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Masteron with TRT
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RaisinBalls
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r_on3" pid='67326' dateline='1567560653:
Masteron 52 weeks a year
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I run all year round.
I feel like shit when I go off Mast, start getting down, don’t feel like doing much of anything. Test is just one of the missing pieces to get yourself back to feeling strong, you need it, but DHT does things to your brain, endurance, everything feels like it’s working better, faster.
The only thing is if you’re gonna run it year round, run low doses. I’ve taken too much and when I do my joints start to ache when I’m lifting heavy, hits my shoulders and elbows hard, knees, hips, ankles. This is the side effect that has caused me to quit for a few weeks and start back up at a lower dose. It’s probably from drying out too much.
Some run it half and half, I do this. Or 60/40 Test/Mast. You play around with it and see what it’s like. Of course being a DHT derivative it doesn’t aromatize and so you always have to have test on board to produce estrogen. And of course there’s no test for masteron, it’s not the serum DHT you test for.
It’s one of the safest AAS you can take, some report problems with BPH, but those people are running higher doses for a longer period of time.
Takes a couple of weeks for the effect to kick in if you’re using Mast Prop.
I feel like shit when I go off Mast, start getting down, don’t feel like doing much of anything. Test is just one of the missing pieces to get yourself back to feeling strong, you need it, but DHT does things to your brain, endurance, everything feels like it’s working better, faster.
The only thing is if you’re gonna run it year round, run low doses. I’ve taken too much and when I do my joints start to ache when I’m lifting heavy, hits my shoulders and elbows hard, knees, hips, ankles. This is the side effect that has caused me to quit for a few weeks and start back up at a lower dose. It’s probably from drying out too much.
Some run it half and half, I do this. Or 60/40 Test/Mast. You play around with it and see what it’s like. Of course being a DHT derivative it doesn’t aromatize and so you always have to have test on board to produce estrogen. And of course there’s no test for masteron, it’s not the serum DHT you test for.
It’s one of the safest AAS you can take, some report problems with BPH, but those people are running higher doses for a longer period of time.
Takes a couple of weeks for the effect to kick in if you’re using Mast Prop.
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Dexter" pid='67340' dateline='1567575365:
I’ve moved over to Proviron at 50mg/day as my DHT “feelgood” compound and had no issues with BPH. Wish I could explain exactly why one causes me issues and the other does not. Mast is great for me otherwise
Not strictly true; I’ve had BPH issues as low as 140mg/week.
I’ve moved over to Proviron at 50mg/day as my DHT “feelgood” compound and had no issues with BPH. Wish I could explain exactly why one causes me issues and the other does not. Mast is great for me otherwise
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beefnewton
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I use 30mg a day and have used it year-round for a few years, along with 20mg of Test daily. If I go above 30mg, I start to shed pretty bad. Love Masteron.
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warplain" pid='67347' dateline='1567590437:
Mast: 2alpha-methyl-dht injected
Proviron: 1-methyl-5alpha-dht oral
I’ve never tried proviron.
Wouldn’t they both have dht and target the same angrogen receptors and both cause BPH, or does Proviron not target the prostate in the same way Mast does. Since proviron is oral does it have the same bioavailability as an injected mast?
Did you try running Mast at a lower dose, say 25mg 2x week?
I’ll add some Mesterolone(raw proviron) into an order in the future and try it out.
DHT (derivitives in this case) Mast and Proviron.Not strictly true; I’ve had BPH issues as low as 140mg/week.
I’ve moved over to Proviron at 50mg/day as my DHT “feelgood” compound and had no issues with BPH. Wish I could explain exactly why one causes me issues and the other does not. Mast is great for me otherwise
Mast: 2alpha-methyl-dht injected
Proviron: 1-methyl-5alpha-dht oral
I’ve never tried proviron.
Wouldn’t they both have dht and target the same angrogen receptors and both cause BPH, or does Proviron not target the prostate in the same way Mast does. Since proviron is oral does it have the same bioavailability as an injected mast?
Did you try running Mast at a lower dose, say 25mg 2x week?
I’ll add some Mesterolone(raw proviron) into an order in the future and try it out.
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Dexter" pid='67359' dateline='1567606077:
I probably will try much lower dose mast next time I run a cycle; but Proviron is just so darn effective at 50mg/day without negative sides that I’m also hesitant to switch what works.
But I definitely havent found a satisfying answer at this point.
It’s definitely outside of what I know anything about at that pointwarplain" pid='67347' dateline='1567590437:
DHT (derivitives in this case) Mast and Proviron.Not strictly true; I’ve had BPH issues as low as 140mg/week.
I’ve moved over to Proviron at 50mg/day as my DHT “feelgood” compound and had no issues with BPH. Wish I could explain exactly why one causes me issues and the other does not. Mast is great for me otherwise
Mast: 2alpha-methyl-dht injected
Proviron: 1-methyl-5alpha-dht oral
I’ve never tried proviron.
Wouldn’t they both have dht and target the same angrogen receptors and both cause BPH, or does Proviron not target the prostate in the same way Mast does. Since proviron is oral does it have the same bioavailability as an injected mast?
Did you try running Mast at a lower dose, say 25mg 2x week?
I’ll add some Mesterolone(raw proviron) into an order in the future and try it out.
I probably will try much lower dose mast next time I run a cycle; but Proviron is just so darn effective at 50mg/day without negative sides that I’m also hesitant to switch what works.
But I definitely havent found a satisfying answer at this point.
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Samv12" pid='67378' dateline='1567615766:
The problem is that there is no blood test you can run for masteron. Of course you can get drug tested(if you’re a competitive athlete), but that’s expensive and not available to the general public.
I wouldn’t pin everyday with Masteron regardless the ester. Half-life Mast Propionate is 3-4 days and is detectable for 3 weeks,Mast Enanthate is 8-10 days and is detectable for 3 months.
Some argue you should stick with compatible esters when running Test and Mast. Makes sense, but it doesn’t matter if you pin frequently like I do. Prop peaks fast and decreases, Mast E builds up over time just like Test E.
The thing is if you do go with Prop, and you experience BPH, you can get it out of your system quicker and hopefully shrink the prostate so you can pee normally again.
Play around with a steroid graph to see how the esters of various compounds build up, peak and trough.
http://steroidcalc.com/
I run masteron P and E. Right now I’m running a blend that I put together myself, 2ml Test Acetate, 5ml Test E, 3ml Mast P in a 10ml vial. Test Acetate 100mg/ml, Test E is 200mg, Mast P 200mg/ml. This morning I injected 1ml, needed a boost, normally 0.5ml 3x/week.
The problem is that there is no blood test you can run for masteron. Of course you can get drug tested(if you’re a competitive athlete), but that’s expensive and not available to the general public.
I wouldn’t pin everyday with Masteron regardless the ester. Half-life Mast Propionate is 3-4 days and is detectable for 3 weeks,Mast Enanthate is 8-10 days and is detectable for 3 months.
Some argue you should stick with compatible esters when running Test and Mast. Makes sense, but it doesn’t matter if you pin frequently like I do. Prop peaks fast and decreases, Mast E builds up over time just like Test E.
The thing is if you do go with Prop, and you experience BPH, you can get it out of your system quicker and hopefully shrink the prostate so you can pee normally again.
Play around with a steroid graph to see how the esters of various compounds build up, peak and trough.
http://steroidcalc.com/
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Having dealt with the BPH aspect (on Enth) I’d soooooo not fuck with anything but a short ester.
And that also moved me into short esters for everything; from NPP to Tren A - I mind pinning daily FAR FAR less than I mind sitting with negative side effects for longer than necessary when I do come across them.
And that also moved me into short esters for everything; from NPP to Tren A - I mind pinning daily FAR FAR less than I mind sitting with negative side effects for longer than necessary when I do come across them.
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beefnewton
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Samv12" pid='67378' dateline='1567615766:
Here is my daily regimen:
20mg Test Prop
30mg Mast Prop
30mg Primo Enth
25mg Proviron (split between morning and night)
6mg Boron with dinner
0.2mg Aromasin suspension (see below)
The Test Prop is something I’ve had to increase over the years. It used to be doses even as low as 6mg were enough, but especially when I started lifting, my labs would come back low enough that I would need to bump up. I try to keep levels between 600-800.
I love the Mast. I definitely feel it, and it does give me an edge. The Primo I’m not so sure. I’ve been on the fence about that one for a while, especially at such a relatively low dose. However, I’ve made very good gains with lifting, and for someone like me that is an extremely hard gainer, I don’t really want to mess with what’s been working.
The Aromasin is a crazy low dose, but I’ve been off and on it enough, with labs, that I have had to titrate it down that much. I use volumetric dosing to get that low of a dose. Anything more than 0.2mg takes my E2 too low. I don’t know why it works so well for me. E2 is just so hard to control. If it gets high, I’ve learned to recognize it first by food cravings… and then higher I’ll start getting these stupid ocular migraines along with prostate spasms (real fun). It’s sneaky when it gets too low. I’ll just realize one day I feel like shit all the time. Then I’ll get labs, and E2 will come back a 7. And I’ve had it come back like that on only 0.5mg of Aromasin suspension a day. Crazy. It’s still a work in progress after years of trial and error. I’m almost there.
p.s. My natural Total Test levels were anywhere between 50-150 before starting TRT mid-late 30’s. No known reason. I had never used AAS prior to that.
I use as short an ester as practical. For example, I’ve toyed with TNE, and it just creates too many ramps. Prop has done very well. All injections are subcutaneous with BD insulin syringes (1ml, 8mm, 31g). It’s not that hard loading them. I have tongs wrapped with a rubber band. I’ll start the draw, put the vial in between the tongs, and just flip it on the table and let it be until full.
Here is my daily regimen:
20mg Test Prop
30mg Mast Prop
30mg Primo Enth
25mg Proviron (split between morning and night)
6mg Boron with dinner
0.2mg Aromasin suspension (see below)
The Test Prop is something I’ve had to increase over the years. It used to be doses even as low as 6mg were enough, but especially when I started lifting, my labs would come back low enough that I would need to bump up. I try to keep levels between 600-800.
I love the Mast. I definitely feel it, and it does give me an edge. The Primo I’m not so sure. I’ve been on the fence about that one for a while, especially at such a relatively low dose. However, I’ve made very good gains with lifting, and for someone like me that is an extremely hard gainer, I don’t really want to mess with what’s been working.
The Aromasin is a crazy low dose, but I’ve been off and on it enough, with labs, that I have had to titrate it down that much. I use volumetric dosing to get that low of a dose. Anything more than 0.2mg takes my E2 too low. I don’t know why it works so well for me. E2 is just so hard to control. If it gets high, I’ve learned to recognize it first by food cravings… and then higher I’ll start getting these stupid ocular migraines along with prostate spasms (real fun). It’s sneaky when it gets too low. I’ll just realize one day I feel like shit all the time. Then I’ll get labs, and E2 will come back a 7. And I’ve had it come back like that on only 0.5mg of Aromasin suspension a day. Crazy. It’s still a work in progress after years of trial and error. I’m almost there.
p.s. My natural Total Test levels were anywhere between 50-150 before starting TRT mid-late 30’s. No known reason. I had never used AAS prior to that.
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beefnewton" pid='67631' dateline='1567794305:
That’s a good way of matching your natural body rhythm. The more frequent lower dose injections work, even the steroid cycle calculator shows better results with short ester lower dose high frequency injections, creates a steady state and highly controlled dosing schedule.
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Tony_Parks
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Your idea is a good one. I’ve run mast with TRT and had good results. At 200 mg of mast per week, however, my hematocrit shot up. I felt great and had surprising strength gains. I started using naringin and donating blood and hematocrit came down. I recently tried mast again at only 100 mg per week. Even at that low of a dosage, I noticed a strength boost and increase in well being. My reaction to mast is likely atypical as I haven’t heard of others having hematocrit issues on such low doses (or getting significant strength gains at these low of doses). My recent TRT-plus cycle consisted of 300 mg/week of primo and 100 mg/week of mast, and I was pleased with the results. I’ve gotten more vascular and have more separation between muscles, and I didn’t really change my diet. I’d like to do that cycle year-round, but I go off prior to bloodwork for my TRT doc and to give myself a break.
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Tony Parks" pid='67705' dateline='1567855095:
The question is does DHT(derivatives) effect iron homeostasis. The best way to study this would be to go on Masteron for a year exclusively, this would bottom out your T levels, but also you estrogen. We know Testosteron elevates HCT independently if you use something to block 5-alpha-reductase conversion to DHT. This isn’t being studied because DHT is considered dangerous to the health of prostate and in general men are obsessed with blocking it for various reasons. Those of us taking DHT derivatives know the effect it has on us, the benefits are outstanding, most doctors would probably think were crazy. TRT protocols would benefit from small dose DHT supplementation. Transgender(women wanting to become male) is the group DHT is prescribed for, outside of this, I don’t know of doctors prescribing this for men on TRT.
I run mast all the time and I haven’t been able to find data on DHT derivatives boosting red cell production. Even Anabolics 11th edition doesn’t have info on this steroid boosting rbcs. For me I wouldn’t know because I have to draw off blood every month regardless. Higher dose of test will send my hct to 65% if I don’t remove blood. We know test and many other steroids alter iron metabolism. The research I’ve looked at is testosteron mediates erythropoiesis independent of elevated DHT or even if you prevent DHT conversion from T via 5-alpha-reductase.
The question is does DHT(derivatives) effect iron homeostasis. The best way to study this would be to go on Masteron for a year exclusively, this would bottom out your T levels, but also you estrogen. We know Testosteron elevates HCT independently if you use something to block 5-alpha-reductase conversion to DHT. This isn’t being studied because DHT is considered dangerous to the health of prostate and in general men are obsessed with blocking it for various reasons. Those of us taking DHT derivatives know the effect it has on us, the benefits are outstanding, most doctors would probably think were crazy. TRT protocols would benefit from small dose DHT supplementation. Transgender(women wanting to become male) is the group DHT is prescribed for, outside of this, I don’t know of doctors prescribing this for men on TRT.
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beefnewton
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Well hematocrit is an issue for me, as well. I never had much luck with Naringin, and doctors around here just flip out when you need a therapeutic phlebotomy. I taught myself to do it on my own using an aquarium dosing pump, tubing, 16g needles, and a lot of being careful. I usually need to do it every 8 weeks or so, but that is also a continuing work in progress. I’ve been doing it on my own 3-4 years. It hits my ferritin/iron levels hard, and it’s a struggle to find the right balance of iron (heme iron) that keeps me from trending anemic without pushing iron levels too high. I should really be a lot more scientific about it, get more frequent labs, and just end the speculation and trial/error once and for all.
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superawesomename
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beefnewton" pid='67631' dateline='1567794305:
Makes me wonder if I didn’t manage to eat myself into low t from early childhood because of shit diet. Idk what your eating habits were over say the past 10 years prior but I’d be interested if it was sugary/simple carby lol.
I just want to throw out that at 24, no priorr gear use and just a random blood draw at my family doc was at 131. She told me a lot of her patients have been on the lower end for years but it’s been getting lower and lower. Doesn’t want to speculate as to why I was so low but she hinted towards diet and hormones they use in our food. When I look back I was eating fucking miserably my entire life, not in quantity but quality.
Makes me wonder if I didn’t manage to eat myself into low t from early childhood because of shit diet. Idk what your eating habits were over say the past 10 years prior but I’d be interested if it was sugary/simple carby lol.
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