First real cycle

[nolowt]

Currently:
36 years old, TRT
200mg/week test cyp- 100mg e3d
no adex/aromasin, never needed it and got bloodwork every three months for the first year and a half with the doctor.

I was thinking about adding something like DECA, will probably never go for tren/mast or any of the more exotic compounds I read about here.

Something like
400mg/week test
200mg/week DECA

I am going to order adex/aromasin (I'd like some advice on that if possible as well) and open to any type of feedback w/anything.
I've done a bit of reading but there is no substitute for experience, hoping some smarter people can make sure I don't make a mistake here.

 

[Tcrig]

It is going to depend on how you tolerate things. Mast and primo tend to be "safer" more user friendly in multiple ways. Deca can have some side effects mentally, but in some people, no negatives. The nandrolones-19nors, (tren, deca, npp) in general seem pretty hit or miss.
If u were to want to try one of those, npp maybe, it'll take less time for it to clear if you do have sides.

I would be more partial to going the route of mast, but someone else may say completely otherwise, just note that starting lower and waiting a while before increasing is the "safest" way to go about things, no matter which route you choose. And that orals generally will be more harsh on liver and/or kidneys in general.

Probably best for now to just go to 300 test since you have been on 200, that is 150% of your current dose, and then continue to increase over time provided there aren't any side effects or abnormal health markers.

 

[nolowt]

Thank you brother, I will do some research into mast. I guess I always thought it was harsher, or led to (dramatically) higher blood pressure but maybe I got it confused with equipose. Ill try bumping up to 300mg/week currently and do a bit more reading into the 19-nor.

 

[Tcrig]

Thank you brother, I will do some research into mast. I guess I always thought it was harsher, or led to (dramatically) higher blood pressure but maybe I got it confused with equipose. Ill try bumping up to 300mg/week currently and do a bit more reading into the 19-nor.

Yes, more reading. A ton more. Keep looking. Everything is just my opinion but there are a million more with their own opinions.

 

[jumdumpster]

Thank you brother, I will do some research into mast. I guess I always thought it was harsher, or led to (dramatically) higher blood pressure but maybe I got it confused with equipose. Ill try bumping up to 300mg/week currently and do a bit more reading into the 19-nor.

mast is really tame
eq in my opinion isnt worth running at all unless for a very specific reason
if i were you id add tbol or anavar to your trt
ive used both of those with my cruise dose of 250mg/week test c and really noticed a big difference. var ive ran for as many as 12 weeks, im not sure the max “safe” time you can run tbol but i did love it. ill definitely be using it again.

 

[dick_starbuck]

Deca is a fine choice, but you're probably better off using NPP. Same steroid, nandrolone, but with a shorter ester. This will make it peak sooner and leave faster in case you need to pull the plug early.

 

[Mr_Fusion]

Currently:
36 years old, TRT
200mg/week test cyp- 100mg e3d
no adex/aromasin, never needed it and got bloodwork every three months for the first year and a half with the doctor.

I was thinking about adding something like DECA, will probably never go for tren/mast or any of the more exotic compounds I read about here.

Something like
400mg/week test
200mg/week DECA

I am going to order adex/aromasin (I'd like some advice on that if possible as well) and open to any type of feedback w/anything.
I've done a bit of reading but there is no substitute for experience, hoping some smarter people can make sure I don't make a mistake here.

What are your goals for this cycle? I'm on TRT and just finished my first cycle of 350 test/175 NPP. The strength/size gains are insane with no side effects. I'm getting ready for blood work so I will report back...

 

[jumdumpster]

Deca is a fine choice, but you're probably better off using NPP. Same steroid, nandrolone, but with a shorter ester. This will make it peak sooner and leave faster in case you need to pull the plug early.

i agree npp is really good
and its in and out fast

 

[BBBG]

Currently:
36 years old, TRT
200mg/week test cyp- 100mg e3d
no adex/aromasin, never needed it and got bloodwork every three months for the first year and a half with the doctor.

I was thinking about adding something like DECA, will probably never go for tren/mast or any of the more exotic compounds I read about here.

Something like
400mg/week test
200mg/week DECA

I am going to order adex/aromasin (I'd like some advice on that if possible as well) and open to any type of feedback w/anything.
I've done a bit of reading but there is no substitute for experience, hoping some smarter people can make sure I don't make a mistake here.

You should simply run 400 Test. Save the deca for your next cycle. This will give you an opportunity to see how your body converts superphysiological levels of test to e2.

If you’ve never used an AI then try aromasin. It’s easier on the lipids and also user-friendly. Because of the way it works, it’s very difficult to “crash” your estrogen.

400 mg of test. Run bloods at 6 weeks to see where your e2 is and take the aromasin based off of the bloodwork. Then you’ll be dialed in for future cycles.

 

[nolowt]

What are your goals for this cycle? I'm on TRT and just finished my first cycle of 350 test/175 NPP. The strength/size gains are insane with no side effects. I'm getting ready for blood work so I will report back...

I'm getting older and I had read things about nandrolone helping peoples joints feel better. That's what originally got me thinking about adding a compound or having a real cycle, since being on TRT at least to me feels like what my body should have been doing all these years.

 

[nolowt]

Deca is a fine choice, but you're probably better off using NPP. Same steroid, nandrolone, but with a shorter ester. This will make it peak sooner and leave faster in case you need to pull the plug early.

Ill give it a shot assuming this is the route I end up going, jumdumpster said essentially the same thing. All things being equal I would probably prefer to pin less per week but the tradeoff of the shorter ester if I have sides seems to outweigh that. Appreciate every reply here btw.

 

[dick_starbuck]

Ill give it a shot assuming this is the route I end up going, jumdumpster said essentially the same thing. All things being equal I would probably prefer to pin less per week but the tradeoff of the shorter ester if I have sides seems to outweigh that. Appreciate every reply here btw.

Always pin more than less. Your body makes hormones everyday. And esters don't work as well as you'd think.

I'm a big advocate for daily administration of hormones regardless of ester. Trust me. You'll feel better and have much less instances of side effects.

 

[Infraredline]

I can only speak for myself, but nandrolone didn’t really agree with me and was glad I opted for NPP for the reason others mentioned earlier. Everyone responds differently though and some folks love it.

Regardless of what you opt to do, if you go the route of adding in another compound alongside your test you are already using for your TRT I’d say it’s worth keeping your test dose consistent for at least the first few weeks rather than upping your test dose and adding in something new at the same time. That way, you can get a real feel for how you are responding to the additional compound.

I know probably on the more conservative side, but just my two cents!

 

[Tcrig]

Always pin more than less. Your body makes hormones everyday. And esters don't work as well as you'd think.

I'm a big advocate for daily administration of hormones regardless of ester. Trust me. You'll feel better and have much less instances of side effects.

Also a fan of daily admin

 

[Mr_Fusion]

I'm getting older and I had read things about nandrolone helping peoples joints feel better. That's what originally got me thinking about adding a compound or having a real cycle, since being on TRT at least to me feels like what my body should have been doing all these years.

I’m 58 and my joints are beat to hell from decades of heavy lifting (400+ bench). This was my first cycle and I’m wildly impressed with the joint relief on a 2:1 test/NPP ratio!

 

[nolowt]

You should simply run 400 Test. Save the deca for your next cycle. This will give you an opportunity to see how your body converts superphysiological levels of test to e2.

If you’ve never used an AI then try aromasin. It’s easier on the lipids and also user-friendly. Because of the way it works, it’s very difficult to “crash” your estrogen.

400 mg of test. Run bloods at 6 weeks to see where your e2 is and take the aromasin based off of the bloodwork. Then you’ll be dialed in for future cycles.

I just wanted to circle back and let you know I took your advice (along with a lot of other people here). You helped me in another thread as well and I was going to send you a PM before I realized they weren't enabled on this forum. I went to 360 mg of test and am adding in a very low dose of mast-e. I appreciate all the advice here edit --> I didn't add any deca/npp.

 

[nolowt]

Always pin more than less. Your body makes hormones everyday. And esters don't work as well as you'd think.

I'm a big advocate for daily administration of hormones regardless of ester. Trust me. You'll feel better and have much less instances of side effects.

I started doing EOD pins so I could get used to pinning more often and for the blood level stability reasons you and other people mentioned. There is a bit of a learning curve

 

[nolowt]

I can only speak for myself, but nandrolone didn’t really agree with me and was glad I opted for NPP for the reason others mentioned earlier. Everyone responds differently though and some folks love it.

Regardless of what you opt to do, if you go the route of adding in another compound alongside your test you are already using for your TRT I’d say it’s worth keeping your test dose consistent for at least the first few weeks rather than upping your test dose and adding in something new at the same time. That way, you can get a real feel for how you are responding to the additional compound.

I know probably on the more conservative side, but just my two cents!

I just wanted to say looking back I think this was some fantastic advice and I really appreciate it. I would normally send a DM on another type of forum / discord and just wanted to thank people.

 

[Tcrig]

Thank you for asking for advice, actually using it, and then replying to let us know how it went.

Some of us feel good knowing that we actually can help occasionally.