First Cycle, thoughts?

[thenamechanger]

23 Years Old
5 Years training (First 3 were trial and error, last 2 have been all-out)
5'10, 180lbs
11-12% Bodyfat, is what I would roughly put myself at

I plan on doing a cycle as I have noticed that my progression in the gym has begun to slow down, and for the longest time I've been debating on whether or not to go toward the 'enhanced' route, and today is the day I decided to make that decision

I won't be doing my first cycle right away, however, I am going to wait until I have all of my stuff on hand and when proper bloodwork is done as well (plan on doing an online blood test, and once I get that back and get it checked out by a doctor I'll go ahead from there)

My first cycle will be as followed;
150mg Test Cypionate, every 3 days (Monday - Thursday) for a total of 300mg a Week, for 12 Weeks
I plan on getting Tamoxifen as well, as to have a way to combat estrogenic sides just in case they do end up happening

The supplements I'll also be taking is Organ Support and Liv.52, as I want to be rather cautious with my organs and I don't want to be pinning extra stuff into my body just yet, as this is my first cycle

I was also thinking of possibly cruising after my blast, around 125-150mg per week, would that be a good idea after a first cycle?
Any feedback would be appreciated, thank you

 

[JamesDoe350]

i would start lower since youre only 180 with little BF. personally i would try 200 then step it up in a few weeks. i THINK the "recommend" amount is 1mg per pound? but blasting at 300 is fine. but when you blast at 300 and week 6-8 comes around and your "gains stop" youll want to go up. lol

youre right on bloodwork. get it done naturally then run your cycle and mid way through get it again and then check e2 levels. personally, i wouldnt and dont run AI. they are hard on your system. unless you know a good bit about them, you have no clue how much to take to get your e2 where you want them. crashing e2 is a health concern cause all the benefits on estrogen.

IMO if youre only running injectable gear, not much of a need to organ support. you really want to watch BP. again thats my opinion, someone will probably attack me for that.

12 weeks is kinda short, itll take 4 weeks for it to "kick in" then you only have 8 weeks on training at 100%. i ran my first cycle for 18 weeks. i would have var, npp, or a second fast acting compound on hand because youll "hit a wall" and not make progress and be upset and want to up the test vs running another anabolic compound.

cruising is, thankfully, becoming more popular now. but i think the dose you run depends on you and your blast dose. if youre blasting at 300, like you stated and then monday you start a trt, youre going to have issues. i personally get acne really bad but thats because im dumb and just come off without ai and without stepping down. i stepped down this time and i have very little problems. i would get ready to come off then do 1ml, .75ml, and so on till you hit what your comfortable with.

keep us up to date and good luck. watch your diet and BP. if you dont have a cuff yet to monitor bp then youre going to need one

 

[deathcore]

While I don’t recommend doing gear at your age and there’s still more you can add to your frame naturally, it’s good to see you’re making the attempt to prepare well before you start your cycle. A few suggestions:

1) get an AI regardless
2) stick with 3-400mgs all the way
3) pin twice a week
4) don’t add any other compounds
5) kick your cycle out to 14-16 weeks if possible
6) there will be no need to up your test, if ‘gains stop’ or ‘hit a wall’ it’s all due to diet/training
7) cycling/cruising is very risky, be prepared to be on TRT for the rest of your life
8) cruise/trt dose is going to depend on bloodwork, will take a few tries to get it right

 

[thenamechanger]

While I don’t recommend doing gear at your age and there’s still more you can add to your frame naturally, it’s good to see you’re making the attempt to prepare well before you start your cycle. A few suggestions:

1) get an AI regardless
2) stick with 3-400mgs all the way
3) pin twice a week
4) don’t add any other compounds
5) kick your cycle out to 14-16 weeks if possible
6) there will be no need to up your test, if ‘gains stop’ or ‘hit a wall’ it’s all due to diet/training
7) cycling/cruising is very risky, be prepared to be on TRT for the rest of your life
8) cruise/trt dose is going to depend on bloodwork, will take a few tries to get it right

So for my first cycle, would you recommend me do a PCT for my first time, rather than cruising?
I heard from multiple sources that cruising is the 'way-to-go' when it comes to bodybuilding, as that constant surplus of testosterone is always helping with muscle recovery and protein synthesis, and I also heard from other sources that doing a PCT is pointless because of the negative sides you get while doing it.
So if possible, could I pin 300iu of HCG EOD while settling down with my cruise (as mentioned above, slowly drop the mL weekly instead of going straight from 300mg -> 125mg), or would you ABSOLUTELY recommend a PCT for a first time?

 

[thenamechanger]

i would start lower since youre only 180 with little BF. personally i would try 200 then step it up in a few weeks. i THINK the "recommend" amount is 1mg per pound? but blasting at 300 is fine. but when you blast at 300 and week 6-8 comes around and your "gains stop" youll want to go up. lol

youre right on bloodwork. get it done naturally then run your cycle and mid way through get it again and then check e2 levels. personally, i wouldnt and dont run AI. they are hard on your system. unless you know a good bit about them, you have no clue how much to take to get your e2 where you want them. crashing e2 is a health concern cause all the benefits on estrogen.

IMO if youre only running injectable gear, not much of a need to organ support. you really want to watch BP. again thats my opinion, someone will probably attack me for that.

12 weeks is kinda short, itll take 4 weeks for it to "kick in" then you only have 8 weeks on training at 100%. i ran my first cycle for 18 weeks. i would have var, npp, or a second fast acting compound on hand because youll "hit a wall" and not make progress and be upset and want to up the test vs running another anabolic compound.

cruising is, thankfully, becoming more popular now. but i think the dose you run depends on you and your blast dose. if youre blasting at 300, like you stated and then monday you start a trt, youre going to have issues. i personally get acne really bad but thats because im dumb and just come off without ai and without stepping down. i stepped down this time and i have very little problems. i would get ready to come off then do 1ml, .75ml, and so on till you hit what your comfortable with.

keep us up to date and good luck. watch your diet and BP. if you dont have a cuff yet to monitor bp then youre going to need one

Thank you very much for your feedback,

As mentioned prior; for cruising, what would be the difficulties I might face while doing so, if I do end up doing it and don't opt for a PCT instead?
Of course, with cruising, I would get bloods done every 4 weeks, and I also read that adding HCG on-cycle will help keep your testies in-operation (hoping that kinda helps a little bit, haha), and is there any recommended supplements that I should take whilst on cycle?

 

[Musclechemist7]

wheres the tren bro ?

 

[JamesDoe350]

Thank you very much for your feedback,

As mentioned prior; for cruising, what would be the difficulties I might face while doing so, if I do end up doing it and don't opt for a PCT instead?
Of course, with cruising, I would get bloods done every 4 weeks, and I also read that adding HCG on-cycle will help keep your testies in-operation (hoping that kinda helps a little bit, haha), and is there any recommended supplements that I should take whilst on cycle?

i dont want to have kids, im already cut down there at 29. idc if i get shut down cause id be on trt paid for by insurance. lol SOO thats what you need to consider. blasting, from what ive heard, EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT, but some say you can blast for like 5 years straight and come off and recomp. you might run this cycle and get shut down for forever. lol. i dont have an answer on you hcg, i do know a guy who blast tren and test for 2 years straight. sperm count was almost 0, came off 10000 hcg and now his wife is pregnant.

difficulties b&c, again depends on you, but if you blast at 500 or whatever and come off and run a cruise, 75-125, youll just prolong all the sides from blasting. at the end of the day, youre going to pay for whatever you do. eat too much, get fat, run every day get skinny, run steriods from now till you cant youll possibly have an enlarged heart, high bp, no testie function, etc. this is all assuming you ONLY run test and no other compounds on your cruise.

i just take supplements to control blood pressure, fish oils to control cholesterol, other stuff to control nerve function. inj aas, test at low dose runs low risk IMO. if you dont convert heavy dont run AI, if your blood pressure is fine, dont run BP meds, monitor blood sugar too.

all my opinion. someone will attack me for this, but theres plenty of research out that that doesnt support PCT. if you run deca, its in your system for 60+ days. if you pct for 6 weeks thats 42 days. some studies show deca staying in there for 6 months. why come off and PCT for 4-6 weeks when long ester compounds are still in your system. if you came off for 6 months, sure do it. youll loose gains and take steps back if you pct. if you b&c youll possibly run into a FEW more issues, but youll be at 100% constantly.

youll pay for whatever you do. find your own research. run your cycles and see what works best for you. ive b&c since feb of this year and the only time i have issues are on my blast.

 

[movi3star]

If you plan on doing this for a long time, go for the cruising approach. You can always get your natural test to bounce back unless you have some genetic issue. You could always utilize a litle HCG long term to keep the testicles active as well. I personally don't see the point in PCT'ing to just shut yourself down again. Realize there's a risk, make an educated decision and stay healthy. Your MG dosage is spot on, I'm not a fan of super low dose cycles, if you're going to pin you should at least be pushing yourself into supraphysiological territory, but that's just my opinion.

Also, I suggest an AI versus the nolvadex approach, you may prevent binding of the estrogen, but if it estrogen gets way to high, it's better to just knock it down a hair versus prevent binding IMO. I personally don't even see you needing one with your dosing protocol. A little extra estrogen is good for anabolism and cholesterol anyways.

 

[chimpanzee19]

If you plan on doing this for a long time, go for the cruising approach. You can always get your natural test to bounce back unless you have some genetic issue. You could always utilize a litle HCG long term to keep the testicles active as well. I personally don't see the point in PCT'ing to just shut yourself down again. Realize there's a risk, make an educated decision and stay healthy. Your MG dosage is spot on, I'm not a fan of super low dose cycles, if you're going to pin you should at least be pushing yourself into supraphysiological territory, but that's just my opinion.

Also, I suggest an AI versus the nolvadex approach, you may prevent binding of the estrogen, but if it estrogen gets way to high, it's better to just knock it down a hair versus prevent binding IMO. I personally don't even see you needing one with your dosing protocol. A little extra estrogen is good for anabolism and cholesterol anyways.

The most informed approach.

 

[movi3star]

The most informed approach.

Appreciate you my brother!

 

[chimpanzee19]

If I throw in my $0.02 here, I’d personally stay away from Nolva and look towards Raloxifene due to it’s potential to affect your eyes; if you’re going to keep a SERM on hand.

 

[movi3star]

If I throw in my $0.02 here, I’d personally stay away from Nolva and look towards Raloxifene due to it’s potential to affect your eyes; if you’re going to keep a SERM on hand.

Agreed, it's more refined, localized for gyno, and better for health overall!