liquid?

You can drop them into boiling water for a few minutes to sterilize them. I wouldn’t recommend baking them.

You can keep them in an alcohol solution until you cap the vial. The amount of alcohol introduced into the vial would be minuscule. Just make sure you are including benzyl alcohol and benzyl benzonate in your solution to prevent contamination while your vials are in storage. There are recipes galore on the internet for various steroids.

 

[Dteran61]

Yeah im just going to start with test. I have some vials that I want to filter from someone so what I was planniing on doing is the oil then get sterile vials and go through the stopper after filled pull the cap and stopper and re stopper it with afresh one and cap it completely sealed.

 

[Rricks1970]

Yeah im just going to start with test. I have some vials that I want to filter from someone so what I was planniing on doing is the oil then get sterile vials and go through the stopper after filled pull the cap and stopper and re stopper it with afresh one and cap it completely sealed.

That sounds like a good plan. You do what you feel comfortable with…especially for your first batches. You can’t err on the side of caution.

 

[Dteran61]

That sounds like a good plan. You do what you feel comfortable with…especially for your first batches. You can’t err on the side of caution.

Thanks brother! If I need help can I pm you?

 

[Rricks1970]

Thanks brother! If I need help can I pm you?

Sure.

 

[That Guy]

There's a way to pm here? I couldn't find how.

 

[psauce]

One problem is exposure to air. Anything that is open in the air is exposed to what is essentially a microbial rain. A single breath contains tens to hundreds of thousands of microbes, and your lungs aren't the ultimate source -- it's what you've breathed in from outside (though the lungs do have a microbiome, we've come to understand). A typical bacterial cell has a mass of about a picogram, which is 10^-12 grams... it doesn't take much air movement to keep it aloft. If you don't believe that, you can buy mold test plates from the hardware store -- just pop em open and leave them on the counter where you typically work.

This impacts everything that you handle in open air. That means the carrier oil, the vials, the caps, and so forth. Anything that's been sterilized that's open in the air is now no longer sterile.

Filtration removes this because anything that goes into the vial passes the filter -- if your oil was opened in the air, who cares, cause it won't pass the filter. Another way to do it is what microbiologists do, which is to work under a flame. If you light a candle, the hot air rises and forms an effective curtain over the area you're working. Again, since these are insanely light particles that we're talking about (even 'heavier' stuff like dust) will just be diverted along the convection current. That won't remove any impurities already in your oil or raw compounds, but it will minimize the contamination associated with handling them.

 

[Dteran61]

One problem is exposure to air. Anything that is open in the air is exposed to what is essentially a microbial rain. A single breath contains tens to hundreds of thousands of microbes, and your lungs aren't the ultimate source -- it's what you've breathed in from outside (though the lungs do have a microbiome, we've come to understand). A typical bacterial cell has a mass of about a picogram, which is 10^-12 grams... it doesn't take much air movement to keep it aloft. If you don't believe that, you can buy mold test plates from the hardware store -- just pop em open and leave them on the counter where you typically work.

This impacts everything that you handle in open air. That means the carrier oil, the vials, the caps, and so forth. Anything that's been sterilized that's open in the air is now no longer sterile.

Filtration removes this because anything that goes into the vial passes the filter -- if your oil was opened in the air, who cares, cause it won't pass the filter. Another way to do it is what microbiologists do, which is to work under a flame. If you light a candle, the hot air rises and forms an effective curtain over the area you're working. Again, since these are insanely light particles that we're talking about (even 'heavier' stuff like dust) will just be diverted along the convection current. That won't remove any impurities already in your oil or raw compounds, but it will minimize the contamination associated with handling them.

Thats super interesting, how do I do this? My wife has a bunch of bath and body candles do I iust light them all around?

 

[That Guy]

Or just get the right filters.

 

[Rricks1970]

One problem is exposure to air. Anything that is open in the air is exposed to what is essentially a microbial rain. A single breath contains tens to hundreds of thousands of microbes, and your lungs aren't the ultimate source -- it's what you've breathed in from outside (though the lungs do have a microbiome, we've come to understand). A typical bacterial cell has a mass of about a picogram, which is 10^-12 grams... it doesn't take much air movement to keep it aloft. If you don't believe that, you can buy mold test plates from the hardware store -- just pop em open and leave them on the counter where you typically work.

This impacts everything that you handle in open air. That means the carrier oil, the vials, the caps, and so forth. Anything that's been sterilized that's open in the air is now no longer sterile.

Filtration removes this because anything that goes into the vial passes the filter -- if your oil was opened in the air, who cares, cause it won't pass the filter. Another way to do it is what microbiologists do, which is to work under a flame. If you light a candle, the hot air rises and forms an effective curtain over the area you're working. Again, since these are insanely light particles that we're talking about (even 'heavier' stuff like dust) will just be diverted along the convection current. That won't remove any impurities already in your oil or raw compounds, but it will minimize the contamination associated with handling them.

That’s what the benzyl alcohol and benzyl benzoate are for. To prevent unwanted bacterial growth.

 

[BBQgainz]

I bought one of those glass vacuum filters off amazon with the .22 um filters. I also bought a hand pump to get it under pressure. The whole setup was like $100 or something.

I filtered 100ml in like 2 min. 10/10 would recommend.

I also bought one of those magnetic hot plates for heating/stirring. It was like $60 and totally worth it.

 

[That Guy]

If your decide to eventually ramp up and become a source, can I suggest the name "Sweet Baby Gainz BBQ Sauce" you already know what the labels are going to look like