Need Medical info regarding use of the sterons!

[SwoleRN]

I had a Dr’s appt coming up where I knew he was going to do lab tests, including Free Testosterone. Appt was Wed (April 18th), and I planned ahead so last pin was on April 2nd. I’ve been cruising on 250 Test E a week and 250 Mast E a week since Jan.
Lab results came back today and Test was low at 149.9 ng/dl (as expected) and free test was 47 pg/ml, but I’m freaking the fuck out about the rest! My TSH, T4, and LH were all VERY low. Now my Dr wants to do an MRI on my Pituitary gland because he said the results are indicative of a tumor! Are these results that I should have expected? I haven’t been up front with my Dr yet about the use of the rons. But I am going to if it’s related… Thanks for your help guys.

edit - Sorry guys. I knew most of this stuff going into it, but when you get a message from your doc saying he thinks you may have a tumor, all reasoning goes out the window and I panicked. I knew it affected TSH, but wasn’t aware of the effects on LH. My prolactin was elevated as well (expected), and it makes sense that if your TSH is suppressed then T4 would be as well (since the Thyroid is no longer being stimulated to produce T4).

Component_______Your Value_______Standard Range
Prolactin--------16.1 ng/mL------2.5 - 19.0 ng/mL
TSH-------------1.96 uIU/mL-----0.60 - 5.40 uIU/mL
T4---------------5.6 ug/dL-------4.9 - 10.0 ug/dL
LH---------------<0.1 U/L--------1.7 - 8.6 U/L
TESTOSTERONE-----149.9 (L)-------250 - 836 ng/dL
Testostero, Free–40.6 (L)------47.0 - 244.0 pg/mL
Sex Hormone-Bin G-15.4 nmol/L—14.5 - 48.4 nmol/L

 

[Jeffg353]

Yes the roids will crash ur TSH, FSH, n LH, which is the whole point of a PCT…to get these levels back up, which in turn gets the body to resume producing natural test. T4 is a little out of my area of expertise but I’d imagine it’s somehow tied into that whole feedback loop.

When’s ur MRI scheduled? U can run a PCT to get these levels back up n try going with some bullshit about this test being just one of those fluke test results.

If u don’t mind sharing…Y is ur doctor checking ur levels to begin with?

 

[DNPstoney]

Jeff is already on it, but being on Test is going to result in a bunch of skewed blood tests. It is the reason people recommend SARMS before getting a hormone panel from your doctor; to suppress your Test levels without creating a slew of other problems.

Was Test/Mast all you were on? I know progestinic compounds can sometime suppress the thyroid, which would explain the TSH and T4 being low.

The whole point of PCT is to get your hormones back into range. This can take 8-10 weeks (or longer) after you stop taking Test.

 

[system]

Man you’re the RN we should be asking YOU these questions lol

 

[Rcd3t]

Not exactly sure why your T4 would be low with just cruising on test and mast. Maybe this is something you should consider as a concern and continue with scheduled MRI. It is in my experience they if they think you are on something they will ask. I had 3 2-3 night stays in the hospital last year and was asked immediately ask in triage and asked throughout my stay and my bloodwork showed it. Chances are he already knows or will know regardless of what you tell him or not.

Is this testing being done by the hospital/doctor office that employees you? If so you know you can go into the system and read and review any and all your results/doctor notes/consults, etc. Don’t ask me how I know this.

Imo get the test done. I really don’t know why your T4 level wouldn’t be in range with crusing on those compounds. If you don’t mind sharing, what was it?

 

[Brochacho_Prime]

Rcd3t" pid='8889' dateline='1524270297:

Is this testing being done by the hospital/doctor office that employees you? If so you know you can go into the system and read and review any and all your results/doctor notes/consults, etc. Don’t ask me how I know this.

Yeah, no, that isn’t allowed and is a good way to get fired. 100 percent of the hospitals I have done work with that have EMR systems will alert management the second you look yourself up, because HIPAA.
Your hospital should have a way you can signup through a web portal to view your stuff, however some dr notes don’t make it in there.

Are you in the US I assume?

Source: Am hospital IT for a major health system

 

[Rcd3t]

Brochacho_Prime" pid='8961' dateline='1524315475:

Rcd3t" pid='8889' dateline='1524270297:

Is this testing being done by the hospital/doctor office that employees you? If so you know you can go into the system and read and review any and all your results/doctor notes/consults, etc. Don’t ask me how I know this.

Yeah, no, that isn’t allowed and is a good way to get fired. 100 percent of the hospitals I have done work with that have EMR systems will alert management the second you look yourself up, because HIPAA.
Your hospital should have a way you can signup through a web portal to view your stuff, however some dr notes don’t make it in there.

Are you in the US I assume?

Source: Am hospital IT for a major health system

Am in the US. I’m not going to give my job details but let’s just say I’m the guy that gets paid to ethically exploit all your software and get past any intrusions systems. Our clients are nearly all the major healthcare systems. No offense or anything but the majority of IT people that work in the healthcare are kinda misinformed. Dr notes are never reported in the portals. They are only reported in EMR or EHR. I could go on and on. But I’ll leave you with this. 99 percent of EMR systems are not configured to “alert management”. It’ll just be logged.

 

[TakedaFifth]

Quitting 2 weeks before your appointment is not sufficient. You might get away with it if you knew how you process T and he only tested totalT/maybe free, but any more in depth investigation is going to show your LH and FSH will still be crashed because you are shut down. You shouldn’t be fucking with roids if you didn’t know your LH was going to be 0. That is Steroid 101 type shit. Go read up on HPTA axis. It does not explain your TSH or T4. Low TSH is usually a good thing to a point. Is it low or low in the range?
What were those before you started taking roids? You did get baseline bloodwork before shooting juice into your body right? Go to reddit /steroids and or /testosterone and post your bloodwork. Maybe post it here too but I don’t usually see much discussion about this stuff here.

 

[Wouldyalookatit]

ryantheco" pid='8872' dateline='1524267740:

Jeff is already on it, but being on Test is going to result in a bunch of skewed blood tests. It is the reason people recommend SARMS before getting a hormone panel from your doctor; to suppress your Test levels without creating a slew of other problems.

Was Test/Mast all you were on? I know progestinic compounds can sometime suppress the thyroid, which would explain the TSH and T4 being low.

The whole point of PCT is to get your hormones back into range. This can take 8-10 weeks (or longer) after you stop taking Test.

Sarms shut you down as well. So they would not help his TSH AND LH. HCG, HMG, and Triptorelin are the only things which can give an almost instant boost to those numbers. Especially HMG. But Sarms like Ostarine, LGD, and a couple others indeed shut you down.

 

[DNPstoney]

Wouldyalookatit" pid='8974' dateline='1524321936:

ryantheco" pid='8872' dateline='1524267740:

Jeff is already on it, but being on Test is going to result in a bunch of skewed blood tests. It is the reason people recommend SARMS before getting a hormone panel from your doctor; to suppress your Test levels without creating a slew of other problems.

Was Test/Mast all you were on? I know progestinic compounds can sometime suppress the thyroid, which would explain the TSH and T4 being low.

The whole point of PCT is to get your hormones back into range. This can take 8-10 weeks (or longer) after you stop taking Test.

Sarms shut you down as well. So they would not help his TSH AND LH. HCG, HMG, and Triptorelin are the only things which can give an almost instant boost to those numbers. Especially HMG. But Sarms like Ostarine, LGD, and a couple others indeed shut you down.

Really? I heard that LGD-4033 doesn’t affect your FSH/LH but lower your Test levels, so you can use it to artificially suppress your levels to get put on TRT.

I’ll have to do some more research as that was my plan for getting on TRT eventually.

 

[SwoleRN]

Jeffg353" pid='8836' dateline='1524257954:

Yes the roids will crash ur TSH, FSH, n LH, which is the whole point of a PCT…to get these levels back up, which in turn gets the body to resume producing natural test. T4 is a little out of my area of expertise but I’d imagine it’s somehow tied into that whole feedback loop.

When’s ur MRI scheduled? U can run a PCT to get these levels back up n try going with some bullshit about this test being just one of those fluke test results.

If u don’t mind sharing…Y is ur doctor checking ur levels to begin with?

Thanks for bringing me back to ground level. That is all stuff I knew before starting, but it’s literally been years since I thought about it, so I was panicking and not thinking clearly. MRI is scheduled for Monday, and since I’m already maxed out on my deductible for this year I’m just going to continue with it. Doc (endocrinologist) is checking because I’ve been playing it up for the last 6 months that I’ve been lethargic and I think my test is low so that I can get put on TRT (to appease my wife).

Was Test/Mast all you were on? I know progestinic compounds can sometime suppress the thyroid, which would explain the TSH and T4 being low.

I was blasting through most of last Spring/Summer. I was running Tren/Mast/Test/Var, then cut down to a cruise on Tren/Test through Dec. I stopped everything Jan 1st and ran PCT with Nolva/HCG because my appt was initially slated for end of Jan. The appt got moved to April and I didn’t want to wait (stupid, I know), so started back up on Test/Mast until two weeks before my appt. The thing was, I just thought he was going to do test only, so I wasn’t thinking about anything else. Then he came back with all the other stuff.
texasmass" pid='8879' dateline='1524269103:

Man you’re the RN we should be asking YOU these questions lol

lol, I DO know this stuff. I just panicked because it’s been a few years since I’ve had to think about any of it.
Rcd3t" pid='8889' dateline='1524270297:

Is this testing being done by the hospital/doctor office that employees you? If so you know you can go into the system and read and review any and all your results/doctor notes/consults, etc. Don’t ask me how I know this.

Imo get the test done. I really don’t know why your T4 level wouldn’t be in range with crusing on those compounds. If you don’t mind sharing, what was it?

It is being done by the hospital I work in, but due to HIPAA they cant divulge anything to my employer. It is still a violation of HIPAA law to look up your own info, though they would not know if I did unless they specifically looked for employees looking up their own records. Since I’m maxed out on my deductible I’m going to go through with the MRI (you never know). If my Doc suspects the rons I’ll let him call me out on it. Bloodwork is posted in OP.

Rcd3t" pid='8889' dateline='1524270297:

Yeah, no, that isn’t allowed and is a good way to get fired. 100 percent of the hospitals I have done work with that have EMR systems will alert management the second you look yourself up, because HIPAA.
Your hospital should have a way you can signup through a web portal to view your stuff, however some dr notes don’t make it in there.

Are you in the US I assume?

Source: Am hospital IT for a major health system

EMR does not “flag” it, but it is logged, so if they wanted they could dig and see if I have checked. Yes, I am in the US.
TakedaFifth" pid='8970' dateline='1524321231:

Quitting 2 weeks before your appointment is not sufficient. You might get away with it if you knew how you process T and he only tested totalT/maybe free, but any more in depth investigation is going to show your LH and FSH will still be crashed because you are shut down. You shouldn’t be fucking with roids if you didn’t know your LH was going to be 0. That is Steroid 101 type shit. Go read up on HPTA axis. It does not explain your TSH or T4. Low TSH is usually a good thing to a point. Is it low or low in the range?
What were those before you started taking roids? You did get baseline bloodwork before shooting juice into your body right? Go to reddit /steroids and or /testosterone and post your bloodwork. Maybe post it here too but I don’t usually see much discussion about this stuff here.

I knew all this “steroids 101” type shit when I started years ago, but I’m 43 and it’s been years since I even thought about any of it, so I just panicked. I did have bloods done before I started, but again it was years ago and I’ve only been off for a few months at a time. I ran PCT in January, but my appt got moved and I got tired of waiting. I was only expecting him to check Test, so I wasn’t too worried about it.

 

[TakedaFifth]

You don’t have TSH or T4 problems. Your LH and FSH is exactly what it should be on roids. At some point your doctor is going to raise an eyebrow and ask about roids or T booster supplements, especially is you have some muscle on you which I assume you do considering how long you have been on. MRI is a waste of time.

 

[DNPstoney]

Jeffg353" pid='8836' dateline='1524257954:

Yes the roids will crash ur TSH, FSH, n LH, which is the whole point of a PCT…to get these levels back up, which in turn gets the body to resume producing natural test. T4 is a little out of my area of expertise but I’d imagine it’s somehow tied into that whole feedback loop.

When’s ur MRI scheduled? U can run a PCT to get these levels back up n try going with some bullshit about this test being just one of those fluke test results.

If u don’t mind sharing…Y is ur doctor checking ur levels to begin with?

Thanks for bringing me back to ground level. That is all stuff I knew before starting, but it’s literally been years since I thought about it, so I was panicking and not thinking clearly. MRI is scheduled for Monday, and since I’m already maxed out on my deductible for this year I’m just going to continue with it. Doc (endocrinologist) is checking because I’ve been playing it up for the last 6 months that I’ve been lethargic and I think my test is low so that I can get put on TRT (to appease my wife).

Was Test/Mast all you were on? I know progestinic compounds can sometime suppress the thyroid, which would explain the TSH and T4 being low.

I was blasting through most of last Spring/Summer. I was running Tren/Mast/Test/Var, then cut down to a cruise on Tren/Test through Dec. I stopped everything Jan 1st and ran PCT with Nolva/HCG because my appt was initially slated for end of Jan. The appt got moved to April and I didn’t want to wait (stupid, I know), so started back up on Test/Mast until two weeks before my appt. The thing was, I just thought he was going to do test only, so I wasn’t thinking about anything else. Then he came back with all the other stuff.
texasmass" pid='8879' dateline='1524269103:

Man you’re the RN we should be asking YOU these questions lol

lol, I DO know this stuff. I just panicked because it’s been a few years since I’ve had to think about any of it.
Rcd3t" pid='8889' dateline='1524270297:

Is this testing being done by the hospital/doctor office that employees you? If so you know you can go into the system and read and review any and all your results/doctor notes/consults, etc. Don’t ask me how I know this.

Imo get the test done. I really don’t know why your T4 level wouldn’t be in range with crusing on those compounds. If you don’t mind sharing, what was it?

It is being done by the hospital I work in, but due to HIPAA they cant divulge anything to my employer. It is still a violation of HIPAA law to look up your own info, though they would not know if I did unless they specifically looked for employees looking up their own records. Since I’m maxed out on my deductible I’m going to go through with the MRI (you never know). If my Doc suspects the rons I’ll let him call me out on it. Bloodwork is posted in OP.
Brochacho_Prime" pid='8961' dateline='1524315475:

Rcd3t" pid='8889' dateline='1524270297:

Yeah, no, that isn’t allowed and is a good way to get fired. 100 percent of the hospitals I have done work with that have EMR systems will alert management the second you look yourself up, because HIPAA.
Your hospital should have a way you can signup through a web portal to view your stuff, however some dr notes don’t make it in there.

Are you in the US I assume?

Source: Am hospital IT for a major health system

EMR does not “flag” it, but it is logged, so if they wanted they could dig and see if I have checked. Yes, I am in the US.
TakedaFifth" pid='8970' dateline='1524321231:

Quitting 2 weeks before your appointment is not sufficient. You might get away with it if you knew how you process T and he only tested totalT/maybe free, but any more in depth investigation is going to show your LH and FSH will still be crashed because you are shut down. You shouldn’t be fucking with roids if you didn’t know your LH was going to be 0. That is Steroid 101 type shit. Go read up on HPTA axis. It does not explain your TSH or T4. Low TSH is usually a good thing to a point. Is it low or low in the range?
What were those before you started taking roids? You did get baseline bloodwork before shooting juice into your body right? Go to reddit /steroids and or /testosterone and post your bloodwork. Maybe post it here too but I don’t usually see much discussion about this stuff here.

I knew all this “steroids 101” type shit when I started years ago, but I’m 43 and it’s been years since I even thought about any of it, so I just panicked. I did have bloods done before I started, but again it was years ago and I’ve only been off for a few months at a time. I ran PCT in January, but my appt got moved and I got tired of waiting. I was only expecting him to check Test, so I wasn’t too worried about it.

Based on your bloodwork, everything is in range except your Test and LH, which are going to be suppressed for longer than 2 weeks after your cycle.

Unless you have previous T4/TSH to compare it to, I think your levels are fine. We have similar values, and I am a 24 year old lol. But if you doctor wants you to have an MRI done, and your deductible is already maxed out, then why not?

 

[SwoleRN]

TakedaFifth" pid='8999' dateline='1524333337:

You don’t have TSH or T4 problems. Your LH and FSH is exactly what it should be on roids. At some point your doctor is going to raise an eyebrow and ask about roids or T booster supplements, especially is you have some muscle on you which I assume you do considering how long you have been on. MRI is a waste of time.

I realize that now that I’ve had time to calm down and process. I agree the MRI is a waste of time, but it costs me nothing. Doc already knows I “was” on TRT before but I told him it was through the VA and it was stopped in December. They are requesting records from the VA but I know from experience it is incredibly hard to get accurate records from the VA and the docs usually try once or twice and give up and move on.
ryantheco" pid='9000' dateline='1524333404:

Based on your bloodwork, everything is in range except your Test and LH, which are going to be suppressed for longer than 2 weeks after your cycle.

Unless you have previous T4/TSH to compare it to, I think your levels are fine. We have similar values, and I am a 24 year old lol. But if you doctor wants you to have an MRI done, and your deductible is already maxed out, then why not?

I agree, it won’t cost me anything, and it will get me one step closer to a script which was my goal in the first place (my wife doesn’t like me buying UGL because she says I’m putting my license on the line, and technically she’s right)

 

[Rcd3t]

I’m glad you’re going and thank you for proving my point to brochacho.