Intense Cycles

[Batmanhimself]

What are the largest dose cycles any of you have tried and how were the results compared to moderate cycles?

 

[Case-Akilleez]

What are the largest dose cycles any of you have tried and how were the results compared to moderate cycles?

Around 1.5 grams total for me. This was years ago though. A couple of times I tried to push in the 2 gram range, I quickly backed down. I just felt like shit.

As far as the results, yes I’d say the results were definitely more pronounced when compared to something like 1 gram total. It’s worth noting that my training and eating were on point during that time, making sure I made the most of it. Is it worth it? Hard to say, I guess it really just depends on your averseness to risk.

I just do my best to find a balance in between getting desired results and feeling generally good. I’m less inclined to want to push through side effects, especially as I’ve gotten older.

Are you considering upping your doses? What are you looking at doing? Just curious, no judgement here.

 

[Deucalion]

Around 1.5 grams total for me. This was years ago though. A couple of times I tried to push in the 2 gram range, I quickly backed down. I just felt like shit.

As far as the results, yes I’d say the results were definitely more pronounced when compared to something like 1 gram total. It’s worth noting that my training and eating were on point during that time, making sure I made the most of it. Is it worth it? Hard to say, I guess it really just depends on your averseness to risk.

I just do my best to find a balance in between getting desired results and feeling generally good. I’m less inclined to want to push through side effects, especially as I’ve gotten older.

Are you considering upping your doses? What are you looking at doing? Just curious, no judgement here.

Random and dumb question here, but what was the breakdown of your gear at 1 and 1.5 grams generally?

 

[Case-Akilleez]

Random and dumb question here, but what was the breakdown of your gear at 1 and 1.5 grams generally?

Nah, not dumb at all. The couple of times I was at 1.5g, that was around 700 test E, 700 npp.

The times around 1g have been various different things. I’ve enjoyed experimenting with compounds over the years, but usually it was test and/or nand taking the bulk of that, along with things like DHB, tren, mast, EQ, ment, primo, and various orals.

I’ve done quite a few unconventional “cycles” of differing dosages, durations, etc. I just like to see how I react and what results come of it.

I’ve ran both deca and npp without test, one time I ran just ment and npp, I’ve also just took 12.5 mgs of dbol a day during a cruise because I was tired of pinning lol. I performed just fine sexually.

But by far my most productive blast was the 7/7 test npp, and in the last month or so, I added around 140 mgs of tren acetate a week. Holy hell that sent shit into overdrive. I’m not sure if it was from all estro I had floating around in my system or what, but my weight skyrocketed. I was pushing 240 at that time, which is heavy for me. I was also taking some orals off and on throughout. I really used to love to combine orals, dbol and tbol together at 25/25 was my go-to. I also liked anavar/mtren combo. I’d usually do something like 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off.

 

[Deucalion]

Nah, not dumb at all. The couple of times I was at 1.5g, that was around 700 test E, 700 npp.

The times around 1g have been various different things. I’ve enjoyed experimenting with compounds over the years, but usually it was test and/or nand taking the bulk of that, along with things like DHB, tren, mast, EQ, ment, primo, and various orals.

I’ve done quite a few unconventional “cycles” of differing dosages, durations, etc. I just like to see how I react and what results come of it.

I’ve ran both deca and npp without test, one time I ran just ment and npp, I’ve also just took 12.5 mgs of dbol a day during a cruise because I was tired of pinning lol. I performed just fine sexually.

But by far my most productive blast was the 7/7 test npp, and in the last month or so, I added around 140 mgs of tren acetate a day. Holy hell that sent shit into overdrive. I’m not sure if it was from all estro I had floating around in my system or what, but my weight skyrocketed. I was pushing 240 at that time, which is heavy for me. I was also taking some orals off and on throughout. I really used to love to combine orals, dbol and tbol together at 25/25 was my go-to. I also liked anavar/mtren combo. I’d usually do something like 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off.

Gotcha, how in the world do you out-eat the 7/7 haha? I am struggling to eat so badly right now, hitting 4.5k-5k cals clean bulk on 500 T 300 primo is not doing it for me (my second cycle, I have not hit 500 or 300 yet, but probably should next week) . The scale isn't moving and my muscles are not recovering nearly as fast, kinda feels like when you cut too hard and your muscles are sore for a little longer than they should be.

Haha holy smokes no T, I mean if it worked it works man... I don't know if I would try that but I get it, injections suck sometimes.

Damn, that is amazing 235-240 is my goal -3-4% bf and - water weight.

What was your most recent cycle? Now that you are very experienced etc. how much muscle can you hope to put on during cycles and bulks now?

 

[Case-Akilleez]

Gotcha, how in the world do you out-eat the 7/7 haha? I am struggling to eat so badly right now, hitting 4.5k-5k cals clean bulk on 500 T 300 primo is not doing it for me (my second cycle, I have not hit 500 or 300 yet, but probably should next week) . The scale isn't moving and my muscles are not recovering nearly as fast, kinda feels like when you cut too hard and your muscles are sore for a little longer than they should be.

Haha holy smokes no T, I mean if it worked it works man... I don't know if I would try that but I get it, injections suck sometimes.

Damn, that is amazing 235-240 is my goal -3-4% bf and - water weight.

What was your most recent cycle? Now that you are very experienced etc. how much muscle can you hope to put on during cycles and bulks now?

Not sure if you saw, but I had to edit my post. Those last few weeks of the 7/7 I added 140 mgs of tren A per week (20 mgs/day). Not 140 per day lol. Typo. I’d rather jump off a bridge than run 980 of tren A per week lol. It hits me like a freight train even in small doses.

But yeah, that’s tough man. If there’s one single thing that’s been problematic for me in reaching goals, it’s taking calories in. Not to pat myself on the back, but I feel training wise I can go toe-to-toe with anyone. Eating however, has always held me back. 5k cals of clean food is nearly impossible for me. I usually do a combo of dirty bulk/ clean bulk to get calories in. Cutting? That’s easy street for me. I’ve been sub 10 many times, I mean absolutely shredded at times, and I find that infinitely easier than bulking. I know many, or even most couldn’t relate.

If you’re not recovering the way you think you should, you might consider taking a few extra rest days during your training split or even a deload. Raising your caloric intake may help as well via the dirty bulk method, but that may not fit your goals. Understandable if so.

And yeah, that dbol cruise isn’t something I’d probably recommend to anyone, but you can get by without test assuming you’re taking an aromatizing compound. That was a long time ago before I discovered the power of insulin pins lol. I’ve since ran blasts where I’ve pinned every day, and it gives me no issues.

My most recent blast is the one I’m on now, 500 test/490 NPP. First blast since early 2020, so it’s been a minute. It’s gone fairly well. I’m a couple months in. There’s some things I could be doing better. Id have to say I’ve made some nice improvements thus far, and im anxious to see my body composition once I cut down. Right now I’m a bit under 230, I’d like to hit mid 230s by the time I wrap it up.

But anyway, I think you’re well on your way to getting where you want to be man. This may sound strange, but I have more confidence in you than anyone else here. I read your posts, I can tell you have an affinity for all things anabolics, training and dieting, just like I do. With the application of your knowledge and intelligence, you’ll go a long way. Keep it up.

 

[Deucalion]

Not sure if you saw, but I had to edit my post. Those last few weeks of the 7/7 I added 140 mgs of tren A per week (20 mgs/day). Not 140 per day lol. Typo. I’d rather jump off a bridge than run 980 of tren A per week lol. It hits me like a freight train even in small doses.

But yeah, that’s tough man. If there’s one single thing that’s been problematic for me in reaching goals, it’s taking calories in. Not to pat myself on the back, but I feel training wise I can go toe-to-toe with anyone. Eating however, has always held me back. 5k cals of clean food is nearly impossible for me. I usually do a combo of dirty bulk/ clean bulk to get calories in. Cutting? That’s easy street for me. I’ve been sub 10 many times, I mean absolutely shredded at times, and I find that infinitely easier than bulking. I know many, or even most couldn’t relate.

If you’re not recovering the way you think you should, you might consider taking a few extra rest days during your training split or even a deload. Raising your caloric intake may help as well via the dirty bulk method, but that may not fit your goals. Understandable if so.

And yeah, that dbol cruise isn’t something I’d probably recommend to anyone, but you can get by without test assuming you’re taking an aromatizing compound. That was a long time ago before I discovered the power of insulin pins lol. I’ve since ran blasts where I’ve pinned every day, and it gives me no issues.

My most recent blast is the one I’m on now, 500 test/490 NPP. First blast since early 2020, so it’s been a minute. It’s gone fairly well. I’m a couple months in. There’s some things I could be doing better. Id have to say I’ve made some nice improvements thus far, and im anxious to see my body composition once I cut down. Right now I’m a bit under 230, I’d like to hit mid 230s by the time I wrap it up.

But anyway, I think you’re well on your way to getting where you want to be man. This may sound strange, but I have more confidence in you than anyone else here. I read your posts, I can tell you have an affinity for all things anabolics, training and dieting, just like I do. With the application of your knowledge and intelligence, you’ll go a long way. Keep it up.

Yea, I have been forced to cut gym days, just doesn't make sense to hit sore muscles. I may have to mix up the diet a little bit. I do not want to waste my second blast and expensive ass primo lol... Which is why I am trying to make corrections asap.

Oh man, that is awesome I am envious of that 230... That sounds like a solid cycle and plan.

Thank you, I hope so. I wouldn't go that far though, you should see my sloppy threads when I started here... I was on my first cycle eating like 2k calories wondering why I plateaued after a couple of weeks.. It is amazing how much muscle I put on during my first blast given how poor my diet and routine were for 60% of it. I feel like your first blast is very forgiving, luckily. I was bad bro. This forum has been amazing for information. I appreciate your letting me pick your brain for more info haha.

 

[Batmanhimself]

I’ve used 1900 mg in the last 50 days of my cycle when you consider that long esters are only .7 of the compound and orals are 100 percent. I don’t know what I plan on doing yet but I will probably run a massive cycle when I’m ready. You look really good for those doses what’s your usual cycle? I’ve been thinking about trying ment?

 

[jumdumpster]

my highest milligram cycle ended up working up to a gram of test, 300 mg of eq, 300mg of mast, and 100mg of var. it was also my worst prep ever. i felt fine on the gear so i chalk up my prep being horrific strength wise to my programming, just being horribly fatigued and my coach not listening. so i guess lesson learned that more gear cant make up for shitty training, but i fucking tried.

 

[Case-Akilleez]

I’ve used 1900 mg in the last 50 days of my cycle when you consider that long esters are only .7 of the compound and orals are 100 percent. I don’t know what I plan on doing yet but I will probably run a massive cycle when I’m ready. You look really good for those doses what’s your usual cycle? I’ve been thinking about trying ment?

Thanks man, I really appreciate that. You should consider that I’ve been lifting a very long time at this point, so that’s definitely part of the equation.

But my usual in the larger blasts is usually test and NPP. That’s been my go-to over the years. I react really well to that combo. 700 of each is the most I’ve went and it really fills me out.

I’ve used ment once, probably 5 years ago now, so I don’t recall specific details such as dosage. But I was certainly big, muscles were round and full. Definitely very watery for me. I was taking a blend from hunter pharm that was npp/ment. Wasn’t using test. I wouldn’t mind experimenting with it some more.

 

[Case-Akilleez]

my highest milligram cycle ended up working up to a gram of test, 300 mg of eq, 300mg of mast, and 100mg of var. it was also my worst prep ever. i felt fine on the gear so i chalk up my prep being horrific strength wise to my programming, just being horribly fatigued and my coach not listening. so i guess lesson learned that more gear cant make up for shitty training, but i fucking tried.

You gonna give it another run with a different coach?

 

[jumdumpster]

You gonna give it another run with a different coach?

i did switch coaches actually and we already hit my goal i had hehe
now its onto even more
gonna run a similar cycle to my last one, test/npp/ment/anadrol just MORE

 

[Case-Akilleez]

i did switch coaches actually and we already hit my goal i had hehe
now its onto even more
gonna run a similar cycle to my last one, test/npp/ment/anadrol just MORE

Hell yeah man, glad to hear it. Sounds like a fun blast

 

[Batmanhimself]

i did switch coaches actually and we already hit my goal i had hehe
now its onto even more
gonna run a similar cycle to my last one, test/npp/ment/anadrol just MORE

What doses of test/npp/ment are you planning to use?

 

[jumdumpster]

What doses of test/npp/ment are you planning to use?

last time it was 600 test c 350 npp and 50 ment
very very solid strength PRs
this time probably 750 test 400 npp 100 ment. although i did hold a lot of water so maybe something to help that.

 

[Batmanhimself]

Around 1.5 grams total for me. This was years ago though. A couple of times I tried to push in the 2 gram range, I quickly backed down. I just felt like shit.

As far as the results, yes I’d say the results were definitely more pronounced when compared to something like 1 gram total. It’s worth noting that my training and eating were on point during that time, making sure I made the most of it. Is it worth it? Hard to say, I guess it really just depends on your averseness to risk.

I just do my best to find a balance in between getting desired results and feeling generally good. I’m less inclined to want to push through side effects, especially as I’ve gotten older.

Are you considering upping your doses? What are you looking at doing? Just curious, no judgement here.

I plan on using 700-100 mg tren and possibly running high test with it. I’ve never done a high test cycle because I find estrogen management painfully complicated ive been reading about testosterone estrogen ratios. I have problems with low and high estrogen on cycle but on trt I’m fine letting it run high ish right now with better results. What’s the highest you’ve run your estrogen and what was your testosterone at the time bro?

 

[Batmanhimself]

last time it was 600 test c 350 npp and 50 ment
very very solid strength PRs
this time probably 750 test 400 npp 100 ment. although i did hold a lot of water so maybe something to help that.

Do you have blood work before vs after using ment showing how much it raised your estrogen?

 

[jumdumpster]

Do you have blood work before vs after using ment showing how much it raised your estrogen?

i dont
but it didnt feel too bad at all

 

[Case-Akilleez]

I plan on using 700-100 mg tren and possibly running high test with it. I’ve never done a high test cycle because I find estrogen management painfully complicated ive been reading about testosterone estrogen ratios. I have problems with low and high estrogen on cycle but on trt I’m fine letting it run high ish right now with better results. What’s the highest you’ve run your estrogen and what was your testosterone at the time bro?

Hey man. I’m not sure what my e2 levels were at the time, but around 750 is as high as I’ve been in test. That along with 700 npp, I was taking 12.5 mg aromasin every other day. Sorry, I know that doesn’t help much. Dialing in estro is the hardest part about blasting sterons, no doubt about it.

 

[Batmanhimself]

According to many people deca will make you look 5 percent fatter because of the water do you think that’s true. Also is the same true for ment even when the methyl estrogen is eliminated?