High blood pressure

[shiidontknow]

Just starting a 20 week cycle at 600mg test c per week. I have an at home bp cuff that I use and have been getting high readings lately. I started at 137 over 83 a week ago then went up to 139 over 85 today.

I really don’t want to quit my cycle, but getting nervous with these numbers lately. I have started doing liss, because I’ve been bad about keeping up with it. I’ve been trying to find a place on here too buy bp meds, but haven’t seen any that sell them so far. Not sure if that is one of those things only available through a doctor.

Guess I was just seeing if anyone else had been in my situation or people’s opinions on if I should stop the cycle or not. Thanks.

 

[Deucalion]

I mean your blood pressure is a little high, nothing critical... Is this a joke thread haha? it went up 2 points and that is concerning? if you take your bp then move your leg in a different position and take it again it will be different so 2 points is nothing meaningful if you are being serious here.


Amino asylum sells LIQUID oral telmisartan which is about $40, for the number of doses is insane but it is domestic so you can get it relatively fast. Not that I think you need it asap but if you feel like you do...
AIpct is NON-DOMESTIC will take a couple weeks to month+ to get but cheap, never tried it myself but heard good things.

I would start out any bp med you do low dose you don't need to lower it that much. What was your BP prior to cycle?

 

[Deleted member 21405]

Just starting a 20 week cycle at 600mg test c per week. I have an at home bp cuff that I use and have been getting high readings lately. I started at 137 over 83 a week ago then went up to 139 over 85 today.

I really don’t want to quit my cycle, but getting nervous with these numbers lately. I have started doing liss, because I’ve been bad about keeping up with it. I’ve been trying to find a place on here too buy bp meds, but haven’t seen any that sell them so far. Not sure if that is one of those things only available through a doctor.

Guess I was just seeing if anyone else had been in my situation or people’s opinions on if I should stop the cycle or not. Thanks.

That's not bad at all and can vary based on a little of variables. Do it in the morning while you have been sitting relaxed for 5 minutes or take a baby aspirin

 

[Deleted member 21405]

I mean your blood pressure is a little high, nothing critical... Is this a joke thread haha? it went up 2 points and that is concerning? if you take your bp then move your leg in a different position and take it again it will be different so 2 points is nothing meaningful if you are being serious here.


Amino asylum sells LIQUID oral telmisartan which is about $40, for the number of doses is insane but it is domestic so you can get it relatively fast. Not that I think you need it asap but if you feel like you do...
AIpct is NON-DOMESTIC will take a couple weeks to month+ to get but cheap, never tried it myself but heard good things.

I would start out any bp med you do low dose you don't need to lower it that much. What was your BP prior to cycle?

Mines had 20+ point differences at times and I haven't freaked lol

 

[Deucalion]

Mines had 20+ point differences at times and I haven't freaked lol

Haha ikr , I can't tell if this is satire or not. I mean I guess it is good to be self-aware and observant but 2 points... Especially when it is only mildly elevated 130's is high but not like I NEED BP MEDS NOW high.

 

[shiidontknow]

Haha ikr , I can't tell if this is satire or not. I mean I guess it is good to be self-aware and observant but 2 points... Especially when it is only mildly elevated 130's is high but not like I NEED BP MEDS NOW high.

It’s the first time I’ve taken it and been in supposed hypertension territory, so definitely probably over reacting a bit. My bp was usually 126/72 range before, so looking at it now it’s not that much higher. I’m just paranoid about doing damage to my heart.

Thanks for the heads up on the sources!

 

[shiidontknow]

That's not bad at all and can vary based on a little of variables. Do it in the morning while you have been sitting relaxed for 5 minutes or take a baby aspirin

I’ll give that a shot and if it keeps rising I’ll try the aspirin. Just figured it would be good to have some bp meds on hand if things do get out of control.

 

[psauce]

I’m a BP evangelist: 5 points of blood pressure reduction can lead to 33% decreased stroke risk. That’s real shit. Your kidneys will also appreciate you, too. No joke, it is one of those death by a thousand cuts every day you walk around with unmanaged elevated BP.

First things: reduce sodium/clean up die, try more cardio. If you’re covering those, go to a doctor and you’ll get a low dose or atorvastatin or rosuvastatin (or one of a thousand other effective and safe meds) and your life will be golden. If you can’t afford a doctor, lots of the guys here sell BP meds — one of which doubles as a boner pill!

then again, I’m a sissy, so you do,you mang

 

[shiidontknow]

I’m a BP evangelist: 5 points of blood pressure reduction can lead to 33% decreased stroke risk. That’s real shit. Your kidneys will also appreciate you, too. No joke, it is one of those death by a thousand cuts every day you walk around with unmanaged elevated BP.

First things: reduce sodium/clean up die, try more cardio. If you’re covering those, go to a doctor and you’ll get a low dose or atorvastatin or rosuvastatin (or one of a thousand other effective and safe meds) and your life will be golden. If you can’t afford a doctor, lots of the guys here sell BP meds — one of which doubles as a boner pill!

then again, I’m a sissy, so you do,you mang

Haha no shame in being cautious when it comes to your heart, kind of a big deal. I am somewhat dirty bulking on 4K calories per day for the past month so I wonder if that is causing it to go up too.

I plan to monitor it closely for the next few weeks while I incorporate more liss to see what happens. I have a physical in about a month so I’ll talk to the dr about it then.

 

[Deucalion]

It’s the first time I’ve taken it and been in supposed hypertension territory, so definitely probably over reacting a bit. My bp was usually 126/72 range before, so looking at it now it’s not that much higher. I’m just paranoid about doing damage to my heart.

Thanks for the heads up on the sources!

I understand, I definitely would advocate for a low dose -pril or -sartan. If you have never been on bp meds START LOW. I had bp's in the 170/90's range took 5 mg lisinopril and bp tanked in the 90's/50's I take 2.5mg now and bp is anywhere from 110-120/60-70 throughout the day. In other words, if you don't know how you respond start low!

I would not even consider a -statin medication unless you have lab work that shows elevated cholesterol/LDL. It will not help your bp. Also, I would only use viagra etc. as a last option for bp control and not long-term. The duration of action for lowering blood pressure is low and minimally effective, not a good option...
@psauce -?

 

[methyl mike]

A friend of mine had consistently high blood pressure 200/100 and worse for as long as I knew him. Yes, he eventually had a heart attack and died a very slow very painful death from CHF but my point is try not freaking out about it. Stress will kill you just as fast if not faster.
139/85 is not a crisis and you should try everything that does not require prescription medications first. Cardio diet OTC diuretics etc. And cuffs are not reliable get a stethoscope and sphygmomanometer and get accurate readings.

 

[Deucalion]

A friend of mine had consistently high blood pressure 200/100 and worse for as long as I knew him. Yes, he eventually had a heart attack and died a very slow very painful death from CHF but my point is try not freaking out about it. Stress will kill you just as fast if not faster.
139/85 is not a crisis and you should try everything that does not require prescription medications first. Cardio diet OTC diuretics etc. And cuffs are not reliable get a stethoscope and sphygmomanometer and get accurate readings.

Normally, I would 100% agree with you and try to make lifestyle changes first. In the presence of gear use though, I think he would benefit from diet enhancement AND a small dose ACE or ARB. It's nice to not need medications, but like the other guy said 33-48% decreased chance of stroke if you decrease your systolic bp by 10 AND your diastolic by 5 and it continues to decrease your risk by this amount until you hit a bp of 115/75. With the already increased risk of stroke, heart attacks, and blood clots in general from taking gear blood pressure control is crucial...

I just spoke with a guy here not too long ago who was telling people to take Telmisartan even if your bp is low 99/59 I believe was the scenario I offered him, which I do not agree with at all. However, there are a lot of benefits to taking a low-dose ace or arb on gear if you bp can handle it.

 

[DHT]

make sure you have a good BP measuring device and take 10mg lisinopril and recheck in a week.
all these people saying 140 isnt concerning are absolute idiots,
high blood pressure is responsible for heart attacks, strokes and damages every organ in your body, liver, cardiac remodeling etc because of the pressure on them
its the silent killer for a reason, just take the one of the most common and well tolerated medications in the world instead of all the B.S things like drinking water and cardio
youre taking gear, it raises blood pressure, doing an hour of cardio isnt going to cut it. those b.s things like salt intake and cardio are really just to get fat people to lose weight, because thats why they have high blood pressure, its for the 400lb person with 50lbs of water weight because their body is so fat and unhealthy they cant stop bing bloated
new guidelines even say that 120 isnt ideal.
just take the pill and stop hurting your body

 

[Deucalion]

make sure you have a good BP measuring device and take 10mg lisinopril and recheck in a week.
all these people saying 140 isnt concerning are absolute idiots,
high blood pressure is responsible for heart attacks, strokes and damages every organ in your body, liver, cardiac remodeling etc because of the pressure on them
its the silent killer for a reason, just take the one of the most common and well tolerated medications in the world instead of all the B.S things like drinking water and cardio
youre taking gear, it raises blood pressure, doing an hour of cardio isnt going to cut it. those b.s things like salt intake and cardio are really just to get fat people to lose weight, because thats why they have high blood pressure, its for the 400lb person with 50lbs of water weight because their body is so fat and unhealthy they cant stop bing bloated
new guidelines even say that 120 isnt ideal.
just take the pill and stop hurting your body

10 mg may be too much, he should start lower and dose up IF NEEDED, his bp isn't critical enough that he should slam it down in one day. He has time to slowly make adjustments to hit a goal bp with in a couple days. I agree with the general premise of your post but he is on a 4k dirty bulk too soooo...

I think ace or arb would be beneficial and a small cleanup to diet.

 

[psauce]

I understand, I definitely would advocate for a low dose -pril or -sartan. If you have never been on bp meds START LOW. I had bp's in the 170/90's range took 5 mg lisinopril and bp tanked in the 90's/50's I take 2.5mg now and bp is anywhere from 110-120/60-70 throughout the day. In other words, if you don't know how you respond start low!

I would not even consider a -statin medication unless you have lab work that shows elevated cholesterol/LDL. It will not help your bp. Also, I would only use viagra etc. as a last option for bp control and not long-term. The duration of action for lowering blood pressure is low and minimally effective, not a good option...
@psauce -?

Jesus christ, thank you for catching that. I mean, god damn, that's a really inexcusable fuck-up if I had made it in another context.

I started responding to that post about BP, went into a room to deal with someone who had cholesterol issues, and finished the post talking about entirely the wrong fucking drugs. That's a major mistake -- thank you for catching it. I mean lisinopril and hydrochlorothiazide, but I should reiterate that there are like twenty *good* hypertension options now, and the choice depends on the patient and side-effect profile.

As you mention (and as I think I mentioned) lifestyle and sodium are the first places to look. I'm thinking we're talking in the context of gear use -- which still doesn't mean you can't keep your BP healthy w/o drugs. The other suggestion, which some guys are more likely to buy into, are Cialis and minoxidil. They'll both lower your BP a little bit, and help with the boner and hairline while they're at it. (Lots of guys end up on Cialis while on cycle just to deal with ED, so the problem solves itself.)

But the crop of BP meds now... there's one that is as safe as can be for pretty much every patient under the sun, so I wouldn't run screaming from them, no.

Man, thank you so much for being kind in calling out that error. I deserved to be roasted to shit for that.

 

[Deleted member 21405]

Normally, I would 100% agree with you and try to make lifestyle changes first. In the presence of gear use though, I think he would benefit from diet enhancement AND a small dose ACE or ARB. It's nice to not need medications, but like the other guy said 33-48% decreased chance of stroke if you decrease your systolic bp by 10 AND your diastolic by 5 and it continues to decrease your risk by this amount until you hit a bp of 115/75. With the already increased risk of stroke, heart attacks, and blood clots in general from taking gear blood pressure control is crucial...

I just spoke with a guy here not too long ago who was telling people to take Telmisartan even if your bp is low 99/59 I believe was the scenario I offered him, which I do not agree with at all. However, there are a lot of benefits to taking a low-dose ace or arb on gear if you bp can handle it.

If the slight rise in BP has got you frightened. Which that low is likely nothing at all but a bad night's rest or a burger you ate. Why even use gear? You likely don't earn your living with your physical appearance, and it's giving you anxiety. Why bother?

 

[Deucalion]

Jesus christ, thank you for catching that. I mean, god damn, that's a really inexcusable fuck-up if I had made it in another context.

I started responding to that post about BP, went into a room to deal with someone who had cholesterol issues, and finished the post talking about entirely the wrong fucking drugs. That's a major mistake -- thank you for catching it. I mean lisinopril and hydrochlorothiazide, but I should reiterate that there are like twenty *good* hypertension options now, and the choice depends on the patient and side-effect profile.

As you mention (and as I think I mentioned) lifestyle and sodium are the first places to look. I'm thinking we're talking in the context of gear use -- which still doesn't mean you can't keep your BP healthy w/o drugs. The other suggestion, which some guys are more likely to buy into, are Cialis and minoxidil. They'll both lower your BP a little bit, and help with the boner and hairline while they're at it. (Lots of guys end up on Cialis while on cycle just to deal with ED, so the problem solves itself.)

But the crop of BP meds now... there's one that is as safe as can be for pretty much every patient under the sun, so I wouldn't run screaming from them, no.

Man, thank you so much for being kind in calling out that error. I deserved to be roasted to shit for that.

I just did not know what you were saying. Honestly, we could all probably do with a statin too haha. But yea I totally agree side effect profile is very important. Usually, aces/arbs are well tolerated, small chance of raising potassium which is worrisome. I don't know how I feel about po minoxidil, it has a 3% chance of causing pericardial effusions, but they believe it is only in HF patients but that to my knowledge has not been proven only in that population.
I just feel like the members here have a very vast amount of knowledge so questioning things helps me understand better.

If the slight rise in BP has got you frightened. Which that low is likely nothing at all but a bad night's rest or a burger you ate. Why even use gear? You likely don't earn your living with your physical appearance, and it's giving you anxiety. Why bother?

I mean it is hard to argue a two-point jump or even the couple-point jump he had from pre-gear to post-gear is bad. In my mind it is the same as gear for me, I use it to refine and improve myself. I think mitigating risk and lowering bp to a more reasonable 115/75~ should be done on or off gear, but especially on gear to decrease risks we know are higher while on gear. A bp in the high 130's is being considered hypertension now instead of pre-hypertension. Heart disease is the number one killer in America. These guys doing mass amounts of gear are dropping dead young, from "heart conditions". I think if it is needed, more bp and cholesterol control is better than not worrying about it.

 

[Deleted member 21405]

I just did not know what you were saying. Honestly, we could all probably do with a statin too haha. But yea I totally agree side effect profile is very important. Usually, aces/arbs are well tolerated, small chance of raising potassium which is worrisome. I don't know how I feel about po minoxidil, it has a 3% chance of causing pericardial effusions, but they believe it is only in HF patients but that to my knowledge has not been proven only in that population.
I just feel like the members here have a very vast amount of knowledge so questioning things helps me understand better.

I mean it is hard to argue a two-point jump or even the couple-point jump he had from pre-gear to post-gear is bad. In my mind it is the same as gear for me, I use it to refine and improve myself. I think mitigating risk and lowering bp to a more reasonable 115/75~ should be done on or off gear, but especially on gear to decrease risks we know are higher while on gear. A bp in the high 130's is being considered hypertension now instead of pre-hypertension. Heart disease is the number one killer in America. These guys doing mass amounts of gear are dropping dead young, from "heart conditions". I think if it is needed, more bp and cholesterol control is better than not worrying about it.

Why not just diet and exercise? You don't need gear to look better. You're kind of avoiding the subject a little here. Everyone knows this about blood pressure just curious as to why with your paranoia over a couple point difference are you dabbling around with things that are generally bad for you.

Not trying to give you a hard time or anything. I've gone back and forth with the subject myself, but now am stuck on gear lol

 

[Deucalion]

Why not just diet and exercise? You don't need gear to look better. You're kind of avoiding the subject a little here. Everyone knows this about blood pressure just curious as to why with your paranoia over a couple point difference are you dabbling around with things that are generally bad for you.

Not trying to give you a hard time or anything. I've gone back and forth with the subject myself, but now am stuck on gear lol

I am not the op and a couple points is meh compared to him actually having hypertension while on gear which is the bigger concern since it is risk on top of risk. Two wrongs don't make a right haha, we all have our justifications for gear use. I accept the risks associated but am not going to say "I am already at a medium to high risk" why worry about mitigating risk in other areas?

 

[DHT]

Why not just diet and exercise? You don't need gear to look better. You're kind of avoiding the subject a little here. Everyone knows this about blood pressure just curious as to why with your paranoia over a couple point difference are you dabbling around with things that are generally bad for you.

Not trying to give you a hard time or anything. I've gone back and forth with the subject myself, but now am stuck on gear lol

this is a steroid forum, why are you questioning other peoples use of steroids?
high blood pressure is the #1 most common and important thing to watch out for on cycle, its also the easiest to fix
so you downplaying high blood pressure is extremely naive and irresponsible
just reply to everyone that has any side effect and say "why not diet and exercise and get off gear, you dont need gear"
when you yourself take gear, why dont YOU get off gear and fix your diet and training then?
thanks for stopping by to say that being concerned with high blood pressure is "paranoia"
youre telling people with high blood pressure, which is a risk factor for the top causes of death, to "dont worry about it bro"
dont tell people with medical issues that its no big deal, just because your dumba$$ doesnt care about your own body, too lazy and ignorant to simply take a pill to fix a serious medical problem
, if you dont think the "silent killer" is a big deal, then do your thing, but dont come on here telling other people "dont worry about it" just becauase you dont
youre literally giving harmful advice