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FrancoC

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I'm currently on Test E 500mg/week and 1-DHEA. The jewels atrophied pretty good about 1 1/2 weeks in so I started taking hCG 250iu sub q. Did a second shot of hCG this morning making it my second in total. Roughly when should I see the results of the hCG working and the balls going back to normal?
 

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I'm currently on Test E 500mg/week and 1-DHEA. The jewels atrophied pretty good about 1 1/2 weeks in so I started taking hCG 250iu sub q. Did a second shot of hCG this morning making it my second in total. Roughly when should I see the results of the hCG working and the balls going back to normal?
It really depends on your previous gear usage and how long you've been on. Not sure it's really possible to recover 100% of ball size at a certain point unless you used something like HCG the entire time or periodically throughout gear usage. If this is your first cylce and you are 1.5 weeks in, I highly doubt your ball size has atrophied. You could do some sort of water displacement test with your balls if you're really worried about it to get a baseline, then test later again.
Curious to why you are running a prohormone. If you want to run an oral, why not something like TBol?
 

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It really depends on your previous gear usage and how long you've been on. Not sure it's really possible to recover 100% of ball size at a certain point unless you used something like HCG the entire time or periodically throughout gear usage. If this is your first cylce and you are 1.5 weeks in, I highly doubt your ball size has atrophied. You could do some sort of water displacement test with your balls if you're really worried about it to get a baseline, then test later again.
Curious to why you are running a prohormone. If you want to run an oral, why not something like TBol?
This is my first cycle since ~12 years ago where I took 500mg test/week and 25mg adrol/ed. With that long a time frame I’ve been healthy baseline #s for quite a while. The balls have definitely ascended dramatically.

To be honest it’s because I purchased it before I thought I’d jump back on gear and for the sake of not throwing money away I added it into the beginning part of this blast before ending with Winstrol the last 8 weeks.

Edit: never used hCG as protocols “back in the day” didn’t call for it. This is my first run with hCG
 

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This is my first cycle since ~12 years ago where I took 500mg test/week and 25mg adrol/ed. With that long a time frame I’ve been healthy baseline #s for quite a while. The balls have definitely ascended dramatically.

To be honest it’s because I purchased it before I thought I’d jump back on gear and for the sake of not throwing money away I added it into the beginning part of this blast before ending with Winstrol the last 8 weeks.

Edit: never used hCG as protocols “back in the day” didn’t call for it. This is my first run with hCG
Oh ok I see now, makes sense. With the HCG, it could take a month at least to show change in ball size. If I were you I would do a water displacement test so you could verify your balls are indeed getting bigger. You should feel some mental effects from it, especially if you are lacking in neurosteroids like pregnenolone and DHEA (these typically decline as we age anyways, but are potentially quicker to decline via gear useage). HCG is said to "backfill" these pathways and effectively bring those neurosteroids back to a good level in your brain. I have read some people feeling like this is not the case with them, so it might be worth experimenting for yourself. People usually report better "penile sensitivity" and bigger loads while using HCG as well.

I admit, I am no expert on this subject, but I am slowly trying to learn about it. Recently, I have started taking DHEA and pregnenolone supplements sublingually every morning and so far I feel like I have received positive mood boost and mental clarity overall. I want to give it time because I'm not sure if this is just placebo talking. But either way, this is something I've noticed. You can get bloodwork done to assess your DHEA and pregnenolone levels, but from what I have researched some of these tests aren't always indicative of low levels in your brain. I believe there are specific blood tests that are better at assessing this, you would have to look this up. General blood tests for them will give you some indication: if they are in the middle to high end of the range, you are probably fine, if they are on the lower end, you might want to look into supplementation.
 
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Good info right there. I watched a vid on someone explaining in detail how beneficial hCG is to run alongside test because of the things you mentioned. I’ve also seen runs of hCG higher than the standard 500iu/week and wondering if I should increase my dosage until I get full or moderate descending and then lower back to 500iu/week? My concerns are any potential side effects or long term damage that can be done with higher dosages and at what amounts.
 
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Good info right there. I watched a vid on someone explaining in detail how beneficial hCG is to run alongside test because of the things you mentioned. I’ve also seen runs of hCG higher than the standard 500iu/week and wondering if I should increase my dosage until I get full or moderate descending and then lower back to 500iu/week? My concerns are any potential side effects or long term damage that can be done with higher dosages and at what amounts.
I would start low and assess from there. You want to get the most out of the lowest dose. I would not worry about long term damage, look this up for your own confirmation, but it has been explained by many people that damage is not a concern and I believe many studies show this with very high dosages. Some people seem to be able to tolerate large dosages of HCG. I've seen guys on here explain how they are using 1000+ IUs a week, year around. 250 IU twice a week might work with you. Maybe even start at 150 IU 2-3 times a week. You may need to add AI to combat the raise in E2.

Many people neglect to realize the degradation of HCG once reconstituted. You should be using the vial up within a month or so and as it starts to get less potent you can use a larger dose. It might help explain why guys say HCG makes them feel great in the beginning, but then it just stops "working" for them. Personally, I've used 5000 and 10000 IU vials, but my doses have been minimal so I don't use it in a short enough time frame. I have just ordered 2000 IU to better suit my dosages. I may start out with 200 IU 2-3 times a week. I'll be pinning on the same days I pin Test twice a week most likely. There have been discussions around the "best" time to pin, the day before your Test shot for example, I don't know the exact explanation off the top of my head, but you can google it to find out more. I would just go with what works best for you.
 

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I would start low and assess from there. You want to get the most out of the lowest dose. I would not worry about long term damage, look this up for your own confirmation, but it has been explained by many people that damage is not a concern and I believe many studies show this with very high dosages. Some people seem to be able to tolerate large dosages of HCG. I've seen guys on here explain how they are using 1000+ IUs a week, year around. 250 IU twice a week might work with you. Maybe even start at 150 IU 2-3 times a week. You may need to add AI to combat the raise in E2.

Many people neglect to realize the degradation of HCG once reconstituted. You should be using the vial up within a month or so and as it starts to get less potent you can use a larger dose. It might help explain why guys say HCG makes them feel great in the beginning, but then it just stops "working" for them. Personally, I've used 5000 and 10000 IU vials, but my doses have been minimal so I don't use it in a short enough time frame. I have just ordered 2000 IU to better suit my dosages. I may start out with 200 IU 2-3 times a week. I'll be pinning on the same days I pin Test twice a week most likely. There have been discussions around the "best" time to pin, the day before your Test shot for example, I don't know the exact explanation off the top of my head, but you can google it to find out more. I would just go with what works best for you.
I read somewhat years ago that you can freeze it once reconstituted and it lasts significantly longer. So I will reconstitute 10k iu and backfill 10 slin pins and freeze 9 of them. Then I will pull one out and put it in fridge to thaw and usually pin 1/3 of syringe every 3-4 days. Done it for years and seems to work for me. HCG feels like it hydrates my brain and nuts. Best way I can explain what it feels like it does for me.
 

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I read somewhat years ago that you can freeze it once reconstituted and it lasts significantly longer. So I will reconstitute 10k iu and backfill 10 slin pins and freeze 9 of them. Then I will pull one out and put it in fridge to thaw and usually pin 1/3 of syringe every 3-4 days. Done it for years and seems to work for me. HCG feels like it hydrates my brain and nuts. Best way I can explain what it feels like it does for me.
I personally would not prefill syringes and freeze them like that, but if it has been working for you then that's what counts. One reason I can think of is the syringes you are backfilling are not self contained and sealed like a vial and therefore I would worry about sterility. Another reason is freezing and then thawing the syringe could potentially cause leeching of the plastic.
 

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I personally would not prefill syringes and freeze them like that, but if it has been working for you then that's what counts. One reason I can think of is the syringes you are backfilling are not self contained and sealed like a vial and therefore I would worry about sterility. Another reason is freezing and then thawing the syringe could potentially cause leeching of the plastic.
Well, they are inside the syringes and then double bagged and frozen to prevent freezer burn lol. But I know they work because I can not take HCG for weeis and pull one out and pin it and get all the tell-tale signs of HCG. I do think the quality and brand matters quite a bit though.
 

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Update:

Upped the hCG to 500iu E3Ds, very slow progress on that. Started to have nipple sensitivity issues a few days ago and started Nolva 20mg/day. 3rd day into administering that and the balls have descended significantly.

Plan is to continue both dosages until nipple sensitivity goes away and the balls go back to pre cycle hang, then I’ll stop the Nolva and drop the hCG to 250iu/E3D. Should everything go good, that’ll be the protocol throughout cycle. Any signs of atrophy and will bump back to 500iu.
 

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Update:

Upped the hCG to 500iu E3Ds, very slow progress on that. Started to have nipple sensitivity issues a few days ago and started Nolva 20mg/day. 3rd day into administering that and the balls have descended significantly.

Plan is to continue both dosages until nipple sensitivity goes away and the balls go back to pre cycle hang, then I’ll stop the Nolva and drop the hCG to 250iu/E3D. Should everything go good, that’ll be the protocol throughout cycle. Any signs of atrophy and will bump back to 500iu.
I've been curious of HCG. Only reason I haven't pursued it yet is due to that estrogen spike. My best friend got a pretty bad and rapid gyno flare up from it.

All that aside, I still think ur a bit too early on in ur cycle to fully gauge the responses on ur system of each compound, so I'll be curious how it's going after week like 6+
 

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3 weeks into hCG and the results were essentially non existent. I should have started the same day as the cycle so I understand why it would be an uphill battle but I wanted to see how much atrophy and shut down would happen with 500mg/week of Test. As I’m finding out about my body’s response to compounds, 20mg of Nolva does a fairly good job in upping LH levels.
 
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