Insulin

[Morningcupofjuice]

I don't see insulin for the use of bodybuilding talked about much at all anywhere. I wanted to make this post because I believe that if utilized correctly administering insulin along with your anabolic stack can provide the same amount of muscle gain as adding an extra 500mg-G of gear, which otherwise would produce an excess of unwanted side effects. It's my first day running Lantus (20mg) in conjunction with humalog (4mg)15 min before meals. It's been a while since ive used slin so I'm starting off low and will increase when needed. I'm planning on doing a one day on one day off protocol in attempt to avoid spiking tolerance. Anyone else try this method? Any info on insulin for non diabetics leave below I think many people can benefit by educating themselves on this compound. I AM NOT TELLING ANYONE TO GO AND DO INSULIN IT IS DANGEROUS AND YOU CAN DIE IF NOT USED PROPERLY....

 

[CaptainAmerica]

There's plenty of information online about insulin use in bodybuilding. I don't know that you looked very hard. I think/hope you mean iu vs mg also but in any case that's not "low" use. That's actually pretty high. As comparison, I take 3iu pre and post workout and that's it. You're taking a lot of insulin comparatively. Insulin works if used properly but if not it can just make you fat if you're not careful.

 

[JamesDoe350]

I don't see insulin for the use of bodybuilding talked about much at all anywhere. I wanted to make this post because I believe that if utilized correctly administering insulin along with your anabolic stack can provide the same amount of muscle gain as adding an extra 500mg-G of gear, which otherwise would produce an excess of unwanted side effects. It's my first day running Lantus (20mg) in conjunction with humalog (4mg)15 min before meals. It's been a while since ive used slin so I'm starting off low and will increase when needed. I'm planning on doing a one day on one day off protocol in attempt to avoid spiking tolerance. Anyone else try this method? Any info on insulin for non diabetics leave below I think many people can benefit by educating themselves on this compound. I AM NOT TELLING ANYONE TO GO AND DO INSULIN IT IS DANGEROUS AND YOU CAN DIE IF NOT USED PROPERLY....

i agree with captain, you have lantus at 20 IU and then fast acting at 4IU. lantus at 20 is a lot of slin and youre adding the fast acting too.

what is your carb intake? seems like youre going to match your carbs to you slin and not slin to your carbs. intra work out shake etc? give us the whole protocol. fasted b.g. are you monitoring it on slin?

im pro slin if used correctly youll have great results. i dont see a point in doing the 20IU of lantus then off then on. just stay on 4w then off 4w. if you have fast acting slin, if you can "run it for forever" because its out of your system and youre back to producing slin naturally.

the beta cells being shut down is a highly misunderstood topic for adding slin when we dont need it. arguments are made on both sides. if you dont need slin, b.g. fasted isnt super high, i dont see a need for both. i understand WHY you would but i think its not needed. if b.g. is high fasted i would recommend slin to get the beta cells a helping hand crushing 600+ carbs. we stay all day with high slin levels from eating 5-6 times a day.

keep us up to date. im interested. not enough people talk about slin because they are misinformed and think its going to kill you at 1iu.

 

[Morningcupofjuice]

There's plenty of information online about insulin use in bodybuilding. I don't know that you looked very hard. I think/hope you mean iu vs mg also but in any case that's not "low" use. That's actually pretty high. As comparison, I take 3iu pre and post workout and that's it. You're taking a lot of insulin comparatively. Insulin works if used properly but if not it can just make you fat if you're not careful.

Yes you are correct that was a huge typo I did mean 20 unites or IU NOT milligrams, thank you for catching that, no one should be injecting 20mg of insulin under any circumstance. There may be some info on insulin online but not enough in my opinion, I think people in the community, including myself can benefit from learning more about insulin as it is very dangerous but as you said can be very useful for muscle gaining purposes if used correctly. My diet is very clean so Im not worried about getting fat right now, but if I do I will leave an update here.

 

[Morningcupofjuice]

i agree with captain, you have lantus at 20 IU and then fast acting at 4IU. lantus at 20 is a lot of slin and youre adding the fast acting too.

what is your carb intake? seems like youre going to match your carbs to you slin and not slin to your carbs. intra work out shake etc? give us the whole protocol. fasted b.g. are you monitoring it on slin?

im pro slin if used correctly youll have great results. i dont see a point in doing the 20IU of lantus then off then on. just stay on 4w then off 4w. if you have fast acting slin, if you can "run it for forever" because its out of your system and youre back to producing slin naturally.

the beta cells being shut down is a highly misunderstood topic for adding slin when we dont need it. arguments are made on both sides. if you dont need slin, b.g. fasted isnt super high, i dont see a need for both. i understand WHY you would but i think its not needed. if b.g. is high fasted i would recommend slin to get the beta cells a helping hand crushing 600+ carbs. we stay all day with high slin levels from eating 5-6 times a day.

keep us up to date. im interested. not enough people talk about slin because they are misinformed and think its going to kill you at 1iu.

I understand this can seem like "a lot of slin" but everyone's body reacts differently to insulin and from previous experience my body can handle a lot with tremendous benefits. I do not use intra workout shakes and eat a lot of carbs whether on on slin or not. I eat 3-4 sliced up potatoes a day with 2 cups of rice 2-3x a day. Ive never been one to count my macros but thats my food intake as far as carbs. You think that four weeks on four weeks off may be a better approach? I have tried this and it worked well. It was my theory I had that if I took a one day on one day off approach that in turn I would not lose insulin sensitivity, or prolong my sensitivity from declining, is this false? Is it because of the possible spillover of the lantus having such a long half life? I agree it is a very misunderstood compound and can provide great benefits when used correctly.

 

[PteRoy]

Vigorous Steve wrote an ebook on insulin use for bodybuilding. I'm the guy who reviewed all of his ebooks before going on sale. If you're interested about insulin use I'd highly recommend it. We go into a whole lot of detail as well as different protocols for muscle growth as well as fat loss while using insulin. You can find it on his website.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Yes you are correct that was a huge typo I did mean 20 unites or IU NOT milligrams, thank you for catching that, no one should be injecting 20mg of insulin under any circumstance. There may be some info on insulin online but not enough in my opinion, I think people in the community, including myself can benefit from learning more about insulin as it is very dangerous but as you said can be very useful for muscle gaining purposes if used correctly. My diet is very clean so Im not worried about getting fat right now, but if I do I will leave an update here.

With slin it’s not really about a clean diet. Any caloric spillover will be shoved into the cells and stored and the body’s caloric storage system is fat.

Just to put it simply you’re on way too much insulin

 

[Gullinbursti]

i agree with captain, you have lantus at 20 IU and then fast acting at 4IU. lantus at 20 is a lot of slin and youre adding the fast acting too.

what is your carb intake? seems like youre going to match your carbs to you slin and not slin to your carbs. intra work out shake etc? give us the whole protocol. fasted b.g. are you monitoring it on slin?

im pro slin if used correctly youll have great results. i dont see a point in doing the 20IU of lantus then off then on. just stay on 4w then off 4w. if you have fast acting slin, if you can "run it for forever" because its out of your system and youre back to producing slin naturally.

the beta cells being shut down is a highly misunderstood topic for adding slin when we dont need it. arguments are made on both sides. if you dont need slin, b.g. fasted isnt super high, i dont see a need for both. i understand WHY you would but i think its not needed. if b.g. is high fasted i would recommend slin to get the beta cells a helping hand crushing 600+ carbs. we stay all day with high slin levels from eating 5-6 times a day.

keep us up to date. im interested. not enough people talk about slin because they are misinformed and think its going to kill you at 1iu.

You seem smarter than I thought you may have been after reading some of your other thoughts and comments. At least I think it was you previously. Interesting info

 

[JamesDoe350]

You seem smarter than I thought you may have been after reading some of your other thoughts and comments. At least I think it was you previously. Interesting info

im not sure if i should be insulted or not. i hope i dont spread false info or anything that "makes me look stupid".

we all respond differently, while i wouldnt say someone was dumb for a different protocol, i would say youre dumb if you ran aas with no proper diet. lol

 

[JamesDoe350]

I understand this can seem like "a lot of slin" but everyone's body reacts differently to insulin and from previous experience my body can handle a lot with tremendous benefits. I do not use intra workout shakes and eat a lot of carbs whether on on slin or not. I eat 3-4 sliced up potatoes a day with 2 cups of rice 2-3x a day. Ive never been one to count my macros but thats my food intake as far as carbs. You think that four weeks on four weeks off may be a better approach? I have tried this and it worked well. It was my theory I had that if I took a one day on one day off approach that in turn I would not lose insulin sensitivity, or prolong my sensitivity from declining, is this false? Is it because of the possible spillover of the lantus having such a long half life? I agree it is a very misunderstood compound and can provide great benefits when used correctly.

interesting to hear your approach to fast acting with no issues with intra workout carbs. i understand you have a high surplus throughout the day just would scare me to pin fast and then lift with my only "safety net" being my previous and post meals. like you said, you respond well to slin. do it your way. there is no 100% proof that running slin will make you go type 2. all i was saying with the 4x4 is a different protocol. lantus having an active window of 26?? hours youll have carry over if you pin in the morning. if you ran slin like you say you did and you came off and had functioning b.g. control then run it however you want cause you did fine i more or less was just trying to give a different approach to it.

what is your fasted b.g. number pre slin EVER, then fasted pre lantus then post lantus?