Low dose tren cycle for body recomp

[Sms7829]

So here’s the deal. I was extremely fat and worked my ass off in the gym and with diet and lost 60 lbs and I am still working on losing another 20-30 by February. I’m setting right around 20% bf right now @ 6-3. I’m on TrT of 150mg week for clinically low t. I’d like to run a cycle of test and tren for a recomp this spring. Thinking of upping the test to 250pw and adding tren at 150pw to start and upping it slowly up to 250pw if no crazy sides present themselves. I know many would say don’t touch tren but I also know it can help achieve better than anything what I want to do when everything else is right and it is as I’m working with a coach and will continue to. I’m fully aware of the risks with tren and I’m ok with that. Will probably be starting gh later this month or in January also to help with skin and just overall recovery and run that’s for at least 6 months maybe longer so it would be in the cycle also. I would like some feedback on anyones experience running a similar cycle if anyones done it.

 

[bahamu7]

well no one here has the moral authority to tell you don't touch tren lol. But I will highly suggest that you use tren ace and inject everyday, that way if you start experiencing sides you can adjust the dosage or suspend it. You can do 20mg ED and see how you respond to it

 

[Sms7829]

well no one here has the moral authority to tell you don't touch tren lol. But I will highly suggest that you use tren ace and inject everyday, that way if you start experiencing sides you can adjust the dosage or suspend it. You can do 20mg ED and see how you respond to it

Do find the sides are the same with tren Ace as with enanthate? I know the reasoning behind the ace recommendation so if sides get stupid I can drop it and it’ll be out of the system in short time. However I’ve read and seen multiple people say that the sides with enanthate are much milder overall in general but not really sure how that could be possible since the only difference is just the attached ester.

 

[bahamu7]

Do find the sides are the same with tren Ace as with enanthate? I know the reasoning behind the ace recommendation so if sides get stupid I can drop it and it’ll be out of the system in short time. However I’ve read and seen multiple people say that the sides with enanthate are much milder overall in general but not really sure how that could be possible since the only difference is just the attached ester.

I find that to be BS, when the compound reaches full concentration in the system it doesn't matter. But you don't know how you respond to it, so while tren E is far more convenient pinning-wise, with tren ace you can make quick corrections. If you experience nasty sides with tren E you'll be stuck with them for a few weeks or maybe more

 

[Sierracon99]

Ok first off, good job losing the weight just to start things off positive. Now if all you have ever done is trt doses of test and lost 60lbs why do you think tren is the next best step up? I'll say that it seems like you have done some reading which is alot better than some of the knuckleheads that come on here, but there are way better alternatives that jumping straight to tren, low dose or not. Have you thought of maybe upping your test to 250mg/wk and adding an oral like anavar like 50mg/ed for 4-6wks? And if you are wanting to lose another 20lbs your still 'cutting' not doing a recomp. Tren maybe very powerful and I'm sure you've read it just nukes fat right? I'm sorry but I haven't heard many cases of guys needing to drop 20lbs hopping on that compound very often. Also you mentioned hgh too? Man you are rushing the process and trying to do too much too fast. We always talk about tapering up and down - on and off whatever, it's the same concept with cycles, gotta start easy my guy, the 'crazier' stuff can wait at least until you've gotten rid if all the fat and have a little more experience with 'safer' compounds. There's a reason why literally everyone will agree with me, because tren isn't the devil, it's just something that you shouldn't take lightly at all. That being said that's why something like anavar is so popular, it works very well for the goals you have and the sides are basically non existent. Good luck with whatever path you choose, were all adults here....hopefully. Just think long term that's all I say.

 

[Luxferro]

I feel that running Tren is not the answer.

What Tren does exceptionally well beyond any and all anabolic agents is preserve muscle mass in a caloric deficit through the antagonism of the glucocorticoid receptor. It will not magically recomp your body.

This being said, all AAS will help you to retain muscle when cutting. Tren is typically only used during a contest prep in the last few weeks because of how severe the deficit is and how insanely catabolic of an environment these guys’ bodies are in. They’re doing hours of cardio each day, lifting hard, and eating ~1500 calories.

I believe there are MUCH more effective tools for losing weight that would be safer for you. In terms of appetite suppression, you could use ECA, modafinil, moderate doses of 5HTP, melanotan 2 (kills appetite for some),

If your thyroid function is suboptimal (like mine is), you can use 25-50 mcg T3. Be sure to test TAH, T4, AND T3. In my case, TSH and T4 were normal, T3 was low. Waking body temp was low too so that’s another thing to keep track of.

The GH pathway is another path to lipolysis but this is incredibly expensive and tedious IMO. Plus, GH grows all your internal organs and can lead to heart failure and other problems in the long term.

You could also try changing diet. More fiber, more protein, fewer carbs.

Adding metformin can improve insulin sensitivity and reduce the absorption of dietary carbs by ~40%

Liraglutide and other GLP-1 agonists can be used as well though these too tend to be on the pricier side of things.

 

[Sms7829]

Ok first off, good job losing the weight just to start things off positive. Now if all you have ever done is trt doses of test and lost 60lbs why do you think tren is the next best step up? I'll say that it seems like you have done some reading which is alot better than some of the knuckleheads that come on here, but there are way better alternatives that jumping straight to tren, low dose or not. Have you thought of maybe upping your test to 250mg/wk and adding an oral like anavar like 50mg/ed for 4-6wks? And if you are wanting to lose another 20lbs your still 'cutting' not doing a recomp. Tren maybe very powerful and I'm sure you've read it just nukes fat right? I'm sorry but I haven't heard many cases of guys needing to drop 20lbs hopping on that compound very often. Also you mentioned hgh too? Man you are rushing the process and trying to do too much too fast. We always talk about tapering up and down - on and off whatever, it's the same concept with cycles, gotta start easy my guy, the 'crazier' stuff can wait at least until you've gotten rid if all the fat and have a little more experience with 'safer' compounds. There's a reason why literally everyone will agree with me, because tren isn't the devil, it's just something that you shouldn't take lightly at all. That being said that's why something like anavar is so popular, it works very well for the goals you have and the sides are basically non existent. Good luck with whatever path you choose, were all adults here....hopefully. Just think long term that's all I say.

Hey I appreciate the constructive feedback. I won’t call it criticism as I don’t fell like it is. I do realize that losing 20 more pounds means I’m still cutting the recomp I meant after I lose the rest of the weight this spring. I am actually planning to add 6 weeks of Var at 50mg a day starting next week. I love everything I’ve read about it and feel like it’ll definitely help me get closer towards my goal. I’m not dead set on tren for sure. I may run the var and find it does everything I want and just stick with it on and off with higher test. Thanks again

 

[Sms7829]

I feel that running Tren is not the answer.

What Tren does exceptionally well beyond any and all anabolic agents is preserve muscle mass in a caloric deficit through the antagonism of the glucocorticoid receptor. It will not magically recomp your body.

This being said, all AAS will help you to retain muscle when cutting. Tren is typically only used during a contest prep in the last few weeks because of how severe the deficit is and how insanely catabolic of an environment these guys’ bodies are in. They’re doing hours of cardio each day, lifting hard, and eating ~1500 calories.

I believe there are MUCH more effective tools for losing weight that would be safer for you. In terms of appetite suppression, you could use ECA, modafinil, moderate doses of 5HTP, melanotan 2 (kills appetite for some),

If your thyroid function is suboptimal (like mine is), you can use 25-50 mcg T3. Be sure to test TAH, T4, AND T3. In my case, TSH and T4 were normal, T3 was low. Waking body temp was low too so that’s another thing to keep track of.

The GH pathway is another path to lipolysis but this is incredibly expensive and tedious IMO. Plus, GH grows all your internal organs and can lead to heart failure and other problems in the long term.

You could also try changing diet. More fiber, more protein, fewer carbs.

Adding metformin can improve insulin sensitivity and reduce the absorption of dietary carbs by ~40%

Liraglutide and other GLP-1 agonists can be used as well though these too tend to be on the pricier side of things.

Thanks for the feedback. I’m definitely not set on tren but that’s why I’m asking questions still and also why I said I know most would say I don’t need it. I’m gonna be adding Var for 6 weeks and see what kind of results I get from that and it may do everything I want. If so I’ll just keep cycling it off and on. I’ve read lots of good things about it and feel like it’ll definitely push me closer to my goal. I won’t be running a recomp cycle til spring sometime in nice I’ve lost all the weight I want so I’m just asking and researching at the moment to plan ahead for that time.

 

[Luxferro]

Hey I appreciate the constructive feedback. I won’t call it criticism as I don’t fell like it is. I do realize that losing 20 more pounds means I’m still cutting the recomp I meant after I lose the rest of the weight this spring. I am actually planning to add 6 weeks of Var at 50mg a day starting next week. I love everything I’ve read about it and feel like it’ll definitely help me get closer towards my goal. I’m not dead set on tren for sure. I may run the var and find it does everything I want and just stick with it on and off with higher test. Thanks again

No worries! I wasn’t meaning for it come across as harsh in any way. Sorry if I gave off that impression. Just looking out for ya brother.

You can certainly do the Anavar for 6 weeks. Be mindful of your lipids. If you’re doing 50 mg per day, I’d split it into 25 mg AM and 25 mg PM. Alternatively, if it disrupts your sleep at all (like it did mine), I’d take it all in the AM.

If you’re not on any prescription meds, you can take grapefruit juice together with the var. It will extend the half-life of the Anavar by reducing its rate of metabolism in your body. Might allow you to get away with a lower dosage.

Var is certainly a LOT safer than Tren, so I think this is a good choice of compound.

 

[Sms7829]

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No worries! I wasn’t meaning for it come across as harsh in any way. Sorry if I gave off that impression. Just looking out for ya brother.

You can certainly do the Anavar for 6 weeks. Be mindful of your lipids. If you’re doing 50 mg per day, I’d split it into 25 mg AM and 25 mg PM. Alternatively, if it disrupts your sleep at all (like it did mine), I’d take it all in the AM.

If you’re not on any prescription meds, you can take grapefruit juice together with the var. It will extend the half-life of the Anavar by reducing its rate of metabolism in your body. Might allow you to get away with a lower dosage.

Var is certainly a LOT safer than Tren, so I think this is a good choice of compound.

Oh you did not come off harsh at all. I was saying that it was good positive feedback.

 

[The_Mandalorian]

So here’s the deal. I was extremely fat and worked my ass off in the gym and with diet and lost 60 lbs and I am still working on losing another 20-30 by February. I’m setting right around 20% bf right now @ 6-3. I’m on TrT of 150mg week for clinically low t. I’d like to run a cycle of test and tren for a recomp this spring. Thinking of upping the test to 250pw and adding tren at 150pw to start and upping it slowly up to 250pw if no crazy sides present themselves. I know many would say don’t touch tren but I also know it can help achieve better than anything what I want to do when everything else is right and it is as I’m working with a coach and will continue to. I’m fully aware of the risks with tren and I’m ok with that. Will probably be starting gh later this month or in January also to help with skin and just overall recovery and run that’s for at least 6 months maybe longer so it would be in the cycle also. I would like some feedback on anyones experience running a similar cycle if anyones done it.

Don't listen to anyone thats says or backhandedly implies "You aren't ready for Tren" because of some arbitrary time-based bullshit. If you're not stupid and are responsible about educating yourself you can use any compound you want anytime you want. Another year of 'being in the gym' or 'taking lesser compounds' makes no difference. This isn't a video game, there aren't levels to this shit. Everything is a tool, and 10 years of using a hammer won't make you better at using a Nail Gun. Just do it, pay attention to everything, and don't shoot it in your foot.

If your diet, and training are on point (they don't have to perfect) Tren IS the magic compound you've read about. You can increase your kcal intake while still gaining muscle and losing fat. There are so many reports of people having success doing exactly that it's ridiculous. But none of this comes for free. You WILL pay the price. The side effects are no joke. Night sweats from too many carbs, possible hair loss, crazy fucked up sex thoughts, just to name a few. That's even on low doses for some, and you won't know how you respond until you test it yourself. Like others have said TREN ACE is the way to go so you can abort in a day, instead of waiting 2 weeks for Tren E to clear out of your system.

Good Luck Bro, hope the sides are minimal and you make massive gains.

 

[Sms7829]

Don't listen to anyone thats says or backhandedly implies "You aren't ready for Tren" because of some arbitrary time-based bullshit. If you're not stupid and are responsible about educating yourself you can use any compound you want anytime you want. Another year of 'being in the gym' or 'taking lesser compounds' makes no difference. This isn't a video game, there aren't levels to this shit. Everything is a tool, and 10 years of using a hammer won't make you better at using a Nail Gun. Just do it, pay attention to everything, and don't shoot it in your foot.

If your diet, and training are on point (they don't have to perfect) Tren IS the magic compound you've read about. You can increase your kcal intake while still gaining muscle and losing fat. There are so many reports of people having success doing exactly that it's ridiculous. But none of this comes for free. You WILL pay the price. The side effects are no joke. Night sweats from too many carbs, possible hair loss, crazy fucked up sex thoughts, just to name a few. That's even on low doses for some, and you won't know how you respond until you test it yourself. Like others have said TREN ACE is the way to go so you can abort in a day, instead of waiting 2 weeks for Tren E to clear out of your system.

Good Luck Bro, hope the sides are minimal and you make massive gains.

Thanks bro I appreciate that feedback. I know deep down it it the magic compound I’ve read about but like you said it comes at a cost. That’s why right now I’m still learning and researching it as much as possible to make the most informed decision I can when it comes time to do it and be as smart as I can be about it.

 

[imagepb]

Sorry but Mandolorian is full of shit with that statement. “Tren is the magic compound”. It’s really not though. Hell, I actually saw less results on Tren than any other compound.

That said, keep in mind that no anabolic is for cutting. If you think you’re gonna shed weight bc you’re on it, you’re just not. It’s simply to keep you from catabolizing yourself while in deficit. People that talk about shedding fat while on it are in deficits. They’d be shedding weight on any compound in that state. The thing Tren is good at is allowing you to actually put on muscle while in a deficit.

 

[The_Mandalorian]

Sorry but Mandolorian is full of shit with that statement. “Tren is the magic compound”. It’s really not though. Hell, I actually saw less results on Tren than any other compound.

Glad I'm not you then. Just because your experience sucked doesn't mean all the people who had a better time of it are "full of shit".

 

[imagepb]

I’m just saying the statement “Tren IS the magic compound” is just wrong. You’re making it sound like Tren actually burns fat. And that’s just not the case at all.

OP’s goal is better served by other compounds.

You stated there aren’t levels to this shit. But there actually is. Starting with lower doses and weaker compounds allows you to progress up to stronger compounds when needed. Save Tren to get over a plateau, or when in a severe deficit for a show and need the nutrient partitioning.

 

[The_Mandalorian]

I’m just saying the statement “Tren IS the magic compound” is just wrong. You’re making it sound like Tren actually burns fat. And that’s just not the case at all.

OP’s goal is better served by other compounds.

You stated there aren’t levels to this shit. But there actually is. Starting with lower doses and weaker compounds allows you to progress up to stronger compounds when needed. Save Tren to get over a plateau, or when in a severe deficit for a show and need the nutrient partitioning.

Tren makes it substantially easier to get you to where you everyone here wants to go. Lean muscle definition or "shredded" if you will. I never said anything about "It burns fat directly" that is you filling in whatever you want to hear.

Everyone's got an opinion of which compounds are better, it all comes down to what is better for them. Tren sucks for you, but I have a friend who uses Tren E in every cycle b/c he is one of the lucky ones that gets zero side effects. Still has all his hair, no anger etc. He's always "photo ready" and I am def jealous I don't have the same lucky genetics.

The OP could be an excellent responder just like him. With little experience he won't know until he tries. There is no need to "save" anything when you don't know what it does to your body specifically. If you respond well, use it. If you respond badly, don't or only use it when the reward is seriously worth the consequences. Besides he's not going to hurt himself by testing out a short cycle of low dose Tren Ace lol. All the information he needs to know to stay safe is right at his fingertips and he's already asking good questions.

 

[imagepb]

Tren makes it substantially easier to get you to where you everyone here wants to go. Lean muscle definition or "shredded" if you will. I never said anything about "It burns fat directly" that is you filling in whatever you want to hear.

Everyone's got an opinion of which compounds are better, it all comes down to what is better for them. Tren sucks for you, but I have a friend who uses Tren E in every cycle b/c he is one of the lucky ones that gets zero side effects. Still has all his hair, no anger etc. He's always "photo ready" and I am def jealous I don't have the same lucky genetics.

The OP has could be an excellent responder just like him. With little experience he won't know until he tries. There is no need to "save" anything when you don't know what it does to your body specifically. If you respond well, use it. If you respond badly, don't or only use it when the reward is seriously worth the consequences. Besides he's not going to hurt himself by testing out a short cycle of low dose Tren Ace lol.

Actually that’s not my goal. I care less about “shredded”. I want functional strength for when I’m literally at war. Rather it be to carry a teammate or client out, or in hand to hand. Weight is a small concern but ripped is literally not even on my radar. There’s tons on here that are power lifters that don’t care about ripped either. That said, we know OP’s post is about shedding weight. He mentioned using Tren to burn fat. Im simply stating that Tren does not burn fat. That’s just facts. If someone is shedding fat, it’s due to their diet.

Again, what Tren does allow, is one to still gain muscle while in a deficit. I believe some confuse that with Tren causing fat burning.

I’m actually lucky in that I get almost zero sides from Tren as well. Shortness of breath is all I see.

 

[Gbunk]

Tren makes it substantially easier to get you to where you everyone here wants to go. Lean muscle definition or "shredded" if you will. I never said anything about "It burns fat directly" that is you filling in whatever you want to hear.

Everyone's got an opinion of which compounds are better, it all comes down to what is better for them. Tren sucks for you, but I have a friend who uses Tren E in every cycle b/c he is one of the lucky ones that gets zero side effects. Still has all his hair, no anger etc. He's always "photo ready" and I am def jealous I don't have the same lucky genetics.

The OP could be an excellent responder just like him. With little experience he won't know until he tries. There is no need to "save" anything when you don't know what it does to your body specifically. If you respond well, use it. If you respond badly, don't or only use it when the reward is seriously worth the consequences. Besides he's not going to hurt himself by testing out a short cycle of low dose Tren Ace lol. All the information he needs to know to stay safe is right at his fingertips and he's already asking good questions.

If your buddy doesn’t have sides, he doesn’t know what it could be causing to his insides to an extent like arterial walls or what have you. I’m not saying it directly causes damage for everyone but generally it’s considered a harsh compound that taxes the body. Who knows what could be happening to things we can’t see or maybe the markers we don’t get tested if that makes sense. My opinion, to run tren for every cycle just because labs or sides aren’t existent or an issue, seems stupid or like blindly playing with fire. Just my 2¢

 

[The_Mandalorian]

If your buddy doesn’t have sides, he doesn’t know what it could be causing to his insides to an extent like arterial walls or what have you. I’m not saying it directly causes damage for everyone but generally it’s considered a harsh compound that taxes the body. Who knows what could be happening to things we can’t see or maybe the markers we don’t get tested if that makes sense. My opinion, to run tren for every cycle just because labs or sides aren’t existent or an issue, seems stupid or like blindly playing with fire. Just my 2¢

Everything we do here has possible unseen long-term effects that may or may not happen. In my opinion, if you can't accept the consequences of your actions, don't do steroids. You could have shit luck and get the entire laundry list of horrible things at 40, or not feel anything until you're 65+ where you would have heart trouble anyway. The fear of the unknowable is no way to live for me. Being responsible, and controlling things within the parameters that you can measure is the best way.

 

[Sms7829]

Actually that’s not my goal. I care less about “shredded”. I want functional strength for when I’m literally at war. Rather it be to carry a teammate or client out, or in hand to hand. Weight is a small concern but ripped is literally not even on my radar. There’s tons on here that are power lifters that don’t care about ripped either. That said, we know OP’s post is about shedding weight. He mentioned using Tren to burn fat. Im simply stating that Tren does not burn fat. That’s just facts. If someone is shedding fat, it’s due to their diet.

Again, what Tren does allow, is one to still gain muscle while in a deficit. I believe some confuse that with Tren causing fat burning.

I’m actually lucky in that I get almost zero sides from Tren as well. Shortness of breath is all I see.

Actually I never mentioned wanting to use tren to burn fat. What I said was I’m planning for n losing another 20-30 pounds of fat before running a tren cycle for a body recomp. Adding muscle while being in a deficit or at maintenance is exactly one of main reasons for wanting to run tren. I’m not under any misunderstanding about tren being a fat burner. My goal with tren is purely aesthetic reasons. I’m not a power lifter and my goals aren’t strength based. I want the shredded look which I understand not everyone does because everyone’s goals are different. But I do appreciate the responses you’ve made.

I’m just saying the statement “Tren IS the magic compound” is just wrong. You’re making it sound like Tren actually burns fat. And that’s just not the case at all.

OP’s goal is better served by other compounds.

You stated there aren’t levels to this shit. But there actually is. Starting with lower doses and weaker compounds allows you to progress up to stronger compounds when needed. Save Tren to get over a plateau, or when in a severe deficit for a show and need the nutrient partitioning.

Curious what compounds you feel would better serve my purpose based on my response above to your other comment?