First time injection questions

[kjax]

I was wondering how my first order sounds. I’m a relatively low bf person (5’11 170lbs) and I had some questions in regards to needle length.

1. I bought the following. 21G for drawing and 25G 1" and 1 1/2" for injecting. Are there any sites where I would want/need to use the 1 1/2" needle length? From reading it seems 1" might be the go to unless you have a really high BF.

BD PrecisionGlide 21G 1" Needle - Box of 25
BD PrecisionGlide 25G 1 1/2" Needle - Box of 25
BD PrecisionGlide 25G 1" Needle - Box of 25
BD Luer Lock 3ml Syringe

1. I’m assuming there will be some PIP given this is virgin muscle, I’m wondering what symptoms would be considered more than just PIP and require medical attention?
2. There seems to be a big debate if debating in Quads is worth it or not? It seems like the easiest place to pin myself but the glutes feel “safer” any advice on first pinning spot for a noob?
3. Will it be obvious if you hit a nerve/blood vessel? What would you rate the pain if you hit one?

 

[mdwilson2011]

You did a lot better than most planning their first cycle. Nicely done.

1. Drawing needle is fine. Use 25g 1" for glutes. Pick up some 27g 1/2" for delts, ventro glute, and pecs. Anything smaller than a 27g will start to get VERY hard to push the oil through with a 3ml syringe.
2. Take sterility very seriously and you don’t need to worry much about true infections. Most of the time, pip is caused by poor injection technique, virgin muscle, or gear crashing in the muscle, or a combination of all three. Don’t be negligent and you won’t need to worry about anything.
3. Don’t pin quads. Risk/reward isn’t worth it. You can explore that option later if you want, but it’s really not smart.
4. Hitting nerves and vessels is rare if you’re using appropriate sized pins for the injection site. Worst pain I had was when I pinned quads. Approximately 8/10. Don’t pin quads.

 

[Dexter]

20g 1" to draw - box of 100 BD PG, $9/100 on ebay. 305175

27g 1/2" for injecting, Nipro qty 100 $10

25g 1" for injecting glutes…this isn’t completely necessary , but it’s good to have them on hand.

BD LL 3ml syringes qty 100, better 200 $30

BD alc swabs, 400qty $13.50 BD swabs are the best, most of the other stuff on the market is too small and thin.

Your gonna need more supplies then this eventually if you become a long term user, but this will get you started. And you need more then 25 needles on hand, you’ll burn through that quickly.

All of these can be bought on ebay.

Pin locations, upper body: side obliques, delts, chest, lats, abs. 27g 1/2"

Lower body: glutes 27g 1/2 or 25g 5/8 or 25g 1"

Places I avoid, legs and ventrogluteal. These are the two areas where pip linger a bit too long for me. Legs are risky and i would suggest avoiding. VG is tricky, you get it in the wrong place and your hip is gonna be aching for days, otherwise it’s safe, but the muscle in both these areas is very dense, shooting oil into dense muscle can come back to bite you.

 

[thallandchill]

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You did a lot better than most planning their first cycle. Nicely done.

1. Drawing needle is fine. Use 25g 1" for glutes. Pick up some 27g 1/2" for delts, ventro glute, and pecs. Anything smaller than a 27g will start to get VERY hard to push the oil through with a 3ml syringe.
2. Take sterility very seriously and you don’t need to worry much about true infections. Most of the time, pip is caused by poor injection technique, virgin muscle, or gear crashing in the muscle, or a combination of all three. Don’t be negligent and you won’t need to worry about anything.
3. Don’t pin quads. Risk/reward isn’t worth it. You can explore that option later if you want, but it’s really not smart.
4. Hitting nerves and vessels is rare if you’re using appropriate sized pins for the injection site. Worst pain I had was when I pinned quads. Approximately 8/10. Don’t pin quads.

I feel like everyone should try and pin their quads at least once or twice to see how it goes.

I pin my quads regularly and haven’t had any serious issues. Some people can, some people can’t but I think in the long run to see which umbrella you fall under.

I’ve gone through blood vessels, and hit a nerve maybe once in my quads, but that was from trying a different area of my quads.

When I first started pinning my quads, I used to put both hands at my sides and pin where the top of my index finger hit on my leg. No issues whatsoever.

While there are a ton of spots to pin all over your body, I feel like the more spots you know you can pin the better. And yes, being able to pin your quads is extremely convenient as they are easy to get to.

 

[dexes]

I highly recommend Ventral Glute injections. Often times dorsal glute is hard to reach, for myself it is nearly impossible to twist like that, even if I do some stretching. The VG site is as smooth as butter with a 27g 1in. Pinning more than 1cc I like to go deeper in the muscle, I have found that especially necessary with oils like DHB. I like the delts for frequent injections. I use a 27g 1/2in pin and it’s great.

The quads can be a nightmare for many people. I personally would stay far away. If you end up hitting a nerve you’re not going to like it, also the pip.

So ventral glute is great
delts are awesome and simple.

I’d start there until you get a little more experienced. If you have more mass on yourself you can do the chest and tris in the future. For myself, I just want to keep it simple.

 

[kjax]

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I highly recommend Ventral Glute injections. Often times dorsal glute is hard to reach, for myself it is nearly impossible to twist like that, even if I do some stretching. The VG site is as smooth as butter with a 27g 1in. Pinning more than 1cc I like to go deeper in the muscle, I have found that especially necessary with oils like DHB. I like the delts for frequent injections. I use a 27g 1/2in pin and it’s great.

The quads can be a nightmare for many people. I personally would stay far away. If you end up hitting a nerve you’re not going to like it, also the pip.

So ventral glute is great
delts are awesome and simple.

I’d start there until you get a little more experienced. If you have more mass on yourself you can do the chest and tris in the future. For myself, I just want to keep it simple.

Thanks, After looking into this I think i’m going to try VG injections as my first site. I plan to do this with a 25G 1" needle.

One question I had (because I’m paranoid) is a 1" needle long enough to hit the sciatic nerve on a very lean person?

 

[Dexter]

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Often times dorsal glute is hard to reach, for myself it is nearly impossible to twist like that, even if I do some stretching.

That problem could be fixed if syringe manufacturers produced their syringes with wider top collars so you could get better leverage for the plunger, that way you could use either hand with no problem and just use a standing mirror.
kjax" pid='67288' dateline='1567542437:

Thanks, After looking into this I think i’m going to try VG injections as my first site. I plan to do this with a 25G 1" needle.

One question I had (because I’m paranoid) is a 1" needle long enough to hit the sciatic nerve on a very lean person?

No you won’t hit the sciatic nerve, it’s buried deep and out of the way of your injections.

I will say this. A 25 5/8" is gonna allow you to get over your fear.

Most of us that have been doing this for a long time transition to smaller and shorter needles. I inject three times a week, sometimes every other day. No way am I going back to 1" needles, with these small needles I can stick all over the place, I could close my eyes and jab myself with a 27g 1/2. However if I’ve got a 1" needle in my hand, I focus on what I’m doing.

There’s no hard rule to any of this, old school, 1", even 1.5", new school with all these fancy needles that are available for cheap, why not take advantage of the technology and embrace your inner pansy.

 

[Fatbricks]

Quads is the only site I’ve injected into and it legit hurts. . I try to avoid it at all costs

 

[thallandchill]

Fatbricks" pid='67300' dateline='1567547214:

Quads is the only site I’ve injected into and it legit hurts. . I try to avoid it at all costs

Where do yall inject ya’lls quads for it to hurt? I bury a 25ga 1-1/2" needle all the way to the hub into mine fairly frequently and have never had it hurt.