Higher test levels on HCG

[TreyJames]

I’ve been on self diagnosed TRT for 2 years almost and I just recently added HCG to replenish testicular size and function. I did my research before hand and found that HCG not only replenishes testicular size and fertility function but also raises test levels, thus obviously raising E2, so my question is have any of you guys on trt had to drop your trt dose due to HCG. I want to get to a point where I don’t have to use an AI on trt, but if my theory is correct and HCG does raise both test and e2 levels, then my trt dose will be like 60mg per week of test E. (Currently on 75mg wk of colonials test e @ 750ng/dl)

 

[jaycutlerslefttestic]

@TreyJames I used to use HCG but dropped it due it raising my e2…when I would use it I had to constantly battle with e2 sides which meant taking an AI twice a week…for me that’s odd because on 500mg a week of test c I usually only need 12.5mg aromasin a week…but on my TRT dose of 200 with HCG I was at 25mg a week.

I really don’t think that it does a whole lot (for me at least) my balls have shrunk a little…maybe…but it really isn’t even noticeable. I would rather use less AI and just drop the HCG personally

 

[TreyJames]

@jaycutlerslefttesticle that’s what happening to me. I haven’t got bloods yet but I’m on normal trt where I wouldn’t need an AI but I had to take some today because my nips were itchy af. I believe it’s the HCG. It sucks because I don’t wanna take the chance with fertility, but I also don’t wanna use an AI year round.

 

[jaycutlerslefttestic]

@TreyJames it is sort of a trade off, but I’m not completely convinced that the low doses of test that you would have on TRT would actually affect fertility. I know everyone is different but I personally know guys who run insane cycles and they’ve still managed to knock up their old ladies…if it’s something that is super important to you though (I never wanted kids so I don’t get it) then probably better to use it and err on the side of caution. You may have to use more AI if you are taking HCG…have you tried Aromasin? For me Aromasin seems to last a bit longer than anastrozole so I take less. I bought a box of 25 tablets (Pfizer, always buy pharma ai) and I’ve only used 2.5 tablets in the last couple months, and I’m not even completely sure I needed one of those…I just took it because my dick was acting weird.

 

[MikeAlstott]

Is it true that AI does not affect estrogen produced by HCG?

 

[fatliftingdude]

You will have to play it by the ear and get some bloodwork done to know how much you have to reduce your Test supplementation if you add HCG. There is no one fits all formula I’m afraid, this is highly individual.

Just get bloods after 2 weeks of hcg, stay on your normal regiment, and look at the new values, and only change it if: You get side effects AND have elevated estrogen levels. Then repeat 3-4 weeks later with new regiment, and so on. Once you dialed it in, you should be good to go.

 

[Synergy Forge]

@MikeAlstott I always wonder where some of these thoughts come from but the short answer is no, that’s not true. In one study (link below), it was determined that during gonadotropin (hCG) therapy, the addition of an AI or SERM are typically implemented and the approach has demonstrated excellent results in treating infertility and keeping E2 serum levels low. It is constantly referenced in the research publication with charts showing hcg in combination with Arimidex as well as Letrozole along with the recommended dosages titrated up according to testosterone levels. Hope it helps, I’m an information junky, apologies.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4854084/

Syn

 

[bahamu7]

@TreyJames

@TreyJames said in /404:

I’ve been on self diagnosed TRT for 2 years almost and I just recently added HCG to replenish testicular size and function. I did my research before hand and found that HCG not only replenishes testicular size and fertility function but also raises test levels, thus obviously raising E2, so my question is have any of you guys on trt had to drop your trt dose due to HCG. I want to get to a point where I don’t have to use an AI on trt, but if my theory is correct and HCG does raise both test and e2 levels, then my trt dose will be like 60mg per week of test E. (Currently on 75mg wk of colonials test e @ 750ng/dl)

hey man, out of topic but which concentration of test e do you use and which carrier oil? I assume you’re pinning subq at that dosage right? I bought from colonial and I made the mistake of pinning 0.3ml of test e 500mg/ml MCT oil. I have massive pip with redness and a lump. I’m not blaming it on him, his stuff is g2g, but can you share some insight about what you use and if it gives you pip/lump/redness? thanks

 

[TreyJames]

@bahamu7 yeah man, colonial is my go to. I use his test e 250 in GSO (king of oils IMO) I use a .5cc 5/16 insulin pin and I almost always do quads, I’m lean so it rarely goes sub Q, the redness is normal if you have a sub q leak, or if you just go full sub Q. I do Monday and Thursday injections. I’ve pinned everywhere, lats, delta, quads, ventra glutes, biceps. Basically find the biggest muscle with the thinnest layer of fat (for me it’s lats or quads, and pin there. That’s your least likely place to get a sub q leak, pip or redness. Also consider the fact that you have to find the oil that suits you. Some guys can’t do GSO and have no reaction to MTC, I react bad to MCT, awful pip. What you can do if you already bought the mct is get a bottle of filtered GSO off Amazon or eBay and cut it. So when you stay up your test, draw up an equal amount of pure GSO and it’ll help without a doubt.

 

[bahamu7]

@TreyJames said in Higher test levels on HCG:

@bahamu7 yeah man, colonial is my go to. I use his test e 250 in GSO (king of oils IMO) I use a .5cc 5/16 insulin pin and I almost always do quads, I’m lean so it rarely goes sub Q, the redness is normal if you have a sub q leak, or if you just go full sub Q. I do Monday and Thursday injections. I’ve pinned everywhere, lats, delta, quads, ventra glutes, biceps. Basically find the biggest muscle with the thinnest layer of fat (for me it’s lats or quads, and pin there. That’s your least likely place to get a sub q leak, pip or redness. Also consider the fact that you have to find the oil that suits you. Some guys can’t do GSO and have no reaction to MTC, I react bad to MCT, awful pip. What you can do if you already bought the mct is get a bottle of filtered GSO off Amazon or eBay and cut it. So when you stay up your test, draw up an equal amount of pure GSO and it’ll help without a doubt.

thanks for the reply man, I am doing subq on purpose to give the muscles a break while i’m cruising, but i guess the high mg/ml concentration totally annihilated me. I mean, it’s a BIG lump and redness that subsided very little after 6 days. I’ve started taking antibiotics in case it’s a cellulitis but they don’t seem to do much. So my thoughts are that i should try 250mg/ml concentration with GSO to see how it goes

 

[TreyJames]

@Synergy-Forge I appreciate the link and the advice. I’ll look into it.

 

[TreyJames]

@fatliftingdude I figured that’s what I’d have to do. It’s what I normally do. It’s just weird how it happened, I’ve been in trt for a bit now and start the HCG abiut a month ago and I woke up a few days ago with noticeably high E2. All the sign were there. But yeah I’m gonna drop the test by 10mg and get bloods.

 

[MikeAlstott]

@Synergy-Forge Thank you, Syn. This helps tremendously. I’ve always wondered where some of these thoughts come from too. I’ve read this one about AI not affecting HCG related estrogen numerous times, most likely on Reddit, and I always questioned it.

Another one in a similar vein of thoughts: do people need to use HCG year-round while they are blasting and cruising to maintain fertility or risk losing it? It seems some people advocate it’s use year-round for this and other benefits, while others only use it when they are running a “fertility protocol” to attempt conceiving a baby.

 

[beefee321]

What is your HCG dosing protocol?

 

[biker811]

@MikeAlstott said in Higher test levels on HCG:

Another one in a similar vein of thoughts: do people need to use HCG year-round while they are blasting and cruising to maintain fertility or risk losing it? It seems some people advocate it’s use year-round for this and other benefits, while others only use it when they are running a “fertility protocol” to attempt conceiving a baby.

Good question I’ve also been wondering.