HELP ONLY IF CYCLED DECA.. Planning Upcoming Cycle.

[PersianBody19]

This is my first time with deca so only give advice if you tried it not any of that “I heard” BS, thanks lol. I am planning a cycle 3 months ahead of time just to make sure COVID and gyms are gtg (I live in a BUSY ass city). I’m gonna add my “Pre cycle plans” on here which is what I intend to begin (rough draft) and I will edit based on the replies I receive on this forum. I have done SARMs in the past and three 12 week cycles with test e as a base with other weak compounds IMO (just to give you an idea of how much abuse my natty test has gotten lol). I am getting blood work in 2 weeks bc the clinic made me wait on a list bullish, saying “I’m not a high priority”. From using “bro-science” (yes I know bloodwork is MUCH more reputable), I have a slightly high estrogen level not crazy but a little over “normal” but everything else is in range. When I do get the Bloodwork results I will add on here as well. Also I’m not on TRT

Yes, I will have a fuk ton of questions Below, this is because I hear all types of shit about deca from other ppl forums and don’t know what’s true anymore. So I would rather ask on SST

Some Stats:
-Weight: 179 lbs (lost 13lbs+ bc of COVID, I tried my best to maintain but I literally would drink weight gaining shakes and would throw up minutes later.)
-Age: 22
-Height: 175cm

My rough draft cycle:
Deca @ 200mg 1x Week 1-10
Dbol @ 25-50mg ED Week 1-5
Test E @ 300mg 1x Week 1-12
Aromasin @ 12.5mg e3d after 1 week
HCG @ 250 iu 2x a Week 8-14

PCT 2 weeks after the last shot:
Novla 40/40/20/20
Clomid 100/100/50/50
HCG @ 250 iu 2x a Week 12-14 or 500 iu EOD for the first 8 days and 1.5 weeks 200 iu EOD

Supplements alongside:
Milk Thistle
Glucosamine
Fish Oils
Vitamins

My Questions:

1. If you did a similar cycle, was it better to run the deca longer bc it has a long half-life and feel the full effects?
2. I have done the “less is better” in my past cycles with dosages and came out great, but with deca is that too fuckin low like a therapeutic effect?
3. Run this stack longer than 12 weeks like 14-16 weeks? Im not on TRT
4. I have always ran Novla or Clomid for PCT, but this will be my “heaviest cycle”, So should I take both Clomid and Novla?. HCG is a first in my books should I up the dose, take more frequently, start taking how long before the cycle ends, run during PCT? this is where I was saying I read all types of shit for deca cycles
5. I wanna hear about yall’s opinion on this guy: Seth Feroce, his vid about pct he said what he uses, 1000 iu EOD for the first 8 days then 500 iu EOD for the next 7-10 days along with Clomid 50mg ED & 20mg Novla ED.

 

[bleedinganus]

Deca is incredibly mild and half of the mg weight of deca is the weight of the ester, with 62mg of nandrolone per 100mg of deca. As well as how long it takes to really “kick in” I dont think 200mg will be terribly effective. I have personally used 300mg of deca a week for nice mild cycle which had positive effects on my joints and some decent gains.

Also I am a little concerned that your method to keeping your weight up is using weight gainer protein shakes. Food is always the best option over supplements and shakes.

 

[nolonemo]

Why bother with this if you can’t eat?

 

[PersianBody19]

bleedinganus" pid='94419' dateline='1594508221:

Deca is incredibly mild and half of the mg weight of deca is the weight of the ester, with 62mg of nandrolone per 100mg of deca. As well as how long it takes to really “kick in” I dont think 200mg will be terribly effective. I have personally used 300mg of deca a week for nice mild cycle which had positive effects on my joints and some decent gains.

Also I am a little concerned that your method to keeping your weight up is using weight gainer protein shakes. Food is always the best option over supplements and shakes.

wish I could even swallow a proper meal during that time but when you feel nauseous 24/7 barely anything goes down that’s why I choose a mass gainer shake bc I needed calories asap. Clear of covid tho if that’s what your mentioning. I have been eating my regular meals now for the past 6 days trying to get my weight up.

200-300mg in your experience was for therapeutic effects? not really for size?

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nolonemo" pid='94431' dateline='1594520119:

Why bother with this if you can’t eat?

Clear of covid tho if that’s what your mentioning. I have been eating my regular meals now for the past 6 days trying to get my weight up. Also I said in the “story” that I am planning for an UPCOMING CYCLE like 3 months from now lol.

I can eat trust me. I used to blend chicken with rice and swallow that bitch down so I wouldn’t be late for my uni classes (back when they were open lmao)

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Im gonna post my labs from less than a month ago in a little bit instead, once I find out how to post pics on here lol

 

[nolonemo]

I didn’t realize you literally had COVID, damn.

 

[bodydysmorphia]

300mg of deca is a nice addition to test. Anything over that makes me depressed.

 

[PersianBody19]

nolonemo" pid='94464' dateline='1594599048:

I didn’t realize you literally had COVID, damn.

its fine lol. It wasn’t that bad I just felt like it was the flu but a bit worse.

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bodydysmorphia" pid='94465' dateline='1594601878:

300mg of deca is a nice addition to test. Anything over that makes me depressed.

did you run dbol with? and was that 300mg for therapeutic or more mass?

 

[Jayfosters]

I used 250 test and 250 deca and saw good strength gains. I didn’t need an AI at that dose. I ran it for a good 10 weeks. You must train hard and eat right, don’t expect gear to work magic if you don’t work your butt off in the gym and kitchen.

 

[PersianBody19]

Jayfosters" pid='94468' dateline='1594603145:

I used 250 test and 250 deca and saw good strength gains. I didn’t need an AI at that dose. I ran it for a good 10 weeks. You must train hard and eat right, don’t expect gear to work magic if you don’t work your butt off in the gym and kitchen.

I 100% with you on the last part.

so you didn’t run dbol?
what did your pct consist of? (HCG in there?)
I had been told that anywhere under 300 is a therapeutic effect like joints and shit, did you feel it was just test gains?

 

[system]

ive used deca and low doses of it too, my input:

Doses are fine

there is no like ‘switch’ where deca becomes primarily therapeutic, you’re still getting steroid-like benefits from 200 mg of deca. 300 mg of a solid option too.

don’t rule out possibly needing a quarter tab of caber here or there, i do.

AI protocol could be too low dose + infrequent with dbol in the equation, be on high alert

10 weeks is too short in my book and esp with lower doses, slow and steady is typically the approach and 10 weeks is a short blast. if i were in your shoes i’d be doing 20, but 14-18 is realistic if you don’t wanna go for too long. low doses are very mild on your health

2 weeks before pct is a bit short, wait at least 3 if not 4

 

[bodydysmorphia]

PersianBody19" pid='94466' dateline='1594602063:

nolonemo" pid='94464' dateline='1594599048:

I didn’t realize you literally had COVID, damn.

its fine lol. It wasn’t that bad I just felt like it was the flu but a bit worse.

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bodydysmorphia" pid='94465' dateline='1594601878:

300mg of deca is a nice addition to test. Anything over that makes me depressed.

did you run dbol with? and was that 300mg for therapeutic or more mass?

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Size, but joints felt improved of course. 300mg is waaaaay past therapeutic. In the past i’ve run 30mg twice a week and noticed joint pain relief.

Keep in mind deca is normally given at 50mg every 3 weeks for most medical conditions it’s prescribed for. I’ve heard of the odd person getting up to 100mg from a shady anti aging doctor but that is not the norm. Anti aging docs tend to give 50mg a week.

As far as the cycle goes, that sounds nice. I would personally use tbol/adrol over dbol however, i’ve never noticed much actual size stay with dbol.

 

[PersianBody19]

kingofcarbz" pid='94489' dateline='1594624952:

ive used deca and low doses of it too, my input:

Doses are fine

there is no like ‘switch’ where deca becomes primarily therapeutic, you’re still getting steroid-like benefits from 200 mg of deca. 300 mg of a solid option too.

don’t rule out possibly needing a quarter tab of caber here or there, i do.

AI protocol could be too low dose + infrequent with dbol in the equation, be on high alert

10 weeks is too short in my book and esp with lower doses, slow and steady is typically the approach and 10 weeks is a short blast. if i were in your shoes i’d be doing 20, but 14-18 is realistic if you don’t wanna go for too long. low doses are very mild on your health

2 weeks before pct is a bit short, wait at least 3 if not 4

You have more knowledge than I do on deca so would something like this would seem logical? (new edit with dose and length)
I took out dbol bc cycle length increased, plan is to bulk while on this

Deca @ 300mg 1x Week 1-14
Test E @ 300mg 1x Week 1-14
Aromasin @ 12.5mg e3d (or when I feel)

PCT 3-4 weeks after the last pin:
Novla 40/40/20/20
Clomid 100/100/50/50

1. When to start HCG? I was thinking last 2 weeks of cycle for just 2 weeks?
2. Start low dose caber after 2 weeks of cycle seem reasonable?
3. keep deca at 200mg bc its my first time to this compound and test e better to be higher?
   

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bodydysmorphia" pid='94490' dateline='1594638333:

PersianBody19" pid='94466' dateline='1594602063:

nolonemo" pid='94464' dateline='1594599048:

I didn’t realize you literally had COVID, damn.

its fine lol. It wasn’t that bad I just felt like it was the flu but a bit worse.

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bodydysmorphia" pid='94465' dateline='1594601878:

300mg of deca is a nice addition to test. Anything over that makes me depressed.

did you run dbol with? and was that 300mg for therapeutic or more mass?

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Size, but joints felt improved of course. 300mg is waaaaay past therapeutic. In the past i’ve run 30mg twice a week and noticed joint pain relief.

Keep in mind deca is normally given at 50mg every 3 weeks for most medical conditions it’s prescribed for. I’ve heard of the odd person getting up to 100mg from a shady anti aging doctor but that is not the norm. Anti aging docs tend to give 50mg a week.

As far as the cycle goes, that sounds nice. I would personally use tbol/adrol over dbol however, i’ve never noticed much actual size stay with dbol.

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Im now thinking of just dropping the dbol because I might just legthen the cycle to 14-16 weeks.(Look at the reply on page 2 and see the new rough draft cycle). What do you think of that?

 

[Ds3317]

Dbol and nandrolone have a nice synergy. I’d up the deca to atleast 400. Run the dbol for the first 4 weeks and test for 14 and deca for atleast 12. It takes a while to build up.
Looks like a nice old school cycle. I’m actually planning on something similar but a little higher dosage 4weeks dbol 50mg, deca 600mg, test 750 20 weeks. I’m on trt so I don’t have to worry about pct

 

[mdwilson2011]

@“PersianBody19” Good luck on your PCT after running Deca. 4 weeks is not enough time for Deca metabolites to clear your system. It takes so long that it would be smart to consider cruising on 100mg Test Prop for at least 8 weeks before attempting to pct. Even then, you might be creating a thread along the lines of “Deca made my dick as limp as a duffel bag.” You might also get lucky and have no ill effects. This is the game we play here.

For hcg, it’s most ideal to run it through your whole cycle and leading up to PCT. 250iu 2x/wk keeps most guys happy.