Is tren worth it in the offseason for a hypertrophy cycle?

[Trenbolonesandwiches]

My current bulk cycle consists of, testosterone 700mg, boldenone 600mg, tren ace 250mg, and I just added in 250mg NPP. I’ve heard a lot of people say no tren in the offseason. But I’ve managed to keep sides to a minimum, 9-8 hours of sleep a night, clean diet with carb cycling. Very stable mood, estrogen is good and within the reference range. Any advice would be appreciated. I am on week 14 of this cycle and slowly titrated up my doses when the addition of more food wasn’t enough and progress stalled. I added in the npp on week 13 of the cycle and was thinking about taking the tren out completely but the cycle has been hitch free so far and I’d hate change it if all is going smoothly.

 

[mmaphdmba]

tren + NPP is a future mental issue waiting to happen according to many anecdotes.

Tren in a bulk is dumb, IMO.

 

[goodfella]

Save the tren for leaning out and cutting up. If you're already dead set on it, then keep it as low as possible.

I'd also say to bump your NPP up to at least 300mg, up to 600mg a week. Wouldn't hurt to bump your EQ to 800 mg's weekly either.

 

[Trenbolonesandwiches]

Save the tren for leaning out and cutting up. If you're already dead set on it, then keep it as low as possible.

I'd also say to bump your NPP up to at least 300mg, up to 600mg a week. Wouldn't hurt to bump your EQ to 800 mg's weekly either.

Thank you, this is very solid.

 

[CountryGains]

Take DHB instead of tren

 

[Sector]

Low dose tren actually isn't bad in the offseason (like 200mg/week), but i wouldn't stack it with NPP

Tren shuttles IGF-1 into the muscles, lowering systematic IGF--This is very synergistic when taking HGH. This is why if you've ever seen bloodwork of someone on tren, their IGF-1 scores are usually lower (due to it's effects on decreasing systemic IGF-1 and increasing localized IGF-1)

It will also help keep you leaner and tighter in the offseason, but it shouldn't be the primary growth driver of the cycle (testosterone is king for building mass)

the caveat here is that the dosage needs to be low enough that you're not messing with your sleep or quality of life. The moment your sleep starts going out the window, your recovery goes to crap and you're better off lowering the dose.

 

[Lord]

Low dose tren actually isn't bad in the offseason (like 200mg/week), but i wouldn't stack it with NPP

Tren shuttles IGF-1 into the muscles, lowering systematic IGF--This is very synergistic when taking HGH. This is why if you've ever seen bloodwork of someone on tren, their IGF-1 scores are usually lower (due to it's effects on decreasing systemic IGF-1 and increasing localized IGF-1)

It will also help keep you leaner and tighter in the offseason, but it shouldn't be the primary growth driver of the cycle (testosterone is king for building mass)

the caveat here is that the dosage needs to be low enough that you're not messing with your sleep or quality of life. The moment your sleep starts going out the window, your recovery goes to crap and you're better off lowering the dose.

What would be an ideal off season cycle in your opinion ?

 

[Sector]

What would be an ideal off season cycle in your opinion ?

Kind of depends on the person to be honest

Test/EQ/x
Test/NPP/x
Test/primo/x

Are all solid, just keep the test and food intake high and you should be able to grow like a weed on any of those.

Some people get depressed on NPP. Some people get anxiety sides from eq. I’d say pick whatever compound doesn’t give you mental sides and run with that

I like test and EQ personally.

Currently doing
750 test/week
1200 eq/week
600 mast/week
100mg anadrol ed
7.2iu gh/day
75mcg t4 ed

Nice solid lean growth without the bloat, combined with massive strength gains. I’ll up the test later when progress starts to plateau

 

[Lord]

Kind of depends on the person to be honest

Test/EQ/x
Test/NPP/x
Test/primo/x

Are all solid, just keep the test and food intake high and you should be able to grow like a weed on any of those.

Some people get depressed on NPP. Some people get anxiety sides from eq. I’d say pick whatever compound doesn’t give you mental sides and run with that

I like test and EQ personally.

Currently doing
750 test/week
1200 eq/week
600 mast/week
100mg anadrol ed
7.2iu gh/day
75mcg t4 ed

Nice solid lean growth without the bloat, combined with massive strength gains. I’ll up the test later when progress starts to plateau

Yes I don’t like how I feel
Mentally on either eq or npp .

I do like tren and ment .

But I may have an interest in test n primo with sarms with anadrol and Anavar in the future

 

[BBBG]

Yes I don’t like how I feel
Mentally on either eq or npp .

I do like tren and ment .

But I may have an interest in test n primo with sarms with anadrol and Anavar in the future

What do SARMs do for you that a steroid doesn’t?

 

[Lord]

What do SARMs do for you that a steroid doesn’t?

It doesn’t impact ur organs the same way steroids do for sure . I was once on probation and when sarms first came out big I used the sarms Lgd and rad and yk11 for
A year straight without test or any steroids. I don’t feel they are complete to run alone without testosterone as they’re not androgenic enough . But they don’t affect ur health the same way steroids do and they’re still good muscle builders. I believe in using a hybrid of both testosterone , some steroids like maybe a low dose of tren e or ment or dhb . Anavar or anadrol with sarms . As u can use sarms like I have for a year straight without issues .

 

[Batmanhimself]

Kind of depends on the person to be honest

Test/EQ/x
Test/NPP/x
Test/primo/x

Are all solid, just keep the test and food intake high and you should be able to grow like a weed on any of those.

Some people get depressed on NPP. Some people get anxiety sides from eq. I’d say pick whatever compound doesn’t give you mental sides and run with that

I like test and EQ personally.

Currently doing
750 test/week
1200 eq/week
600 mast/week
100mg anadrol ed
7.2iu gh/day
75mcg t4 ed

Nice solid lean growth without the bloat, combined with massive strength gains. I’ll up the test later when progress starts to plateau

How long do you use the anadrol for?

 

[Sector]

How long do you use the anadrol for?

4 weeks usually

 

[AnonymityismyRemedy]

Currently doing
750 test/week
1200 eq/week

JFC I think my e2 would be negative. Im currently having to down my ratio to like 900:500 to see if I can begin to even feel my estrogen again

 

[calist181]

JFC I think my e2 would be negative. Im currently having to down my ratio to like 900:500 to see if I can begin to even feel my estrogen agaim

Since Equipoise is a long ester, how long after the change in dose will it take for the E2 to bounce back?

 

[AnonymityismyRemedy]

Since Equipoise is a long ester, how long after the change in dose will it take for the E2 to bounce back?

Well if I want to expedite it I can just pin a couple grams of test...but yes it will take a bit if I didn't change my test dose

 

[Batmanhimself]

Since Equipoise is a long ester, how long after the change in dose will it take for the E2 to bounce back?

Very hard to genuinely crush your e2 I’ve done 1800 mg and 1000 test and my e2 was perfect

 

[Dorianyates1993]

Tren is the most powerful anabolic we have in our arsenal. It is always useful. recreational users just don’t like bulking on it because it’s harsh. Some people get indigestion, poor sleep, breathing issues, mood instability, nightmares etc

Trust me, pro bodybuilders are using this compound year round. Not all, but more than you would think.

 

[Batmanhimself]

Synergy force says he’s seen all long term tren users get psychosis which is scary to think about because I love tren. does anyone have any updates on any of the guys on the gh15 forum using those high doses of tren wonder how they’re doing now and if they’re still running those doses.

 

[dick_starbuck]

Synergy force says he’s seen all long term tren users get psychosis which is scary to think about because I love tren. does anyone have any updates on any of the guys on the gh15 forum using those high doses of tren wonder how they’re doing now and if they’re still running those doses.

I think they all died of kidney failure lol

Just kidding obv...