I need help with my 2nd cycle

[Saucey]

Hello everyone. My second cycle starts this month and will be

-300 mg Test E3.5D (Week 1-20)
-50 mg Dbol Pre-WO (Week 1-4)
-50 mg Tbol Pre-WO (Week 16-20)
-150 IU HCG EoD (Pharma Grade.)
-12.5 mg Aromasin E3.5D (Will increase while on Dbol. Pharma Grade.)
-80 mg Accutane ED (Starting at 80 mg. Will reduce down to 40-50 if sides are to much. Pharma Grade.)
-1 mg Finasteride ED (I take this anyways. I like my hair.)
-RU 58841 (Just while on cycle)

I am concerned with BP problems while on Dbol. I have never taken it before, so I don’t know how my body will react. Also moonface. I bloated bad on my first cycle with just Test. I’ll monitor BP and take Telmisartan if it gets out of control. Last cycle my only side effects were slightly elevated BP, dyslipidemia, and acne. I am not extremely concerned about the first two as I rarely cycle. It’s been about two years, and my next (third) cycle won’t be about for another 2 years. Still bad, but could be worse if I BnC. My strange off times may not make any sense to some of you, and that is ok. Life circumstances. While my acne wasn’t as bad as some, it was still bad enough for me to consider it unacceptable and hurt my physique. The point of bodybuilding is to look good, and when you have gross acne covering your face and body it defeats the point of looking good. Last cycle I took 20 mg Accutane ED, and it wasn’t enough. I didn’t receive any side effects from it. 80 mg from what I understand is a standard, rigorous, dose.

-Do you recommend something different than Telmisartan? Why?
-Do you recommend an OTC diuretic? I have read it can help with the bloating Dbol gives.

Thank you and have a good day. I tried posting this to the subreddit in the daily thread but it was auto deleted. I assume because my account was new.

fixed;

300 mg Test E3.5D. Only 600 mg a week, not 1200 mg. Sorry for confusion, I mistyped.

 

[Gbunk]

I see a lot of issues with this.

1. If this is your second cycle, why are you throwing in all these new compounds?
2. If you are new to these new compounds, why are you starting at high doses?
3. If you are worried about bloating and bp why are you starting so high on dbol? Let alone you don’t know how it aromatizes?

 

[MikeAlstott]

Dude, definitely do not start Accutane at 80 mg a day. I would avoid Accutane altogether if you can. Do you have bloods for your lipids? What kind of acne are you getting and where?

If you are complaining about moon face and being bloated on just Test, maybe your diet was fucked or you need to up the AI, or both. It sounds like you need to up your AI and you definitely will with 50 mg Dbol. What were your mid cycle bloods?

 

[Saucey]

@Gbunk
I took Tbol with my first cycle. The only new compound is Dbol. I wanted to try dbol sometime, so I figure I’ll start it this go around. Everything listed I have taken in the past, Only Dbol is new. I will move the dbol down to 25mg instead and re evaluate what happens. I’m more worried about bloat than I am BP. I cycle very infrequently, so temporarily elevated BP doesn’t worry me as it’s not chronic, and otherwise my health parameters are excellent. Thank you for your help.

@MikeAlstott
I know accutane is very controversial. From what I read, 80 mg is a standard dose that a dermatologist would prescribe for a rigorous course of Accutane. I still get pimples from time to time, and I want it wiped off my face and body forever on or off cycle. I want to do an actual course of Accutane, not just the low dose 20 mg that I did before. Because of life circumstances and timing, I figure I’ll do it during my cycle to keep the acne away, and then away forever. I know people that have done a course of Accutane and never got acne again or even a single pimple. I was getting acne on my face and shoulders. There were some spots elsewhere but far less noticeable. The acne on my shoulders actually left |||slight||| scarring but no scarring on my face. I want it gone forever.

I get bloodwork done regularly. Last cycle I had bloodwork before cycle, multiple times during cycle, and after cycle. I am doing the same with this cycle. I have pre pubertal gynecomastia, which I will be getting the surgery for soon, so I kept my estrogen between 22-30 pg/mL. I never had it out of that range, I was very good at guessing my estrogen levels and confirming it with bloodwork. Dbol is going to mix it up, but I’ll move it down to 25 mg and evaluate from there. I believe it was my diet was the culprit with sodium.

Would diuretics help, or is it a waste of time?

 

[Gbunk]

You might want to see how your lipids are before you start an oral at the end. Dbol 20-30 to see ho you like it and or to adjust to it and then move it up if you want but I’m sure you could get a lot of benifit from a lower dose your first time.

 

[EpicFlash]

Your other posts indicated you ran 500mg of test on your 1st cycle?.. and you had just about every side that high test could give you and now you are going to 1.2 grams a week?. And adding a high dose of dbol?.. what could possibly go wrong?..
let’s ask this another way…. Since you ran multiple bloods, what were your test levels on your 1st cycle?.all of these ancillaries may be able to be somewhat avoided with better compound selection for your cycle……

 

[Saucey]

@Gbunk
Good idea thank you
@EpicFlash
Yes I took 500 mg test my first cycle, now I will take 600 mg a week. I mistyped 600 not 300 sorry about that. Previously my total T peaked at around 3900 ng/dL and my free T peaked around 1200 ng/dL 32-34 hours after injection (that is when I draw blood for consistency).

 

[MikeAlstott]

@Saucey Accutane is not the end all of acne if you are using gear my friend. It will come back. Likely the people you are referring to that “never” got acne again are people that have never touched gear in their life. You need to understand that 80 mg will most likely fuck with you. You will be dry everywhere including your joints. It’s a ridiculous dose for bodybuilding purposes in my opinion. I am asking about your lipids because if you have high triglycerides then that could be a cause of your acne. You need to do some cardio in that case, clean up the diet, and there are a list of supplements I can give you that will help (even if you don’t have high triglycerides). Definitely do not use diuretics, you aren’t stepping on stage, it just doesn’t make sense. Maybe consider Dandelion Root, but even then I don’t have experience with that.

Try mega dosing Vitamin B6 while on cycle as well, like 5 - 10 grams a day.

 

[MikeAlstott]

@Saucey I also wanted to add that you should try using a combination of Tretinoin cream 0.025 and Clindamycin lotion every night before bed.

 

[Saucey]

@MikeAlstott
My average Triglycerides last cycle was 65 mg/dL, stable around there. Even off cycle I average 65 triglycerides. But my HDL was in the 20’s and my LDL ranged from 90 - 120. I believe it was because I took Anavar for a few days prior to the last mid-cycle bloodtest and so it caused my HDL/LDL to get much worse suddenly. I only took Anavar for a few days and stopped, and swapped it with tbol. Off cycle my HDL is in the 40s or 50s, and my LDL in the 70s.

I will take the accutane down to 40 mg instead and will get some dandelion root, B6, and clindamycin. I heard combining any vitamin A directive like Tretinoin or even Beta Carotene with Accutane is bad, and that accutane should be taken by itself only. Is that not true?

 

[zyzzsickkvnt]

why not drop the other crap and just simply add deca? been best cycle for me so far just about side effect free.
im tempted to add some dbol in tho in another month but dont really think orals are worth it anymore.

cialis def lowers bp, atleast for me. you can also try stuff like carditone, ashwagandha, hawthorne berry, l thenine, taurine to try to help bp and heart rate.

 

[MikeAlstott]

@Saucey Ok, got it. Well if you want to use Accutane then drop everything else I mentioned basically. How bad is your acne? I used to think Accutane was the only thing that could help me, but I’d rather feel good and have lubricated joints instead. You can fix your acne with everything else I mentioned rather than use the nuke that is Accutane.

 

[Saucey]

@MikeAlstott
Its not as bad as most people’s acne I think, but it’s enough to bother me. I get it even off cycle. Maybe I can’t avoid acne on cycle, but if I can at least avoid it off cycle I will be happy.
@zyzzsickkvnt
19-nor. And as they say, test is best.

 

[MikeAlstott]

@Saucey You can avoid it on cycle with proper supplementation. Trust me I’ve done many cycles of Accutane on and off cycle, my acne was never horrible but it was like you said, enough to bother me. Just me 2 cents it’s worth a shot to try it before you go on Accutane. Your body is probably trying to process the compounds and hormones and they aren’t being excreted properly. I know this sounds like some big bro science, but I’m telling you man. Vitamin B5 along with supplements I can list. My skin hasn’t been this good in a long time and I’m on blast right now. My face is clear, my back is basically clear and clearing up more, it’s barely noticeable. I’d take this route over the tane any day if it’s possible.

 

[Saucey]

@MikeAlstott
What else do you take besides the vitamin B5?