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Male Osteoporosis: Test or GH?

overduerent

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Anyone have experience with this?

My co-worker is seeking either testosterone therapy or GH therapy from the VA for bone mineral density (BMD) loss. The docs at the VA have consented to provide therapy but the first thing they offered him was a T patch or an oral. I told him that I wasn’t familiar with an actual oral testosterone application. The first pubmed article does mention a test u oral though but that is new to me.

I told him that without looking at anything, I would assume that growth would be a better treatment. Pubmed has some articles that come up with a quick google search but I’m having a hard time interpreting which, test or growth, is a preferred therapy. It looks to me, like a lower dose of growth is preferred over test or even a higher dose of growth.

Any help is appreciated. Obviously, he’s going to go with what the doc prescribes but for my own interest, I’d like to know what this community believes.

The first article from Pubmed that came up indicated that testosterone therapy IS NOT a good protocol from BMD loss: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2811355/ “Despite the positive effect of androgen therapy on the bone only hypogonadism can be treated with testosterone replacement therapy, because the associated androgenic effects limit, especially in the older patient the benefits.”

2d article here but it’s just the abstract: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12414848 “We conclude that 2 yr of intermittent or continuous treatment with GH in men with idiopathic osteoporosis results in an increase in BMD and BMC that is sustained for at least 1 yr post treatment.”

My co-worker is 45yr AA male, natty test is 517 and he’s in a wheel chair for a spinal injury from 22 years ago. This came up because he wants to start competing in some type of athletic event. I told him that at 517, I’d try to avoid TRT especially being that he’s 45. His test levels are great.
 
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DYELBB

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Pretty sure anavar helps with increasing bone density and minerals. Look into that too. I could just be talking out of my ass though lol but I’m pretty sure I read that somewhere.
 
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Swole_Guacamole

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I would recommend the Growth hormone. Also deca is great for joints and bones.

He should get his Estrogen levels checked as well, I know low estrogen can worsen symptoms of osteoporosis
 
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King_Me

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He has bone density issues and they don’t have him on vitamin D injections? I had simply issues with pain/aching in my lower extremities and the doctor “guessed” it was a bone density issue, prescribed me Vitamin D shots, and I feel a hundred fold better.
 
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overduerent

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I would recommend the Growth hormone. Also deca is great for joints and bones.

He should get his Estrogen levels checked as well, I know low estrogen can worsen symptoms of osteoporosis
They did his BW at the VA but didn’t check lipids or his estrogen.


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He has bone density issues and they don’t have him on vitamin D injections? I had simply issues with pain/aching in my lower extremities and the doctor “guessed” it was a bone density issue, prescribed me Vitamin D shots, and I feel a hundred fold better.
They want to start him on something but it wasn’t a caplet from Walmart so I didn’t know what he was talking about. It was some crazy number though… like 50,000 IU so it must be an injection. They weren’t even going to check his D but I told him that he needed to request that before the rx’d anything. We both work in IT so I knew he was going to be low.
 
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https://www.steroidal.com/steroid-profiles/andriol/

Although it is available, it’s not necessarily ideal. Low oral bioavailability which fluctuates depending on what you’ve been eating makes it a dicey proposition at best to keep dialed in numbers. Also the oil used to suspend the testosterone in the caps can cause diarrhea depending on quantity of capsules being taken, although that tidbit may only apply to somebody trying to use it for more then replacement dosages. Not ideal at all. I think I’d rather be on Nebido then taking oral caps.
 
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Asteron

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Look in to MK-677 human studies have shown it to increase both muscle mass and bone mineral density,.
 
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dicklet

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Vitamin D is borderline useless without K2, as is Calcium. MK-677 will give you a boost but that’s like modding the air intake of your parents’ SUV to go 20% faster. Your car is clearly shit right now and there is obviously a greater underlying problem which is causing your osteoporosis and I believe Vitamin K2 + Calcium is going to give you the biggest improvements, no need to take hormones or inject Vitamin D.

I personally have not had any shin splints since starting my K2 + Calcium cycle (I say that because it’s so powerful) and I’ve been sprinting twice as hard this year on a basketball floor (snow) - just last year I had actual stress fractures from like 4 weeks of running on a proper track. My face has widened and I’ve gained about 0.1-0.2" on my wrists after about 3 weeks on this stuff (I’m not bullshitting, people on forums talk about seeing this as well.)
 
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