Need Opinions on very light TRT Style Cycle for a Fat Boy

[FatCat333]

Let myself go for 2 years, gained 50lbs of pure fat.

I enjoyed working out, used a tad bit of gear, saw the results, enjoyed it, never went crazy, always kept it light.

I am probably 35% body fat, been eating clean, around 1900 calories with 160-200 grams protein per day. Fat is disappearing smoothly as expected, but recovery and strength in the gym is hurting from caloric deficit.

My idea, 250mg of test Cyp / week, 25 mg of winstrol, 6-8 weeks while maintaining caloric deficit.

Ive seen people say winny is useless if you are fat, and i dont want to waste my time, money, liver

 

[-WG-]

How much do you weigh? You are 35% and your calories are already down to 1900?

No need for winstrol. Run test, and if you want to add in anything else, just add something relatively benign like masteron or primo..

 

[FatCat333]

How much do you weigh? You are 35% and your calories are already down to 1900?

No need for winstrol. Run test, and if you want to add in anything else, just add something relatively benign like masteron or primo..

Im weighing around 215 currently, and was at 225. I've never been a skinny guy by no means but at 170lbs 5'10.5" I looked & felt good.
I have the leg genetics of a chicken, and my body stores no fat anywhere besides my love handles and midsection,

Usually would bounce between 168-178. But I got an office job, moved cross country twice, got married, and got depressed. The whole cortisol stack lmfao


Do you think the light dose of test cyp, would be beneficial in allowing me to lift hard more often without the insane recovery times and reduce muscle withering while I slowly diet down to 180?

 

[The_Rain_Maker]

Im weighing around 215 currently, and was at 225. I've never been a skinny guy by no means but at 170lbs 5'10.5" I looked & felt good.
I have the leg genetics of a chicken, and my body stores no fat anywhere besides my love handles and midsection,

Usually would bounce between 168-178. But I got an office job, moved cross country twice, got married, and got depressed. The whole cortisol stack lmfao


Do you think the light dose of test cyp, would be beneficial in allowing me to lift hard more often without the insane recovery times and reduce muscle withering while I slowly diet down to 180?

You shouldn't run any gear at all right now. You need to keep doing what you are doing and that is focusing on losing weight. If you are 35% body fat then you have a fuck ton of weight to lose.

Ideally, cycles should be ran when you are at a lean body weight and you can bulk if you feel like you want to put on size.

To answer your question 250mg of Test would be a waste because you don't have any muscle to preserve because you are fat. Keep cutting down until you are lean and then start a cycle. That cycle should be just test.

 

[FatCat333]

You shouldn't run any gear at all right now. You need to keep doing what you are doing and that is focusing on losing weight. If you are 35% body fat then you have a fuck ton of weight to lose.

Ideally, cycles should be ran when you are at a lean body weight and you can bulk if you feel like you want to put on size.

To answer your question 250mg of Test would be a waste because you don't have any muscle to preserve because you are fat. Keep cutting down until you are lean and then start a cycle. That cycle should be just test.

Yes sir.

Do you really see no benefit for metabolism, recovery, or mentality boost a small dose would induce during a slow cut?

 

[psauce]

I really disagree with that advice.

If you get on a TRT-sized dose, you'll address the chronic soreness you mentioned as well as skew weight loss to adipose rather than lean tissue. You are also fighting an uphill battle with your bodyfat because of decreased insulin resistance and obesity-induced aromatisation. These are extremely well documented effects.

However, if you do more than a TRT-sized dose, or add to it, you'll be wasting your money and maybe sabotaging your efforts. Your bodyfat will aromatize any extra test you throw at it, and you'll end up fucking with your biochemistry to get essentially no benefit from whatever else you stack.

I'd try 175-200 mg, give it a couple weeks, and check your bloodwork. High normal is what you want right now. It also has the benefit of being a life-long sustainable dosage, so you wouldn't need to hop on and off cycles. It will also be relatively easy to PCT if you decide you got what you wanted after those 8 weights. Just something to consider.

 

[FatCat333]

I really disagree with that advice.

If you get on a TRT-sized dose, you'll address the chronic soreness you mentioned as well as skew weight loss to adipose rather than lean tissue. You are also fighting an uphill battle with your bodyfat because of decreased insulin resistance and obesity-induced aromatisation. These are extremely well documented effects.

However, if you do more than a TRT-sized dose, or add to it, you'll be wasting your money and maybe sabotaging your efforts. Your bodyfat will aromatize any extra test you throw at it, and you'll end up fucking with your biochemistry to get essentially no benefit from whatever else you stack.

I'd try 175-200 mg, give it a couple weeks, and check your bloodwork. High normal is what you want right now. It also has the benefit of being a life-long sustainable dosage, so you wouldn't need to hop on and off cycles. It will also be relatively easy to PCT if you decide you got what you wanted after those 8 weights. Just something to consider.

I liked this, I appreciate the long reply, and I agree.

 

[-WG-]

I really disagree with that advice.

If you get on a TRT-sized dose, you'll address the chronic soreness you mentioned as well as skew weight loss to adipose rather than lean tissue. You are also fighting an uphill battle with your bodyfat because of decreased insulin resistance and obesity-induced aromatisation. These are extremely well documented effects.

However, if you do more than a TRT-sized dose, or add to it, you'll be wasting your money and maybe sabotaging your efforts. Your bodyfat will aromatize any extra test you throw at it, and you'll end up fucking with your biochemistry to get essentially no benefit from whatever else you stack.

I'd try 175-200 mg, give it a couple weeks, and check your bloodwork. High normal is what you want right now. It also has the benefit of being a life-long sustainable dosage, so you wouldn't need to hop on and off cycles. It will also be relatively easy to PCT if you decide you got what you wanted after those 8 weights. Just something to consider.

I like this approach. How old are you OP? Are you good with being on TRT for life if it comes to that?

Additionally like I mentioned above, you can always add in some primo or mast down the road if you want. This would be preferable to more test IMO. But I would just keep plugging away with diet, training, etc for now.

 

[FatCat333]

Im 27, so no-go on TRT for life, I just have trained enhanced before and know that some Test would help my metabolism and prevent muscle loss, while most importantly increase the quality of workouts & mentality. You can’t not go to the gym and hit it hard when you are on gear lol

More than likely im 25% body fat. But regardless, im fat as fuck.

 

[Azrael]

Do you know what your Total Test, SHBG, and free Test are? Might be worth getting bloods prior to jumping on especially considering the fact that you plan to PCT at some point.

 

[The_Rain_Maker]

Yes sir.

Do you really see no benefit for metabolism, recovery, or mentality boost a small dose would induce during a slow cut?

No I don't see any benefits at all. I totally disagree with anyone who is telling you to jump on gear just to lose weight.

Now with that said, you should get blood work and if you're test levels are low then true trt is fine. Not just taking 170-200mg of Test because it sounds good.

You don't need gear to lose weight and feel good.

 

[FatCat333]

No I don't see any benefits at all. I totally disagree with anyone who is telling you to jump on gear just to lose weight.

Now with that said, you should get blood work and if you're test levels are low then true trt is fine. Not just taking 170-200mg of Test because it sounds good.

You don't need gear to lose weight and feel good.

You are right, using gear to lose weight is idiotic and pointless. But using gear in small doses to aid metabolism, recovery, and efficiency of lipolysis by increasing lipolytic beta-adrenergic receptors, is not a bad idea.

It will be a fun experiment to try and see & at 250mg a week for someone who has some experience with gear, it isn't a crazy plan. but def will not take the winny.

 

[The_Rain_Maker]

You are right, using gear to lose weight is idiotic and pointless. But using gear in small doses to aid metabolism, recovery, and efficiency of lipolysis by increasing lipolytic beta-adrenergic receptors, is not a bad idea.

It will be a fun experiment to try and see & at 250mg a week for someone who has some experience with gear, it isn't a crazy plan. but def will not take the winny.

I'll say it again to lose weight you don't need any gear at all. But you made your mind up to use some so have at it.

 

[FatCat333]

But in this instance, it is to not "lose weight", it is to aid in the process of clean eating and working out to decrease fat and increase muscle.

You may be right, it might cause nothing but gyno. Not a lot of data to make either side concrete.

 

[-WG-]

I'll say it again to lose weight you don't need any gear at all. But you made your mind up to use some so have at it.

I think you are kind of conflating two things here. I don't think anyone is saying he "needs gear to lose weight". Same as most people on this forum don't "need gear" to just look decent for an average joe, not making a living off their physique. Virtually NO ONE exhausts their natural potential before moving to gear. Just the way it is.

Really goal should be to let people make their own decisions in that regard, and provide a safe path forward. This is a 27 YO man, with past AAS history, not a 15 year old kid that needs dissuading.

That said, OP with your seeming reservation to lifelong TRT, I would say, best to avoid AAS at this point. Maybe you recover fine, but maybe you don't. There is always that chance, and it tends to go up with age, and successive exposure. If you are not willing to entertain the idea of committing to TRT, then why would you risk that potential outcome? Doesn't make sense.

 

[The_Rain_Maker]

I think you are kind of conflating two things here. I don't think anyone is saying he "needs gear to lose weight". Same as most people on this forum don't "need gear" to just look decent for an average joe, not making a living off their physique. Virtually NO ONE exhausts their natural potential before moving to gear. Just the way it is.

Really goal should be to let people make their own decisions in that regard, and provide a safe path forward. This is a 27 YO man, with past AAS history, not a 15 year old kid that needs dissuading.

That said, OP with your seeming reservation to lifelong TRT, I would say, best to avoid AAS at this point. Maybe you recover fine, but maybe you don't. There is always that chance, and it tends to go up with age, and successive exposure. If you are not willing to entertain the idea of committing to TRT, then why would you risk that potential outcome? Doesn't make sense.

I don't think I'm conflating anything here, I was just giving my opinion based on what HE is looking to accomplish. But I do think we are on the page and are saying the same thing that it would be best if he held off from taking gear right now.

I understand he's a 27 year old man and he can do and is going to do what he wants as he should. But he also came here looking for advice. That's what I was trying to give him. Just because he has pass gear use means nothing. I've met plenty of people who use gear that don't know much of anything and look like shit.

Again it looks like he's made his mind as to what he wants to do and I hope it works out for him.

 

[The_Mandalorian]

But in this instance, it is to not "lose weight", it is to aid in the process of clean eating and working out to decrease fat and increase muscle.

You may be right, it might cause nothing but gyno. Not a lot of data to make either side concrete.

Do whatever you want as long as you know the risks and try to be safe. I also heard all the "get lean before you use even 1 gram of gear or else it's not effective" when I started. It's all bullshit.

I don't know if these people were just never fat as fuck and depressed, or just zealots that believe they did it the hard way so everyone else has to. There are so many other benefits not-related to muscle building that higher testosterone gives you that help supercharge you towards your goal. Motivation, Energy, Recovery Power, and Confidence to name just a few. That brain is the heaviest fucking weight you're ever going to move, so any assistance you can get will pay off exponentially.

Are you going to aromatize more? 100%. Get yourself a bloodtest 3 weeks in and have Aromasin on hand. Your blood pressure going to go up? Yep, you're fat. 81mg of Aspirin a day will help mitigate it along with drinking 3 Liters of water. Is this good to do long-term? Nope. But if you're hitting the gym like you're suppose to, and counting those calories I give it about a month before you're in the High 20%s and you probably won't need the Aspirin anymore. Just keep pounding the water and walk 30 min/day.

I know this is a Bodybuilding Forum, but people tend to forget Powerlifters regularly hold 35%+ bodyfat doing 10 times the amount of gear you're planning for years on end. You're not going to instantly keel over, or do any permanent damage in 6-8 weeks while on a steady bodyfat DECLINE. Gyno doesn't happen overnight there are plenty of warning signs, and an as needed dose of Aromasin works pretty damn fast to erase all those.

 

[Gullinbursti]

Yes sir.

Do you really see no benefit for metabolism, recovery, or mentality boost a small dose would induce during a slow cut?

I personally think a "high" trt dose could be beneficial for you. You should get some blood work done and see where your levels are at currently. But I do think it could help. I wouldn't include anything other than test. You went from skinny to fat of you're actually 35%. The good news for you is as you cut down you can absolutely build some muscle in a deficit because of the amount of fat you're carrying. Even on 150mg test I think it could slightly accelerate things. Keep at it and a year from now you can be unrecognizable in a good way

 

[Dookierich]

Just run 200-300mg of test you’ll gain muscle and drop fat. I would be weary of doing much else being that high in fat. Plus you can keep working on being on point with diet and training. You’ll get there.