Ment vs tren

[Batmanhimself]

Is ment really more efficient that tren for building muscle? I get no sides from tren but have never tried ment it’s anabolic rating is 4 x tren so it would make sense it builds more muscle but I want to hear about experiences.

 

[dick_starbuck]

All anabolics build tissue at roughly the same rate. It's the secondary effects that really separate how effective they are. Take whichever one you react well too and can run in a high enough dosage to keep making progress.

All those androgenic anabolic ratings aren't super relevant in real world applications.

 

[goodfella]

My experience with ment, I can add more size/mass than I can when running tren-a. Tren-a I use more typical for leaning out/cutting and getting ready for summer weather ect (of course can still use it to bulk), while Ment I'd use more for bulking and trying to gain size/mass but that's not to say you can't use ment to cut as it builds/retains muscle very well. Although, Ment can (and most likely will) come with a cost of high estro and gyno flare ups. This can be a given depending on how you respond or how you're running your ai with it. I'm not really one to go off whats on paper for anabolic/androgen ratio but the ratio for Ment truly is on par for whats on paper. It's up there HIGH. You'll gain some strength gains like you do with tren. Some guys love it and others hate it do to the cost of sides, gyno being the biggest. I think I can recall flares up within the first 1-2 weeks of first using it. I've only used ment attached to acetate ester only and never with it using a long ester, as I've heard that ment attached to a longer (decanoate ester) has less sides=less estrogen/gyno. Would I use it again? Possibly, as I've seen it a lot more common nowadays and makes me gain a interest to at least try it with the longer ester attached to it.

 

[petefox]

I react better to MENT than trenbolone, so it has become sort of a staple in my usage.

I manage estrogen quite well with supps, keep AI close if needed but only treat gyno issues with strong serms (Raloxifene or Ormeloxifene).

I like to run Trestolone Ace 100mg weekly as a trt+, 150mg weekly while cutting and long ester (enanthate or decanoate) at 300mg weekly for bulking.

I have excellent bloodwork on MENT, even showed it off on livestream (I really need to get back on that). Ran Trestolone Enanthate 300mg weekly with no test base, felt fine and was hard and libido wasn't affected. My bioidentical E2 was 3pg, my docs at Marek were concerned but I felt great.

 

[Batmanhimself]

I react better to MENT than trenbolone, so it has become sort of a staple in my usage.

I manage estrogen quite well with supps, keep AI close if needed but only treat gyno issues with strong serms (Raloxifene or Ormeloxifene).

I like to run Trestolone Ace 100mg weekly as a trt+, 150mg weekly while cutting and long ester (enanthate or decanoate) at 300mg weekly for bulking.

I have excellent bloodwork on MENT, even showed it off on livestream (I really need to get back on that). Ran Trestolone Enanthate 300mg weekly with no test base, felt fine and was hard and libido wasn't affected. My bioidentical E2 was 3pg, my docs at Marek were concerned but I felt great.

Did you have liver toxicity with ment?

 

[Batmanhimself]

My experience with ment, I can add more size/mass than I can when running tren-a. Tren-a I use more typical for leaning out/cutting and getting ready for summer weather ect (of course can still use it to bulk), while Ment I'd use more for bulking and trying to gain size/mass but that's not to say you can't use ment to cut as it builds/retains muscle very well. Although, Ment can (and most likely will) come with a cost of high estro and gyno flare ups. This can be a given depending on how you respond or how you're running your ai with it. I'm not really one to go off whats on paper for anabolic/androgen ratio but the ratio for Ment truly is on par for whats on paper. It's up there HIGH. You'll gain some strength gains like you do with tren. Some guys love it and others hate it do to the cost of sides, gyno being the biggest. I think I can recall flares up within the first 1-2 weeks of first using it. I've only used ment attached to acetate ester only and never with it using a long ester, as I've heard that ment attached to a longer (decanoate ester) has less sides=less estrogen/gyno. Would I use it again? Possibly, as I've seen it a lot more common nowadays and makes me gain a interest to at least try it with the longer ester attached to it.

How was your experience with the methyl estrogen is it really stronger in side effects than regular estrogen?

 

[jumdumpster]

ment is better and doesnt dry you out like tren does
for me the estrogen effects were completely indistinguishable from the other stuff i was already running. it didnt seem to make a difference

 

[petefox]

Did you have liver toxicity with tren? That’s the main reason I want to switch but also for more size.

Not really, I did make the mistake of getting labs drawn after lifting the day prior but being hydrated helped.

I just don't like the mental instability and the chances of plaque buildup, if I had a pro card to go for I'd have to just lose because tren isn't worth it for me at 48.

 

[petefox]

ment is better and doesnt dry you out like tren does
for me the estrogen effects were completely indistinguishable from the other stuff i was already running. it didnt seem to make a difference

I like feeling full and dense on Trestolone, still with the 3D look of tren just not as dramatic unless you're already lean.

I agree with the 7aMethyl-E2 feeling the same as regular E2 but my DIM/Cal-D-Glucarate/Damiana stack keeps things in order, no gyno flares but I have Ormeloxifene for that..

 

[Batmanhimself]

I like feeling full and dense on Trestolone, still with the 3D look of tren just not as dramatic unless you're already lean.

I agree with the 7aMethyl-E2 feeling the same as regular E2 but my DIM/Cal-D-Glucarate/Damiana stack keeps things in order, no gyno flares but I have Ormeloxifene for that..

I saw a transformation on trest and the guys abs we’re so far out which I didn’t like is the bloating really that bad?

 

[petefox]

I saw a transformation on trest and the guys abs we’re so far out which I didn’t like is the bloating really that bad?

Could be full of food or something, maybe IGF-1 over-use. I get very little bloat on trest, mostly it's either HGH or CJC/Dac if I do get some water but I take Uva Ursi to drop it if uncomfortable.

 

[petefox]

Do you have a source for ment e all the source here have it in the acetate version?

Most research sites carry it as it's technically not banned, Amino Asylum has Decanoate and Modern Aminos has enanthate.

 

[goodfella]

Most research sites carry it as it's technically not banned, Amino Asylum has Decanoate and Modern Aminos has enanthate.

Can you recommend a dose for Enanthate?

 

[petefox]

Is researchem better than amino asylum amino seems to have a lot of complaints.

I feel it is, AA tested fine but they're always out of stock. I just finished the trest decanoate and felt great on it. I'd say researchem has really good quality MENT.

 

[petefox]

Can you recommend a dose for Enanthate?

Depends on if you've used MENT prior, if not the sides may be too much or hard to manage. If used to MENT ace, go with 75mg per week and taper up as needed. I've used ace many times, usually part of my TRT so high doses to me are tolerable.

Adventurous types would go 150-300mg weekly MENT enanthate, test can be dosed low more for bioidentical E2.

 

[Batmanhimself]

Depends on if you've used MENT prior, if not the sides may be too much or hard to manage. If used to MENT ace, go with 75mg per week and taper up as needed. I've used ace many times, usually part of my TRT so high doses to me are tolerable.

Adventurous types would go 150-300mg weekly MENT enanthate, test can be dosed low more for bioidentical E2.

I have heard of 100 mg daily

 

[goodfella]

Depends on if you've used MENT prior, if not the sides may be too much or hard to manage. If used to MENT ace, go with 75mg per week and taper up as needed. I've used ace many times, usually part of my TRT so high doses to me are tolerable.

Adventurous types would go 150-300mg weekly MENT enanthate, test can be dosed low more for bioidentical E2.

I've ran Ace version quite a few times when it first came out. How would you compare the longer esters of it to ace? Is it overall the same effect or do longer esters hold some water/any bloat? Noticed price is up there on the longer esters of it, so a bit inbetween.

 

[Batmanhimself]

I've ran Ace version quite a few times when it first came out. How would you compare the longer esters of it to ace? Is it overall the same effect or do longer esters hold some water/any bloat? Noticed price is up there on the longer esters of it, so a bit inbetween.

Long esters provide more stable levels and are better in general deca and eq take too long though.

 

[petefox]

So you prefer it over the other sources? Have you tried any on here?

I've only tried a bulk supplier for 50mg/ml Trestolone.
Some UGLs sell it for way more than research sites do, so I tend to stay away from them.

 

[petefox]

I have heard of 100 mg daily

Damn, that's a ton! I'm a bit nutty, but that's just wrong. I'm sure whoever does this isn't managing E2 correctly or living off Arimidex/Letrozole/Aromasin causing other cascade downstream issues.