MENT Vs. Deca/NPP Vs. Tren for Offeason

[Mister.Piccolo]

@nswole1 That’s what I’ve heard, for me personally I’m debating NPP or MENT Ace ATM. I rule out Tren because while it hasn’t caused me many mwntal or visual (acne, hair loss, etc) sides, it has most certainly had a terrible impact on my bloodwork. In addition, the neuro and cardio toxicity make it just not worth the price for my offseason (even if doing minibulks).

 

[Mister.Piccolo]

@tejascardinal For you, have you noticed a real difference between NPP or Deca itself? Also what were the MENT issues that kept you from using MENT offseason, and at what dose/ duration?

 

[Mister.Piccolo]

@DAPPERDANMANXXX TBH made the thread to hear people battle em all out, but my personal choice is likely to be either NPP or MENT Ace for my bulk. Really interested in people’s experiences between the two, but tossed Tren in because there are quite a few guys running it offseason.

 

[tejascardinal]

Mister.Piccolo said:

@tejascardinal For you, have you noticed a real difference between NPP or Deca itself? Also what were the MENT issues that kept you from using MENT offseason, and at what dose/ duration?

No, not really, maybe slightly less water retention with NPP but I’m not worried about that because a little bit of water retention can be helpful if it doesn’t effect blood pressure.

I didn’t have any issues with ment per say just a little nipple sensitivity but I felt deca just treated me better.

 

[beast405]

I love npp

 

[ProtonUSA]

Not to hijack a thread ... but Can anyone tell me what these compounds are?

7-alpha-methylestrene-3, 17-dione (2 mg)

Estra-4, 9, 11-triene-3, 17-dione (10 mg)

I have been told the first is trendione or trenevar and when I researched it I found sites saying its Nandolone, and that leads me back to NPP.

About 10 years ago I took this (prohormone) not fully understanding what it was. Asking as I am on TRT and have been told NPP is a good add on if you want to get creative

 

[beefee321]

I love MENT. I've pretty much lost interest in every other compound since trying MENT. I'm about to start my 4th cycle with it. Nothing has given me such a perfect mix of size, strength, well being, libido, and lack of negative sides that MENT has.

My understanding is not everyone has that same experience with it, and its am estrogen nightmare for some peope, but it's literally the only cycle I'll run now, I swap between it and just test. Maybe at least give it a try?

 

[PCTAccount]

If you're a big eater and looking for off-season size, I'd recommend Test E/C and Nandrolone Decanoate. Depending on your starting size, stats, cycle history, and goals, 200-600 of each compound weekly.

Where your money will be best spent afterwards for off-season gaining is in professional quality HGH. Shopping around different UGL sources is an option, and will potentially save money, but my ultimate recommendations based on fact of observation will always be to source pharmacy grade HGH. It's about 3 times the cost. I'd recommend Ansomone. 2-3iu is really all that's needed. UGL HGH works great too at 2-3iu daily but 6-8iu may be achieved for peak administration doses to end the cycle. (Think the last 2-3 weeks)

Also keep in mind HGH should always be dosed alongside the side effect pattern principles. If you get unmanageable side effects, lower the dose immediately or skip it for a few days. Growing to quickly leaves you mutated and mangled.

Note* I don't recommend orals outside of quick size and strength gains as they are hepatoxic and can decrease appetite. Big no no for off-season gaining.



PCT

 

[PCTAccount]

Not to hijack a thread ... but Can anyone tell me what these compounds are?

7-alpha-methylestrene-3, 17-dione (2 mg)

Estra-4, 9, 11-triene-3, 17-dione (10 mg)

I have been told the first is trendione or trenevar and when I researched it I found sites saying its Nandolone, and that leads me back to NPP.

About 10 years ago I took this (prohormone) not fully understanding what it was. Asking as I am on TRT and have been told NPP is a good add on if you want to get creative

Those are extremely potent oral compounds. The first one listed is a derivative of methyl nandrolone. That should be a very strong wet bulking oral. Huge fullness, nasty wet sides. Gyno potential. 4-6mg daily would blow you up like good deca and dbol, just much more harsh and forced, quicker acting. To be done in less than a month.

The second one is an oral trendione, a metabolite of Trenbolone. In this case it's been altered in a laboratory, and was at the time considered a legal variant. Basically a wet oral tren. Nasty stuff. Should be dry enough though as it only activates the estrogen receptor and doesn't convert to estrogen. It's a modified Trenbolone metabolite. I think they referred to this one commonly as "reaper".... 20-30mg of this stuff for 2 months would change a guy... Also put their dick and natural hormones straight in the fucking dirt. Would have given you the gains you didn't want to let go of. The leaning up while staying hard, but wet kind of stuff. Varied libido that left you numb and sick, visually describable by a certain look in the eyes. The kind of stuff that people ran irresponsibly for months on end, not giving a shit about their liver out in Arizona bought from whatever sketchy supplement shop that paid the FBI off. Lol.

 

[ProtonUSA]

Those are extremely potent oral compounds. The first one listed is a derivative of methyl nandrolone. That should be a very strong wet bulking oral. Huge fullness, nasty wet sides. Gyno potential. 4-6mg daily would blow you up like good deca and dbol, just much more harsh and forced, quicker acting. To be done in less than a month.

The second one is an oral trendione, a metabolite of Trenbolone. In this case it's been altered in a laboratory, and was at the time considered a legal variant. Basically a wet oral tren. Nasty stuff. Should be dry enough though as it only activates the estrogen receptor and doesn't convert to estrogen. It's a modified Trenbolone metabolite. I think they referred to this one commonly as "reaper".... 20-30mg of this stuff for 2 months would change a guy... Also put their dick and natural hormones straight in the fucking dirt. Would have given you the gains you didn't want to let go of. The leaning up while staying hard, but wet kind of stuff. Varied libido that left you numb and sick, visually describable by a certain look in the eyes. The kind of stuff that people ran irresponsibly for months on end, not giving a shit about their liver out in Arizona bought from whatever sketchy supplement shop that paid the FBI off. Lol.

I really appreciate the insight to these compounds -

in 2010 I took a "test booster" that in hindsight was likely superdrol and dienolone. I can share an image of the bottle later but for someone who had never heard the word prohormone and was under the guise I was taking a true 'test booster' I was in for a wild ride. it added 18# in 5 weeks and I couldnt believe how hard/dense my muscles felt. Also - I was a sex machine. Could not get enough. Could go all night. Very strange situation for me (but a lot of fun) ...
I did have itchy nips at one point and a slight shed of hair and thats what prompted me to do some digging and figure out what I had been sold

Anyway, fast forward to 2016 and I am doing a lot of HIIT mixed in with some Heavy workouts (I am all natural) and while cleaning out a storage unit I find a bottle of "Super tren extreme" (this is what I asked about in my initial post). I had bought this years before I forgot that I still had it. in 2016 I was more educated and knew that it an anabolic and decided to take it for a month. Most guys I asked told me it was ment and trendione. 5 weeks later and I am the leanest I have ever been. I gained a lot of strength and lost likely 10# of fat and I have always been a lean guy, so my waist shrunk down to 28"
It was a completely different expereince than the first PH. I had zero sides. No nips. No hair loss. No bloat. Gave me an 8 pack too. I had always assumed that it was such a low dose that I avoided sides from that alone ... but I was never sure.

Have you taken either of these PH? Are they still in production?

 

[ProtonUSA]

@DAPPERDANMANXXX TBH made the thread to hear people battle em all out, but my personal choice is likely to be either NPP or MENT Ace for my bulk. Really interested in people’s experiences between the two, but tossed Tren in because there are quite a few guys running it offseason.

How did that cycle go?

 

[Apexgym90]

@effswithtren I realize it’s all subject, hence asking for people’s anecdotes… I’ve ran Deca once at way too high along test, EQ and Anadrol… a dumb cycle, way way beyond anything I needed to touch at the time and still don’t need anything like that…
My last couple cycles have been. Test E 500-750 range and Primo at 600-800 and its been awesome, really great cycles for me… been on 150mg trt dose since January and ready for a nice bulk, started looking at nandrolone but I’ve got Tren And a little MENT … you know… for emergencies… Trying to stay the healthy-er route and that’s why I’ve been rolling with Primo…
Thinking 600T/350NPP and maybe some lowish dose Var… 25mg/day for 6-8 weeks (we’ll see how bloodwork and performance goes)…

How you like VAR? I been eerie on buying cause people say it's often faked with win