Janoshik Brigade

[TrenHard]

EnergyControl was a useful source in our community who tested plenty of my blind samples accurately. While I am bothered with the fraud, Janoshik failed to answer how he tested an unopened and returned packed to one of his customers and was allowed to threaten EC’s life while calling him all sorts of names. I’m not here necessarily to defend EC, but there’s no denying he tested stuff accurately, and I feel Jano owes the community an explanation as I don’t feel comfortable sending him product until then. A single instance of not providing real raw data is bad, but their explanation seemed legitimate enough among the other blind results.

 

[Deadlift]

You can still have things tested by them, nothing’s stopping you from emailing them if they reply. I agree I’ve had blind samples tested with what seemed to be relative accuracy, but their practices have defintiely come across less than ideal lately it seems and SST has standards to maintain.

 

[Janoshik]

Please, if you lie at least make it believable. Where did I threaten EC’s life? Show a proof if you have claims such as that.

Feel free to not be comfortable with sending product to me, I never forced anybody to use my services. You are still more than free to use EC services - are you not?

 

[TrenHard]

Janoshik" pid='12980' dateline='1526156133:

Please, if you lie at least make it believable. Where did I threaten EC’s life? Show a proof if you have claims such as that.

Feel free to not be comfortable with sending product to me, I never forced anybody to use my services. You are still more than free to use EC services - are you not?

All I remember is you saying you’ll fuck him up or something. Also I don’t distrust you, I just wanted an explanation which I think is fair.

 

[Janoshik]

TrenHard" pid='12981' dateline='1526156361:

Janoshik" pid='12980' dateline='1526156133:

Please, if you lie at least make it believable. Where did I threaten EC’s life? Show a proof if you have claims such as that.

Feel free to not be comfortable with sending product to me, I never forced anybody to use my services. You are still more than free to use EC services - are you not?

All I remember is you saying you’ll fuck him up or something. Also I don’t distrust you, I just wanted an explanation which I think is fair.

Where did you see that, please?

 

[TrenHard]

Janoshik" pid='12982' dateline='1526156436:

TrenHard" pid='12981' dateline='1526156361:

Janoshik" pid='12980' dateline='1526156133:

Please, if you lie at least make it believable. Where did I threaten EC’s life? Show a proof if you have claims such as that.

Feel free to not be comfortable with sending product to me, I never forced anybody to use my services. You are still more than free to use EC services - are you not?

All I remember is you saying you’ll fuck him up or something. Also I don’t distrust you, I just wanted an explanation which I think is fair.

Where did you see that, please?

It was mentioned in one of the threads about EC, in the discord originally iirc.
Was there an explanation for what I was asking about at all btw?

 

[Janoshik]

TrenHard" pid='12984' dateline='1526156586:

Janoshik" pid='12982' dateline='1526156436:

TrenHard" pid='12981' dateline='1526156361:

Janoshik" pid='12980' dateline='1526156133:

Please, if you lie at least make it believable. Where did I threaten EC’s life? Show a proof if you have claims such as that.

Feel free to not be comfortable with sending product to me, I never forced anybody to use my services. You are still more than free to use EC services - are you not?

All I remember is you saying you’ll fuck him up or something. Also I don’t distrust you, I just wanted an explanation which I think is fair.

Where did you see that, please?

It was mentioned in one of the threads about EC.
Was there an explanation for what I was asking about at all btw?

So you chose to interpret it as a threat to EC’s life straight away, with the information coming from EC and without any questioning from your side?

I apologize, but along with sugarcoating what they were doing last few days that makes me wonder about your motives.

 

[TrenHard]

Janoshik" pid='12985' dateline='1526156717:

TrenHard" pid='12984' dateline='1526156586:

Janoshik" pid='12982' dateline='1526156436:

TrenHard" pid='12981' dateline='1526156361:

Janoshik" pid='12980' dateline='1526156133:

Please, if you lie at least make it believable. Where did I threaten EC’s life? Show a proof if you have claims such as that.

Feel free to not be comfortable with sending product to me, I never forced anybody to use my services. You are still more than free to use EC services - are you not?

All I remember is you saying you’ll fuck him up or something. Also I don’t distrust you, I just wanted an explanation which I think is fair.

Where did you see that, please?

It was mentioned in one of the threads about EC.
Was there an explanation for what I was asking about at all btw?

I can’t seem to find where I posted that in a thread here.

You didn’t, it was something you said in discord and then it was referenced in one of the EC threads.

Did you have an explanation for what I asked at all btw? Not sure if you saw that I had asked.

 

[DrTonyHuge]

It does kinda feel like Jano is trying to avoid the question

 

[Janoshik]

DrTonyHuge" pid='12987' dateline='1526156856:

It does kinda feel like Jano is trying to avoid the question

No Sir, I am completely ignoring the question - there’s a difference.

I don’t see a point in answering a question, to an issue which is 2 years old, singular and has been discussed about ad nauseam.

The only reason why that was brought up was because EC was trying to divert attention from their little scam going on towards me. They failed miserably and it will stay that way.

Also, if the only straw they could catch on was an issue that was 2 year old, does it not say something about my business?

How many businesses faced a single issue over the YEARS of functioning?

 

[TrenHard]

Janoshik" pid='12985' dateline='1526156717:

TrenHard" pid='12984' dateline='1526156586:

Janoshik" pid='12982' dateline='1526156436:

TrenHard" pid='12981' dateline='1526156361:

Janoshik" pid='12980' dateline='1526156133:

Please, if you lie at least make it believable. Where did I threaten EC’s life? Show a proof if you have claims such as that.

Feel free to not be comfortable with sending product to me, I never forced anybody to use my services. You are still more than free to use EC services - are you not?

All I remember is you saying you’ll fuck him up or something. Also I don’t distrust you, I just wanted an explanation which I think is fair.

Where did you see that, please?

It was mentioned in one of the threads about EC.
Was there an explanation for what I was asking about at all btw?

So you chose to interpret it as a threat to EC’s life straight away, with the information coming from EC and without any questioning from your side?

I apologize, but along with sugarcoating what they were doing last few days that makes me wonder about your motives.

You called him a lot of names and said plenty to make it believable, also I’m a member of the discord and personally saw it…
Are you denying that you said you’d fuck him up?

I’m not sugarcoating anything, accusing me looks really shitty on your part dude. I just want an explanation because with all these sources and testers going to shit I don’t know who to trust and you refuse to answer it.

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Janoshik" pid='12988' dateline='1526156991:

DrTonyHuge" pid='12987' dateline='1526156856:

It does kinda feel like Jano is trying to avoid the question

No Sir, I am completely ignoring the question - there’s a difference.

I don’t see a point in answering a question, to an issue which is 2 years old, singular and has been discussed about ad nauseam.

A point in answering how someone got results from you but their package came back unopened and returned? Surely it takes no time to answer someone who just wants some peace of mind instead of adamantly refusing to answer and accusing me for questioning you? One issue is enough for EC but not you?

 

[Janoshik]

Janoshik" pid='12985' dateline='1526156717:

TrenHard" pid='12984' dateline='1526156586:

It was mentioned in one of the threads about EC.
Was there an explanation for what I was asking about at all btw?

So you chose to interpret it as a threat to EC’s life straight away, with the information coming from EC and without any questioning from your side?

I apologize, but along with sugarcoating what they were doing last few days that makes me wonder about your motives.

You called him a lot of names and said plenty to make it believable, also I’m a member of the discord and personally saw it…
Are you denying that you said you’d fuck him up?

I’m not sugarcoating anything, accusing me looks really shitty on your part dude. I just want an explanation because with all these sources and testers going to shit I don’t know who to trust and you refuse to answer it.

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So first it was mentioned in a thread, then it was referenced in EC threads and then you suddenly recall you personally saw it?

Just asking.

And that looks like sugercoating a lot.

Feel free to not trust me, Sir.
TrenHard" pid='12989' dateline='1526157013:

Janoshik" pid='12988' dateline='1526156991:

DrTonyHuge" pid='12987' dateline='1526156856:

It does kinda feel like Jano is trying to avoid the question

No Sir, I am completely ignoring the question - there’s a difference.

I don’t see a point in answering a question, to an issue which is 2 years old, singular and has been discussed about ad nauseam.

A point in answering how someone got results from you but their package came back unopened and returned?

Exactly.

 

[TrenHard]

Dude, read what I’m saying. You saying it in the Discord was mentioned in the EC thread. You’re backtracking so hard and it really comes across shady.

So you won’t address the issue? At all? For shame man. Disappointing.

 

[Janoshik]

TrenHard" pid='12989' dateline='1526157013:

Surely it takes no time to answer someone who just wants some peace of mind instead of adamantly refusing to answer and accusing me for questioning you? One issue is enough for EC but not you?

Another more confrontational edit?

Like I said Sir, feel free to not trust me.

Have I tried to deceive administrators, long known members and my customers here?

Have I been around longer than two months?

Have I provided fake data copied off a study to anybody?

Have I lied about being affiliated with a well known laboratory?

Do you honestly want to compare me to EC? If so, I can’t help, but ignore you, Sir.

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TrenHard" pid='12992' dateline='1526157567:

Dude, read what I’m saying. You saying it in the Discord was mentioned in the EC thread. You’re backtracking so hard and it really comes across shady.

So you won’t address the issue? At all? For shame man. Disappointing.

Happy to disappoint.

 

[TrenHard]

Janoshik" pid='12993' dateline='1526157591:

TrenHard" pid='12989' dateline='1526157013:

Surely it takes no time to answer someone who just wants some peace of mind instead of adamantly refusing to answer and accusing me for questioning you? One issue is enough for EC but not you?

Another more confrontational edit?

Like I said Sir, feel free to not trust me.

Have I tried to deceive administrators, long known members and my customers here?

Have I been around longer than two months?

Have I provided fake data copied off a study to anybody?

Have I lied about being affiliated with a well known laboratory?

Do you honestly want to compare me to EC? If so, I can’t help, but ignore you, Sir.

Just in this thread you’ve tried to downplay your aggression to EC, refused to answer a potential cusomer’s legitimate concerns, tried to accuse me of being a shill for wanting peace of mind when I’ve thrown a fuck ton of $ to a different tester, and that’s good business practice for you?

I literally just wanted to know what was up and you come at me like I’m your worst enemy. Wtf honestly man

 

[DrTonyHuge]

Gotta agree Jano comes across really shitty in this thread. You cant just answer?

 

[Janoshik]

TrenHard" pid='12994' dateline='1526157692:

Just in this thread you’ve tried to downplay your aggression to EC, refused to answer a potential cusomer’s legitimate concerns, tried to accuse me of being a shill for wanting peace of mind when I’ve thrown a fuck ton of $ to a different tester, and that’s good business practice for you?

I literally just wanted to know what was up and you come at me like I’m your worst enemy. Wtf honestly man

Sir, like I said, feel free to not use my service.

I’ve expressed plenty of aggression towards EC - they lied to me and tried to use those lies to get a vouch for me.
Who wouldn’t be angry by them? Thanks to that anger I got the drive to gather enough evidence to get them exposed.

Did I live by my words? Yes, I fucked them up and helped with getting those frauds out of here.

How exactly did you interpret that as a threat on lives? Something tells me you were quite keen onto interpreting that in the worst possible manner.

Where have I accused of being a shill? Interpreting things in the worst possible manner again and then you wonder why I am questioning your motives?

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DrTonyHuge" pid='12995' dateline='1526157799:

Gotta agree Jano comes across really shitty in this thread. You cant just answer?

Please then ask a clear question to which a short answer can be given.

 

[TrenHard]

I feel like you’re intentionally trying to distract by going on and on about the EC comment. All I know was you said you’d fuck them up and called them a bunch of names. Is that clear enough? I don’t even care about that a whole bunch, I just thought it came across as immature and not really behavior I’m fond of from someone I’d be sending hundreds to. I want to trust and use you dude, that’s literally the whole point of wanting this cleared up and you’ve just come at me so shadily. And did you call me a shill? Yes, basically — you said my motives are questionable for calling you out and “sugarcoating” EC’s practices. It’s not hard to make inferences and you trying to spin it as me interpreting it badly is BS again man.

I’ll ask a simple question so we can please try to work through this without more bullshit and antics:

What is your explanation for the dude who claims his package was returned to him unopened but that you tested his stuff? I don’t want this to be hard man, after so many bad sources and then EC I just want some peace of mind.

 

[Janoshik]

TrenHard" pid='12998' dateline='1526158226:

I feel like you’re intentionally trying to distract by going on and on about the EC comment. All I know was you said you’d fuck them up and called them a bunch of names. Is that clear enough? I don’t even care about that a whole bunch, I just thought it came across as immature and not really behavior I’m fond of from someone I’d be sending hundreds to. I want to trust and use you dude, that’s literally the whole point of wanting this cleared up and you’ve just come at me so shadily. And did you call me a shill? Yes, basically — you said my motives are questionable for calling you out and “sugarcoating” EC’s practices. It’s not hard to make inferences and you trying to spin it as me interpreting it badly is BS again man.

I’ll ask a simple question so we can please try to work through this without more bullshit and antics:

What is your explanation for the dude who claims his package was returned to him unopened but that you tested his stuff? I don’t want this to be hard man, after so many bad sources and then EC I just want some peace of mind.

I don’t know but accusing somebody of threats on life is serious enough to be addressed - do you not think so?

There is no explanation for that and a big mistake of mine. Feel free to not use my services based on that.

 

[TrenHard]

Janoshik" pid='12999' dateline='1526158505:

TrenHard" pid='12998' dateline='1526158226:

I feel like you’re intentionally trying to distract by going on and on about the EC comment. All I know was you said you’d fuck them up and called them a bunch of names. Is that clear enough? I don’t even care about that a whole bunch, I just thought it came across as immature and not really behavior I’m fond of from someone I’d be sending hundreds to. I want to trust and use you dude, that’s literally the whole point of wanting this cleared up and you’ve just come at me so shadily. And did you call me a shill? Yes, basically — you said my motives are questionable for calling you out and “sugarcoating” EC’s practices. It’s not hard to make inferences and you trying to spin it as me interpreting it badly is BS again man.

I’ll ask a simple question so we can please try to work through this without more bullshit and antics:

What is your explanation for the dude who claims his package was returned to him unopened but that you tested his stuff? I don’t want this to be hard man, after so many bad sources and then EC I just want some peace of mind.

I don’t know but accusing somebody of threats on life is serious enough to be addressed - do you not think so?

There is no explanation for that and a big mistake of mine. Feel free to not use my services based on that.

I appreciate the explanation, honesty alone goes a long way for me man. Thank you.