Well it works on every single country on Earth that’s actually done it… so … yeah. I’m for better fucking gun control. The second amendment was designed for militias with muskets, not for every jackass to be able to have whatever they want with no regulation, background check, or waiting period.More gun control isn’t the answer. When has control over anything or anyone ever been the right decision?
Although arguments can be made for both sides, thats not a very fair argument.Checkmatelabs" pid='4409' dateline='1522127411:
Well it works on every single country on Earth that’s actually done it… so … yeah. I’m for better fucking gun control. The second amendment was designed for militias with muskets, not for every jackass to be able to have whatever they want with no regulation, background check, or waiting period.More gun control isn’t the answer. When has control over anything or anyone ever been the right decision?
And the majority of those countries are continuously seeing more and more of their rights squashed. And with your logic, look at Switzerland; 2 million people out of 8.3 million own weapons and their murder rate is near zero. All men who serve in the military there (its required) are able to purchase their SERVICE weapon to keep with them as civilians. They respect guns and are taught how to use them, as are the majority of people in the U.S. who own them legally. The countries you refer to have disarmed their people totally.Checkmatelabs" pid='4409' dateline='1522127411:
Well it works on every single country on Earth that’s actually done it… so … yeah. I’m for better fucking gun control. The second amendment was designed for militias with muskets, not for every jackass to be able to have whatever they want with no regulation, background check, or waiting period.More gun control isn’t the answer. When has control over anything or anyone ever been the right decision?
The statistics are not in your favor. It has been proven time and again, that the majority of guns obtained and used in Chicago crime were gotten illegally. Criminals follow no laws. So yes, Chicago is a great example.Every time gun control is brought up someone mentions Chicago, and it’s the worst argument ever. Yeah, it doesn’t work in Chicago because Indiana is a short drive away and borders are just lines on a map. For gun control to be at all effect it needs to be federally implemented. Stop citing Chicago it just makes you look silly.
Guns aren’t the only problem, but they are definitely one of the problems. The War on Drugs, mental health, gun culture, laughable “rehabilitative” justice system, number of guns, our “I got mine, fuck you” society, ect. These are all contributing factors, but apparently the only solution is to arm everyone, that’ll fix it.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-the-guns-used-in-chicago-actually-came-from/Imissthesub" pid='4437' dateline='1522156427:
The statistics are not in your favor. It has been proven time and again, that the majority of guns obtained and used in Chicago crime were gotten illegally. Criminals follow no laws. So yes, Chicago is a great example.Every time gun control is brought up someone mentions Chicago, and it’s the worst argument ever. Yeah, it doesn’t work in Chicago because Indiana is a short drive away and borders are just lines on a map. For gun control to be at all effect it needs to be federally implemented. Stop citing Chicago it just makes you look silly.
Guns aren’t the only problem, but they are definitely one of the problems. The War on Drugs, mental health, gun culture, laughable “rehabilitative” justice system, number of guns, our “I got mine, fuck you” society, ect. These are all contributing factors, but apparently the only solution is to arm everyone, that’ll fix it.
“illmortalized” pid=‘4456’ dateline=‘1522166667’ said:If we want to prevent, “death”… then look at how many deaths by auto accidents.
Look at how many deaths by auto accidents that invovled children/teens/young adults using their cell phones while driving/operating the vehicle.
“illmortalized” pid=‘4456’ dateline=‘1522166667’ said:Ultimately, the left has been trying for more than a decade now to degrade the 2nd Amendment. The government has no power over our rights. These are gauranteed. Our Constitution simply educates its citizens that these are God given / naturally given rights, no human, no organization, nothing can limit them nor take them away.
Super deep.If you believe we have to sacrifice freedom/liberty for security… you don’t deserve either.
As it was once said before.
“Imissthesub” pid=‘4474’ dateline=‘1522175782’ said:Wouldyalookatit" pid='4446' dateline='1522160601:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-the-guns-used-in-chicago-actually-came-from/Imissthesub" pid='4437' dateline='1522156427:
The statistics are not in your favor. It has been proven time and again, that the majority of guns obtained and used in Chicago crime were gotten illegally. Criminals follow no laws. So yes, Chicago is a great example.Every time gun control is brought up someone mentions Chicago, and it’s the worst argument ever. Yeah, it doesn’t work in Chicago because Indiana is a short drive away and borders are just lines on a map. For gun control to be at all effect it needs to be federally implemented. Stop citing Chicago it just makes you look silly.
Guns aren’t the only problem, but they are definitely one of the problems. The War on Drugs, mental health, gun culture, laughable “rehabilitative” justice system, number of guns, our “I got mine, fuck you” society, ect. These are all contributing factors, but apparently the only solution is to arm everyone, that’ll fix it.
“Only 40 percent of the guns recovered in the city were purchased in Illinois, the report read, including hundreds purchased at gun shops outside city boundaries.”
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...l-chicago-dahleen-glanton-20171003-story.html
“Law enforcement officials say 60 percent of the guns confiscated on the streets of Chicago come from Indiana, Wisconsin and Mississippi. The other 40 percent come from suburban Cook County and nearby suburbs.”
https://www.npr.org/2017/10/05/555580598/fact-check-is-chicago-proof-that-gun-laws-don-t-work
“And there’s good evidence that being next-door to those states keeps Chicago criminals well-supplied with guns. A 2015 study of guns in Chicago, co-authored by Cook, found that more than 60 percent of new guns used in Chicago gang-related crimes and 31.6 percent used in non-gang-related crimes between 2009 and 2013 were bought in other states. Indiana was a particularly heavy supplier, providing nearly one-third of the gang guns and nearly one-fifth of the non-gang guns.”
“illmortalized” pid=‘4456’ dateline=‘1522166667’ said:If we want to prevent, “death”… then look at how many deaths by auto accidents.
Look at how many deaths by auto accidents that invovled children/teens/young adults using their cell phones while driving/operating the vehicle.
Lol wtf? You say this as if the government and auto makers haven’t been improving auto safety for decades lol. Have you seen a crash test of a recent car compared to one from the 70s? Improved crash safety, increased amount of air bags, speed limits, traffic studies, implementation of new brake technology, ect ect. There are all kinds of ways they are working to reduce auto accidents ans fatalities.
illmortalized" pid='4456' dateline='1522166667:
Ultimately, the left has been trying for more than a decade now to degrade the 2nd Amendment. The government has no power over our rights. These are gauranteed. Our Constitution simply educates its citizens that these are God given / naturally given rights, no human, no organization, nothing can limit them nor take them away.
The government has no power over your rights? Lmao. Jesus. Ok, yes they do. For fuck’s sake you’re in a thread talking about an amendment, an amendment to the Constitution. Do you think there are no restrictions on the bill of rights? There are. Some of you need to take a political science class.
illmortalized" pid='4456' dateline='1522166667:
Super deep.If you believe we have to sacrifice freedom/liberty for security… you don’t deserve either.
As it was once said before.
Unfortunately, when people have a biased narrative in any direction and are not in the position to be convinced, no amount of data will be useful.End of debate.
Everybody’s Lying About the Link Between Gun Ownership and Homicide
https://medium.com/@bjcampbell/ever...tween-gun-ownership-and-homicide-1108ed400be5
the irony behind that is “assault rifles” AKA semiautomatic rifles that look scary are used in a very very small fraction of murders. Also check out H&K USP compact 9 mm. Super nice pistol. I’m also a big fan of Sig Sauer P226.I just want to buy guns for the wife and I and get our CCW’s. With us having a kid it’s now important to me (and she’s on board, too) for her to have something when she drives back home to see family with our kid. Will feel much better about it with her having something along the lines of a S&W Bodyguard .380 or a Beretta Nano etc. Of course I can’t make up my fucking mind on what I want. Probably an HK VP9sk or CZ TP9SF. Something along those lines.
There’s no way they will ever outlaw guns. Possibly assault rifle styles could get traction, but handguns rifles and shotguns will not be going anywhere.
I’d also like to point out that with this being a steroid forum the audience is automatically skewed towards people who are going to be pro gun unlike /r/politics or something like that.