High BP running Test/NPP/Mast

[snigglefutz]

Curious if anyone has run into high blood pressure on this stack or similar? Im currently going into my 5th week running 500Test/300NPP/300 Mast (mast added at week 3). I am leaning towards it being the NPP. I have been on trt for years and ran a few test only cycles at 500mg/week. The first week injecting Test/NPP only, I got a odd headache on the right side running up from my neck, like a mild migraine. I brushed it off as a side from the sudden influx of androgens. The headache continued on and off, then i thought to check my bp, it was 180/100. I immediately started telmisartan 40mg daily, that seems to keep it around 140-50/85-90. To get it to normal range i need to take 5mg of amlodipine as well. I added the mast in at week 3 to try and keep libido up which has started working well. I pulled bloods earlier this week thinking maybe my e2 was elevated, and its actually a smidge lower than i usually run. 21pg/ml, ref range is 8-35 pg/ml. The only other thing i can think of is carrier oil. It is in mct, which is a first for me. I have consumed mct oil orally with no ill effect though. I dont want to drop the NPP, but the BP issue gives me anxiety.

 

[Mrtandthefoo]

@snigglefutz are you doing cardio? How is your diet? Start with those and if no change then you need to drop dosages and/or compounds that’s dangerously high man

 

[snigglefutz]

@Mrtandthefoo yep, my diet is on point. I track macros on the daily, presently at 3200 cals. I eat whole foods, nothing processed. I drink green tea and water only. I would say close to 2 gallons of H20 a day. I do cardio 3-4 days a week. LISS cardio, like walking, as well as row and easy jogging.

TY for your feedback. I figured as much, im leaning in that direction. Drop it and see if my bp recovers. Im hoping the lingering metabolites dont keep it high.

It sucks. im afraid to squat or dl heavy for fear of a stroke.

 

[thelastnut]

What’s your body fat ?

 

[effswithtren]

My bp can get a little wonky sometimes, especially on heavier cycles. It’s worse with water retentive heavy cycles, but sometimes it just kinda seems to do its own thing.

You’re doing some of what I do to control it. I do 40 telmisartan/12.5 HCTZ, and a gram or so of dandelion root. I take asin to kee my e2 in range but really that’s something one should be doing anyway and BP modulation is just a benefit. Cardio of course helps, as does not having obscene amounts of sodium. I also do the sauna most days after the gym.

Not all of this is necessary, but truthfully I do as much of this for bloat reduction as I do blood pressure. A lot of times the two go hand in hand though.

Also, yeah it could def be the NPP. I’m running it for the first time myself right now. I’ve done deca in the past. So far it’s treated me far better than deca though. I’m getting way less bloat, way more fullness, and it came in week one instead of like week 6. If you’re like me, if NPP is doing this to you, you’d absolutely hate deca. I thought these differences in water retention between the two were mostly broscience, but they’ve treated me night and day different.

 

[beast405]

@snigglefutz said in /404:

Curious if anyone has run into high blood pressure on this stack or similar? Im currently going into my 5th week running 500Test/300NPP/300 Mast (mast added at week 3). I am leaning towards it being the NPP. I have been on trt for years and ran a few test only cycles at 500mg/week. The first week injecting Test/NPP only, I got a odd headache on the right side running up from my neck, like a mild migraine. I brushed it off as a side from the sudden influx of androgens. The headache continued on and off, then i thought to check my bp, it was 180/100. I immediately started telmisartan 40mg daily, that seems to keep it around 140-50/85-90. To get it to normal range i need to take 5mg of amlodipine as well. I added the mast in at week 3 to try and keep libido up which has started working well. I pulled bloods earlier this week thinking maybe my e2 was elevated, and its actually a smidge lower than i usually run. 21pg/ml, ref range is 8-35 pg/ml. The only other thing i can think of is carrier oil. It is in mct, which is a first for me. I have consumed mct oil orally with no ill effect though. I dont want to drop the NPP, but the BP issue gives me anxiety.

My blood pressure seems to always run a little higher on cycle. But never has been 180/100. Would def get that checked out bro. Lower dosages in the mean time to see if that helps

 

[snigglefutz]

@beast405 Thanks man, I appreciate the feedback. I pulled the npp yesterday. On meds I can get it to 150/90 , but Im getting higher spikes if I get irritated, or excited over something. Its not worth worrying for the next 2-3 months. Gonna let it wash out over the next week and see where my numbers go. First run with a 19nor, kinda sucks that is how I responded. Makes me leary of trying any others. Ive had good luck on moderate doses of test, so maybe I should stick to what I know.

 

[snigglefutz]

@thelastnut 12%

 

[snigglefutz]

@effswithtren thanks for the feedback, appreciate it. I pulled it yesterday. I think if my bp would stay stable I would continue, even if it was a bit elevated. As soon as I get worked up it spikes, even on the meds. I feel like maybe Im being a bit of a pussy about it, but I don’t want to feel stressed out and anxious over it for the next few months. I don’t know if I mentioned it in the original post but Im taking 12.5mg asin, e3d, for e2 control as well. Very little bloat. I went for a blood donation on Thursday, because my hematocrit was creeping at 52, well hydrated. It was 48 just 4 weeks ago at the start. The phlebotomy didn’t make a significant difference.

 

[Jordo]

Always higher on cycle. I’ve never noticed any changes adding Npp or at least noticeable ones. Mast sometimes seems to increase mine some idk if it’s a personal androgen response or what.

 

[Jordo]

Always higher on cycle. I’ve never noticed any changes adding Npp or at least noticeable ones. Mast sometimes seems to increase mine some idk if it’s a personal androgen response or what.