Low dose NPP ONLY CYCLE. (Trying to avoid hairloss)

[Warriorman7]

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Hey fellas, I’ve been wanting to start back up again, but there’s a few things I’d like to avoid if doing so. I know test and basically any DHT based steroids will be pretty harsh for the hair. Deca only cycles have become very popular for this. I’ve read of guys utilizing tbol , dbol , equipose and even lower doses of anavar(which is a dht) without issues, though. However, nandrolone definitely seems like this isn’t a problem and it also seems as acne is low risk with this style too. The weaker conversion of dhn is very mild.

My first plan was to use DHB (dihydroboldenone). I was informed this would be a bad idea due to its androgenic nature.

I’m not genetically prone to hairloss, however it can happen no matter what and I’m aware of that. I do, on the other hand, experience temporary hormonal shedding, yet this could be paranoia.

My plan was to do 200-300 mg of NPP a week.

50mg pinned EOD w/ a slin pin

I’d have caber/aromasin/nolvadex on hand. Just on hand, though as my dose is low.

Trying to utilize hormones moderately while keeping the bulk the everything focused on diet, training and cardio.

Would appreciate some opinions and advices. Anyone here ran no test cycles? What was your favorite?

My heart was set on Equipoise but seems questionable regarding how androgenic it is within the scalp. Also, no thanks to the other strange side effects EQ seems to display

Thanks everyone and God bless

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The only part which sucks is that I’d like to run a dryer compound. I know nandrolone comes with some water. I hope being a low BF will help the water go to the right paces

 

[don_c]

Brother from reading ur post it sounds like u really over think things. I would ask urself is it worth the added anxiety to run gear if you’re that worried about losing hair. Like you said, even if you don’t lose hair you’re probably gonna be paranoid the whole time. But honestly if you’re not genetically inclined to losing hair then I doubt you’ll even have any issues. I’ve been blasting the fuck out of steroids for 3 years and haven’t experienced any hair loss. Everyone is different though.

 

[superawesomename]

Oof if your main reason for running no test base cycles is hair loss you’re in the wrong game dude. Either nut up to the consequences of the game you play or don’t start. Imo it’s just hair, and the benefits of gear will always outweigh that for me. Just my. 2 cents.

 

[arkhoss]

never do this alone always add testosterone. one because it is a waste to do it alone and you will quit producing test and bottom out then get lethargic and quit working out and your dick goes limp. If you are male that is.

 

[MikeAlstott]

I’ve read of people doing Nandrolone only cycles with success, but they seem to know what they’re doing. If you’re worried about hair loss and you aren’t prone to MPB, maybe start out with using A Ketocanozole based shampoo while on to mitigate the potential hair loss and to put your mind at ease. I used Nizoral in the past but just got some Pura D’or ketocanozole shampoo and conditioner and love it. If that does not suffice for you than you can try other things that have been recommend on this board for hair. I don’t have any experience with them though.

 

[superawesomename]

arkhoss" pid='67039' dateline='1567314865:

never do this alone always add testosterone. one because it is a waste to do it alone and you will quit producing test and bottom out then get lethargic and quit working out and your dick goes limp. If you are male that is.

I mean people have logs all over the net of running deca only trt without shutdown, and if I were on my pc at home I’d link a few deca studies+trt, so imo that’s not the issue. Imo the issue is OP seems to be doing this for the wrong reason, if hair loss is the main reason he’s avoiding certain compounds when he himself said he isn’t predisposed to mpb and only sheds with anxiety on cycle.

There’s inherent risk in everything and to me being afraid of hairloss while on the bike so to speak is like a pack a day smoker being worried about their ocygen uptake or vo2 max (obviously not a 1:1) in that it’s kind of just what the shit can do. Idk, I put it in the same boat as if you fuck your natural levels over and have to be trt for life, it’s just the risk

 

[Warriorman7]

don_c" pid='67034' dateline='1567311326:

Brother from reading ur post it sounds like u really over think things. I would ask urself is it worth the added anxiety to run gear if you’re that worried about losing hair. Like you said, even if you don’t lose hair you’re probably gonna be paranoid the whole time. But honestly if you’re not genetically inclined to losing hair then I doubt you’ll even have any issues. I’ve been blasting the fuck out of steroids for 3 years and haven’t experienced any hair loss. Everyone is different though.

This is true. I’m definitely over thinking things. My paranoia can sometimes get the best of me.AAS is still a serious thing , but have to just make the decision and roll with it

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superawesomename" pid='67044' dateline='1567323450:

arkhoss" pid='67039' dateline='1567314865:

never do this alone always add testosterone. one because it is a waste to do it alone and you will quit producing test and bottom out then get lethargic and quit working out and your dick goes limp. If you are male that is.

I mean people have logs all over the net of running deca only trt without shutdown, and if I were on my pc at home I’d link a few deca studies+trt, so imo that’s not the issue. Imo the issue is OP seems to be doing this for the wrong reason, if hair loss is the main reason he’s avoiding certain compounds when he himself said he isn’t predisposed to mpb and only sheds with anxiety on cycle.

There’s inherent risk in everything and to me being afraid of hairloss while on the bike so to speak is like a pack a day smoker being worried about their ocygen uptake or vo2 max (obviously not a 1:1) in that it’s kind of just what the shit can do. Idk, I put it in the same boat as if you fuck your natural levels over and have to be trt for life, it’s just the risk

Yes , agreed and obviously health sides should be anyone’s main concern including total HPTA shutdown. However , it’s one side I’d like to avoid as all AAS comes with those inherent health risk.

My goals require AAS. I just have to make the jump and take it like a man . Deal with the negatives the best you can and accept consequences.

I’d appreciate seeing those studies and I’ve seen many deca only logs. Some have had great success. This is what made me think about this in the first place

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MikeAlstott" pid='67043' dateline='1567322758:

I’ve read of people doing Nandrolone only cycles with success, but they seem to know what they’re doing. If you’re worried about hair loss and you aren’t prone to MPB, maybe start out with using A Ketocanozole based shampoo while on to mitigate the potential hair loss and to put your mind at ease. I used Nizoral in the past but just got some Pura D’or ketocanozole shampoo and conditioner and love it. If that does not suffice for you than you can try other things that have been recommend on this board for hair. I don’t have any experience with them though.

Yeah , I see what you mean. Pura dor is great. Haven’t used nizoral but I’ll keep on hand if I decide. There’s also great essential oils

 

[kagebounshin]

If you’re worried about hairloss just run test at 500/750 whatever you want, use a keto based shampoo take some dutesteride and buy some RU and minoxidil and blast away. I’d rather try and mitigate dht reaching the scalp and take a real cycle then do a weird nandrolone cycle with no base. I do like nandrolones but if you mix them with Fina or dut they are even worse for your hair so I just run everything else and take precautions.

 

[uwotm8]

IWillEatTunaED" pid='67024' dateline='1567308566:

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Hey fellas, I’ve been wanting to start back up again, but there’s a few things I’d like to avoid if doing so. I know test and basically any DHT based steroids will be pretty harsh for the hair. Deca only cycles have become very popular for this. I’ve read of guys utilizing tbol , dbol , equipose and even lower doses of anavar(which is a dht) without issues, though. However, nandrolone definitely seems like this isn’t a problem and it also seems as acne is low risk with this style too. The weaker conversion of dhn is very mild.

My first plan was to use DHB (dihydroboldenone). I was informed this would be a bad idea due to its androgenic nature.

I’m not genetically prone to hairloss, however it can happen no matter what and I’m aware of that. I do, on the other hand, experience temporary hormonal shedding, yet this could be paranoia.

My plan was to do 200-300 mg of NPP a week.

50mg pinned EOD w/ a slin pin

I’d have caber/aromasin/nolvadex on hand. Just on hand, though as my dose is low.

Trying to utilize hormones moderately while keeping the bulk the everything focused on diet, training and cardio.

Would appreciate some opinions and advices. Anyone here ran no test cycles? What was your favorite?

My heart was set on Equipoise but seems questionable regarding how androgenic it is within the scalp. Also, no thanks to the other strange side effects EQ seems to display

Thanks everyone and God bless

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The only part which sucks is that I’d like to run a dryer compound. I know nandrolone comes with some water. I hope being a low BF will help the water go to the right paces

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I do think deca only cycles can work well, but here’s my issues with your plan:

1. Is that dose even high enough to give your body enough estrogen to feel good?
2. DHN is going to motherfuck your life, son. The only way to do a proper deca only cycle is at higher dosages and with a 5ar inhibitor which kind of defeats the purpose of why you’re running it. You could also run a dht derivative, but that also doesn’t help you with what you’re trying to do.

If you love to not function sexually as well as feeling depressed then please continue onward with your plan.

 

[nlite2k]

Why on earth would you do this if you’re not genetically predisposed to male pattern baldness?

A) You aren’t going to full Picard from one test cycle if you are, in fact, predisposed to it

B) Wouldn’t you want to know how your body reacts to testosterone (a well understood, highly used, super effective, feel good comppound) before you write it off?

I’m not predisposed to it, I’m in my 40s, I bukakke myself with androgens without fear of hair consequences. It’s pretty money, you should find out if you’re the same.

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Like, if you have all your hair, run test and find that you’re prone to hair loss, isn’t that a good thing? You’d be able to nip it in the bud with the myriad prophylactic measures available.

 

[strongr007]

IWillEatTunaED" pid='67024' dateline='1567308566:

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I’m not genetically prone to hairloss, however it can happen no matter what and I’m aware of that.

Trying to utilize hormones moderately while keeping the bulk the everything focused on diet, training and cardio.

Re: Haters
Statements like “man up or get out of the game” are misguided. We all start somewhere.

Re: Anxiety and AAS
Caution is smart. If you’re not prone to hairless, maybe you are overthinking it like don_c said. Everyone overthinks their first cycles.

RE: Moderation and basics first
Smart. Keep it that way.

RE: Figuring out what works
In addition to nolva/dex/etc I’d have test on hand so if your sex drive disappears (that’s what nandrolone does to me) you can adjust. Get a handle on the basics (and test is fundamental) like other guys are saying. You can work with Test Prop without too much concern because it is out of your system so fast. Its cheap and everybody carries it. PIP can be an issue, but you can mitigate that by mixing it with NPP in the same syringe.

 

[uwotm8]

arkhoss" pid='67039' dateline='1567314865:

never do this alone always add testosterone. one because it is a waste to do it alone and you will quit producing test and bottom out then get lethargic and quit working out and your dick goes limp. If you are male that is.

Not quite my friend. Nandrolone is actually quite potent as an androgen. When it’s reduced to dhn-well-you’re right on the money.

I’ll post this again- run a high enough dose to put estrogen in range (I think nand aromatizes at a rate of like 20% compared to test…roughly), and run a 5ar inhibitor to stop as much of the conversion to dhn in 5ar tissue as possible.

 

[Warriorman7]

strongr007" pid='67361' dateline='1567607377:

IWillEatTunaED" pid='67024' dateline='1567308566:

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I’m not genetically prone to hairloss, however it can happen no matter what and I’m aware of that.

Trying to utilize hormones moderately while keeping the bulk the everything focused on diet, training and cardio.

Re: Haters
Statements like “man up or get out of the game” are misguided. We all start somewhere.

Re: Anxiety and AAS
Caution is smart. If you’re not prone to hairless, maybe you are overthinking it like don_c said. Everyone overthinks their first cycles.

RE: Moderation and basics first
Smart. Keep it that way.

RE: Figuring out what works
In addition to nolva/dex/etc I’d have test on hand so if your sex drive disappears (that’s what nandrolone does to me) you can adjust. Get a handle on the basics (and test is fundamental) like other guys are saying. You can work with Test Prop without too much concern because it is out of your system so fast. Its cheap and everybody carries it. PIP can be an issue, but you can mitigate that by mixing it with NPP in the same syringe.

Yes, great idea. That was my plan to have test on hand just Incase w/ aromasin, nolva, caber, etc. thanks for not hating. I am not genetically prone that I know of in terms of family, but I’m 24 with no recession, full head and the length is down to my back and past my chest. You never know playing with hormones , though.

I’m not sure if there is a better option due to the side effects of nandrolone though. I’m not too concerned with libido currently , tbh. I’ve heard moderate doses of primo, eq, anavar, and tbol May be safe too. On the other hand, some people complain with these. Dhb not sure of and haven’t heard a lot on it. Would prefer to stick to mainly injectable, though.

Your idea is pretty good. God bless

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uwotm8" pid='67350' dateline='1567597721:

IWillEatTunaED" pid='67024' dateline='1567308566:

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Hey fellas, I’ve been wanting to start back up again, but there’s a few things I’d like to avoid if doing so. I know test and basically any DHT based steroids will be pretty harsh for the hair. Deca only cycles have become very popular for this. I’ve read of guys utilizing tbol , dbol , equipose and even lower doses of anavar(which is a dht) without issues, though. However, nandrolone definitely seems like this isn’t a problem and it also seems as acne is low risk with this style too. The weaker conversion of dhn is very mild.

My first plan was to use DHB (dihydroboldenone). I was informed this would be a bad idea due to its androgenic nature.

I’m not genetically prone to hairloss, however it can happen no matter what and I’m aware of that. I do, on the other hand, experience temporary hormonal shedding, yet this could be paranoia.

My plan was to do 200-300 mg of NPP a week.

50mg pinned EOD w/ a slin pin

I’d have caber/aromasin/nolvadex on hand. Just on hand, though as my dose is low.

Trying to utilize hormones moderately while keeping the bulk the everything focused on diet, training and cardio.

Would appreciate some opinions and advices. Anyone here ran no test cycles? What was your favorite?

My heart was set on Equipoise but seems questionable regarding how androgenic it is within the scalp. Also, no thanks to the other strange side effects EQ seems to display

Thanks everyone and God bless

---

The only part which sucks is that I’d like to run a dryer compound. I know nandrolone comes with some water. I hope being a low BF will help the water go to the right paces

---

I do think deca only cycles can work well, but here’s my issues with your plan:

1. Is that dose even high enough to give your body enough estrogen to feel good?
2. DHN is going to motherfuck your life, son. The only way to do a proper deca only cycle is at higher dosages and with a 5ar inhibitor which kind of defeats the purpose of why you’re running it. You could also run a dht derivative, but that also doesn’t help you with what you’re trying to do.

If you love to not function sexually as well as feeling depressed then please continue onward with your plan.

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Yeah , the depression and fatigue worries me about doing nandrolone only. Don’t think I’ll carry through with this as you guys seems to have great experience with nandrolone.

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I will say, though, I am SUPER interested in DHB and what the results are like. Seems like a compound with moderately low sides, but high in terms of gains

 

[strongr007]

IWillEatTunaED" pid='67428' dateline='1567642472:

I will say, though, I am SUPER interested in DHB and what the results are like. Seems like a compound with moderately low sides, but high in terms of gains

Check out Primo (methenolone enanthate). High anabolic, low androgenic.

 

[Warriorman7]

strongr007" pid='67450' dateline='1567656636:

IWillEatTunaED" pid='67428' dateline='1567642472:

I will say, though, I am SUPER interested in DHB and what the results are like. Seems like a compound with moderately low sides, but high in terms of gains

Check out Primo (methenolone enanthate). High anabolic, low androgenic.

That was my intentional plan. Just want to make sure I can get an 100% legit source for it.

 

[Black.Beard]

IWillEatTunaED" pid='67024' dateline='1567308566:

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Hey fellas, I’ve been wanting to start back up again, but there’s a few things I’d like to avoid if doing so. I know test and basically any DHT based steroids will be pretty harsh for the hair. Deca only cycles have become very popular for this. I’ve read of guys utilizing tbol , dbol , equipose and even lower doses of anavar(which is a dht) without issues, though. However, nandrolone definitely seems like this isn’t a problem and it also seems as acne is low risk with this style too. The weaker conversion of dhn is very mild.

My first plan was to use DHB (dihydroboldenone). I was informed this would be a bad idea due to its androgenic nature.

I’m not genetically prone to hairloss, however it can happen no matter what and I’m aware of that. I do, on the other hand, experience temporary hormonal shedding, yet this could be paranoia.

My plan was to do 200-300 mg of NPP a week.

50mg pinned EOD w/ a slin pin

I’d have caber/aromasin/nolvadex on hand. Just on hand, though as my dose is low.

Trying to utilize hormones moderately while keeping the bulk the everything focused on diet, training and cardio.

Would appreciate some opinions and advices. Anyone here ran no test cycles? What was your favorite?

My heart was set on Equipoise but seems questionable regarding how androgenic it is within the scalp. Also, no thanks to the other strange side effects EQ seems to display

Thanks everyone and God bless

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The only part which sucks is that I’d like to run a dryer compound. I know nandrolone comes with some water. I hope being a low BF will help the water go to the right paces

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Add nizoral 2% to your regimine, 5 minutes, rinse off, 3 times a week or daily.

Even though it won’t convert to DHT, androgens like nandrolone and DHN can still bind to AR receptors in the scalp albeit much more weakly.

I have ran trenbolone only to experiment with great results. High libido, strong erections. When i add testosterone, i get the limp noodle, mood, insomnia. Tren at 150-300 mg per week solo was solid for me. I have seen similar anecdotes about NPP/nandrolone.

Nolvadex is good to have on hand. Tren/deca can cause gyno themselves, but you can reverse it with nolvadex or raloxifene. It must be ran 8-12 weeks though for it to fully reverse the gyno.

 

[nlite2k]

@“Black.Beard” Nolva/Ralox will reverse gyno from 19nors? I was under the impression (from various fora) that you needed caber or something. Good to know

 

[Warriorman7]

Black.Beard" pid='67526' dateline='1567721365:

IWillEatTunaED" pid='67024' dateline='1567308566:

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Hey fellas, I’ve been wanting to start back up again, but there’s a few things I’d like to avoid if doing so. I know test and basically any DHT based steroids will be pretty harsh for the hair. Deca only cycles have become very popular for this. I’ve read of guys utilizing tbol , dbol , equipose and even lower doses of anavar(which is a dht) without issues, though. However, nandrolone definitely seems like this isn’t a problem and it also seems as acne is low risk with this style too. The weaker conversion of dhn is very mild.

My first plan was to use DHB (dihydroboldenone). I was informed this would be a bad idea due to its androgenic nature.

I’m not genetically prone to hairloss, however it can happen no matter what and I’m aware of that. I do, on the other hand, experience temporary hormonal shedding, yet this could be paranoia.

My plan was to do 200-300 mg of NPP a week.

50mg pinned EOD w/ a slin pin

I’d have caber/aromasin/nolvadex on hand. Just on hand, though as my dose is low.

Trying to utilize hormones moderately while keeping the bulk the everything focused on diet, training and cardio.

Would appreciate some opinions and advices. Anyone here ran no test cycles? What was your favorite?

My heart was set on Equipoise but seems questionable regarding how androgenic it is within the scalp. Also, no thanks to the other strange side effects EQ seems to display

Thanks everyone and God bless

---

The only part which sucks is that I’d like to run a dryer compound. I know nandrolone comes with some water. I hope being a low BF will help the water go to the right paces

---

Add nizoral 2% to your regimine, 5 minutes, rinse off, 3 times a week or daily.

Even though it won’t convert to DHT, androgens like nandrolone and DHN can still bind to AR receptors in the scalp albeit much more weakly.

I have ran trenbolone only to experiment with great results. High libido, strong erections. When i add testosterone, i get the limp noodle, mood, insomnia. Tren at 150-300 mg per week solo was solid for me. I have seen similar anecdotes about NPP/nandrolone.

Nolvadex is good to have on hand. Tren/deca can cause gyno themselves, but you can reverse it with nolvadex or raloxifene. It must be ran 8-12 weeks though for it to fully reverse the gyno.

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I’ll buy nizoral. Thank you, my friend!

I’ve thought about doing a low dose of tren on its own too and I’ve heard that it has less sides with test, as well. I’m still a little worried to do so, but yet, I’d be safer getting tren than primo because there’s a higher chance of primo being fake. Npp would be cool but it seems like nandrolone really makes people depressed, lethargic, etc, whereas tren does the opposite l. And I’d keep it low

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nlite2k" pid='67533' dateline='1567724534:

@“Black.Beard” Nolva/Ralox will reverse gyno from 19nors? I was under the impression (from various fora) that you needed caber or something. Good to know

Pretty sure they bind to receptors similar to how anadrol aromatization works. Ai would not be effective as they work on preventing conversion rather than receptor site

 

[Trenstorm]

Whether stuff is going to mess with your hair is also going to change per individual ime. Primo dbol and sdrol make my hair jump off my head but winny, mast, and proviron don’t change it at all.

 

[nlite2k]

IWillEatTunaED" pid='67537' dateline='1567726375:

Pretty sure they bind to receptors similar to how anadrol aromatization works. Ai would not be effective as they work on preventing conversion rather than receptor site

Ah, gotcha. Makes sense, good to know.