First Tren Cycle

[irok]

Hello guys I’m fairly new to AAS and want to run my second cycle so am looking for constructive feedback. First cycle was:

Weeks 1-12 Test E 500 mg / week
Weeks 3-16 12.5 mg Aromasin ED (started after nipples blew up like a f-ing balloon animal, Aromasin helped but didn’t go away until after off test for a couple weeks)
Weeks 13-15 40 mg Nolvadex ED
Weeks 16-18 20 mg Nolvadex ED
Weeks 0, 5, 12 liver panel (all WNL)
Week 13 test panel - 1732 ng/dL (7 days post last pin)

Start of cycle weight was 180, height 70" BF % 18
End cycle at 190 lbs. BF % 16 as measured by dunk tank (did not eat clean at all obviously, just wanted to get stronger and see how test affected me)

Goal for this cycle is cutting, I have been on a clean diet for 8 weeks (use IIFYM and keep w/in recommendations for fat lose) and train twice daily (30 min cardio am, weights in pm). I want to start a tren cycle but am a little nervous about gyno.

I am thinking of the following cycle:

Weeks 1-20 250 mg test e
Weeks 1-2 17.5 mg clen PO ED
Weeks 2-4 35 mg clen PO ED
Weeks 5-6 52.5 mg clen PO ED
Weeks 7-8 70 mg clen PO ED. (clen is for horses … a liquid form … got it from a chick I dated a LONG time ago … any worry about taking a vet formula for horses??)
Weeks 1-10 50 mg Winnie oral
Weeks 11-20 500 mg tren e (should I go down to 250 mg / week split into two injections a week?)
Weeks 1-20 Aromasin 12.5 mg SID
Weeks 21-23 40 mg Nolvadex SID
Weeks 24-26 20 mg Nolvadex SID
Weeks 0, 10, 15 liver panel (wanna be sure Winnie doesn’t fry my liver)
Weeks 1-10 milk thistle PO

Also this is my first post so if I make a mistake with the forum etiquette please let me know.

This is my second time on AAS and the first on Tren and Winnie so advice is welcome. I know to expect night sweats, acne and so on. Had no acne or hairless on test.

Oh, I’m 36 yo BTW in case that matters to anyone.

Thanks for the help and thought guys. irok

 

[Jbruder]

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Hello guys I’m fairly new to AAS and want to run my second cycle so am looking for constructive feedback. First cycle was:

Weeks 1-12 Test E 500 mg / week
Weeks 3-16 12.5 mg Aromasin ED (started after nipples blew up like a f-ing balloon animal, Aromasin helped but didn’t go away until after off test for a couple weeks)
Weeks 13-15 40 mg Nolvadex ED
Weeks 16-18 20 mg Nolvadex ED
Weeks 0, 5, 12 liver panel (all WNL)
Week 13 test panel - 1732 ng/dL (7 days post last pin)

Start of cycle weight was 180, height 70" BF % 18
End cycle at 190 lbs. BF % 16 as measured by dunk tank (did not eat clean at all obviously, just wanted to get stronger and see how test affected me)

Goal for this cycle is cutting, I have been on a clean diet for 8 weeks (use IIFYM and keep w/in recommendations for fat lose) and train twice daily (30 min cardio am, weights in pm). I want to start a tren cycle but am a little nervous about gyno.

I am thinking of the following cycle:

Weeks 1-20 250 mg test e
Weeks 1-2 17.5 mg clen PO ED
Weeks 2-4 35 mg clen PO ED
Weeks 5-6 52.5 mg clen PO ED
Weeks 7-8 70 mg clen PO ED. (clen is for horses … a liquid form … got it from a chick I dated a LONG time ago … any worry about taking a vet formula for horses??)
Weeks 1-10 50 mg Winnie oral
Weeks 11-20 500 mg tren e (should I go down to 250 mg / week split into two injections a week?)
Weeks 1-20 Aromasin 12.5 mg SID
Weeks 21-23 40 mg Nolvadex SID
Weeks 24-26 20 mg Nolvadex SID
Weeks 0, 10, 15 liver panel (wanna be sure Winnie doesn’t fry my liver)
Weeks 1-10 milk thistle PO

Also this is my first post so if I make a mistake with the forum etiquette please let me know.

This is my second time on AAS and the first on Tren and Winnie so advice is welcome. I know to expect night sweats, acne and so on. Had no acne or hairless on test.

Oh, I’m 36 yo BTW in case that matters to anyone.

Thanks for the help and thought guys. irok

Adding way too much shit for your second cycle in my opinion. My advice don’t do tren on your second cycle.

 

[areallyweakguy]

1. Wouldn’t recommend Tren on your second cycle. Too many people run it too early.
2. If you use tren then you should probably get some prami/caber on hand.
3. Don’t use 500mg tren for your first tren experience. 350mg would probably be a better starting point.
4. Tren A would probably be a better choice than Tren E. Just in case you run into problems and need to stop.
5. Winnie for 10 weeks?

This doesn’t seem too well planned out.

 

[DNPstoney]

I think your cycle is ok, but their is a lot of room for improvement.

1st, I would drop the clen straight up. Your protocol is pretty bad, you are a bit sketched out of using vet based clen, and I’m personally not a huge fan of clen in general. I don’t think the benefits are worth the sides in a lot of cases. If you are going to run it, you want to run it 2 weeks on/2 weeks off. And you don’t really need to taper the dosages like that. Just start at 35mcg/day for the first 2 weeks and if you feel like you need more, increase it the next two weeks.

2nd, I would rethink you Winny plan. 10 weeks is a long time. I would shorten it to 4-6 instead.

As for Tren, some people think a 2nd cycle is too early to start, I’m not here to play gatekeeper. I think your Tren dosages are fine, since it is Tren E, 500mg/week is about equivalent to 390mg/week of Tren A. 350mg of Tren A is a general starting dose so I don’t think it is that extreme if dosing at 500mg/week makes it easier for you.

Also, there isn’t a big reason not to run Winny and Tren together. Since it’s your first time on either, I wouldn’t overlap them too much so that you are able to distinguish which sides are coming from which compound, but 1-2 weeks should be fine since the Tren E needs to saturate. Here’s what I would run:

Week 1-6: Winny 50mg/day
Week 5-20: Tren 500mg/week

I would also grab some TUDCA to take during your Winny run. Probably 500mg/day. And have caber or prami on hand for you Tren and Prolactin, like the other poster said.

And what dose PO and SID refer to? Sorry, I don’t think I have ever seen these acronyms before on here.

 

[Brochacho_Prime]

Youre still pretty small dude. I would cut on 250-300mg Test/week alone with maybe a light oral. You’re basically going to spend a bunch of money on gear to do the same shit in the same amount of time.
The Tren will allow you to eat like more of an asshole, so if that’s worth a few hundred bucks to you, go for it.

 

[Seatedmaggs]

10 weeks of Winny straight into 10 weeks of tren with milk thistle as liver support, who needs a liver anyways?

With your age and stats that cycle could cause some health issues.

I’d say run test+mast+anavar with the clen…fuck winny, and save tren for another cycle and you will thank yohrself down the road. Then next time you cut, run test+tren+mast…tren+mast is a match made in heaven.

If you insist on running tren, you need something for prolactin, if you alteady developed a bit of gyno from 500 test, 500 tren will surely make it worse and make you lactate. You also need tudca, not milkthistle. This is beginner stuff here man

I’d also do the clen 2 weeks on/2 weeks off the whole cycle. 8 straight is not only more dangerous but also less effective as you need to give your beta receptors a break.

 

[PissedPajamas]

Winny blows if you’re not doing contest prep. Test/mast/var or test/Tren/mast imo

 

[DauntlessToaster]

You got decent gains off your first cycle and honestly didn’t put much effort into it. Run the same cycle again and this time clean up the diet and add in the cardio (likely will get better results this time). There is no sense in adding all these other compounds, save those for when your body no longer responds as well to just test. More isn’t better, hormones are no joke! I’d avoid tren at least till you have 6+ cycles under your belt.

 

[Dirkdigjig]

i always here people say to take caber/prami… I never have in 3 tren cycles.I experienced no problems.I did take asin 12.5 eod.People swear you need it,Not imho. And that’s with running Tren Ace 100mgs ed.5’8 194.

 

[Seatedmaggs]

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i always here people say to take caber/prami… I never have in 3 tren cycles.I experienced no problems.I did take asin 12.5 eod.People swear you need it,Not imho. And that’s with running Tren Ace 100mgs ed.5’8 194.

Everyones different, tren made me lactate, everyone should have it on hand for their first tren cycle. Im glad I did, I’m a heavy aromatizer so I figured I’d be the same way with prolactin.

 

[system]

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Dirkdigjig" pid='22859' dateline='1534290617:

i always here people say to take caber/prami… I never have in 3 tren cycles.I experienced no problems.I did take asin 12.5 eod.People swear you need it,Not imho. And that’s with running Tren Ace 100mgs ed.5’8 194.

Everyones different, tren made me lactate, everyone should have it on hand for their first tren cycle. Im glad I did, I’m a heavy aromatizer so I figured I’d be the same way with prolactin.

X2. Always expect to be the type who needs it. If you aren’t you’ll save enough $ by not needing said ancillaries in the future that buying it once is chump change. The risk:reward ratio just isn’t there not to.

 

[Evolutionism]

I only see one domestic person on here stocking caber and prami and he’s on vaca. Where have you or other people been getting it since? Preferably caber as I’m running tren this holiday season.

 

[DNPstoney]

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I only see one domestic person on here stocking caber and prami and he’s on vaca. Where have you or other people been getting it since? Preferably caber as I’m running tren this holiday season.

SoCo stocks Caber and he should be g2g, his T/A is slow though.

Sasquatch stocks Prami AFAIK.

Other than those two, people order internationally. AIPCT and AIPCT EU.

 

[Seatedmaggs]

Evolutionism" pid='22895' dateline='1534315767:

I only see one domestic person on here stocking caber and prami and he’s on vaca. Where have you or other people been getting it since? Preferably caber as I’m running tren this holiday season.

Sasquatch has prami campsules. Progenitor has prami suspebsion but that shit felt so much more toxic for me than the capsules…highly recommend getting the capsules.

 

[Brochacho_Prime]

I fucking love caber, it doesn’t make me feel like death, unlike prami.

 

[Seatedmaggs]

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I fucking love caber, it doesn’t make me feel like death, unlike prami.

The first time I used it I really wanted to crash my prolactin so I used 1mg of it before going to work…I got soooo sick for like a solid 10 hours. It wss miserable…such a nasty feeling