New to gear , Im about to start my first cycle

[Siewert01]

Im new to gear , about to start my first cycle , Im gonna be on Test C 250mgx2/week for a maximum lenght of 20 weeks , Arimidex 1mg if needed , Nolvadex 10mg for PCT for 6-8 weeks
I woulve liked to run 250IU of HCG EOD for the entire lenght of my cycle , right now theyre out of stock , but im gonna buy some as soon as its available.

Ive come to the descision that id go simple for a first cycle , depending how it goes this is only the first of many , but im taking things slow right now.

I will probably become much more active here and plan on contributing with bloodwork and analytic test.

If anyone has comment or suggestion that would be appreciated concerning this cycle or what cycle I should run as my next one , I am 27m 5'9 190 pounds , been training for 2 years uninterrupted , 4 years total

Looking for bulking , I dont care much about lean muscle , I just want to get bigger.

Thank you

 

[T&H]

Im new to gear , about to start my first cycle , Im gonna be on Test C 250mgx2/week for a maximum lenght of 20 weeks , Arimidex 1mg if needed , Nolvadex 10mg for PCT for 6-8 weeks
I woulve liked to run 250IU of HCG EOD for the entire lenght of my cycle , right now theyre out of stock , but im gonna buy some as soon as its available.

Ive come to the descision that id go simple for a first cycle , depending how it goes this is only the first of many , but im taking things slow right now.

I will probably become much more active here and plan on contributing with bloodwork and analytic test.

If anyone has comment or suggestion that would be appreciated concerning this cycle or what cycle I should run as my next one , I am 27m 5'9 190 pounds , been training for 2 years uninterrupted , 4 years total

Looking for bulking , I dont care much about lean muscle , I just want to get bigger.

Thank you

Might want to increase nolva, or add low dose clomid too. I've never pcted but some guys do both, or go at least 20mg nolva.

Anyway, cycle sounds good. 500 test is a great first cycle. Make sure training and diet is on point to maximize gain.

 

[Cptchunk14]

Hey welcome, also new here. There’s some really good sources in domestic, I use Syn, he has pharma grade HCG that I just ordered. My cycle is very similar except I’m staying at 200 mg a week and adding in Var, also running HCG length of cycle, then 40mg Nolvadex for first 2 weeks of PCT then lowering to 20mg for remainder.

 

[Juicenotrage]

Im new to gear , about to start my first cycle , Im gonna be on Test C 250mgx2/week for a maximum lenght of 20 weeks , Arimidex 1mg if needed , Nolvadex 10mg for PCT for 6-8 weeks
I woulve liked to run 250IU of HCG EOD for the entire lenght of my cycle , right now theyre out of stock , but im gonna buy some as soon as its available.

Ive come to the descision that id go simple for a first cycle , depending how it goes this is only the first of many , but im taking things slow right now.

I will probably become much more active here and plan on contributing with bloodwork and analytic test.

If anyone has comment or suggestion that would be appreciated concerning this cycle or what cycle I should run as my next one , I am 27m 5'9 190 pounds , been training for 2 years uninterrupted , 4 years total

Looking for bulking , I dont care much about lean muscle , I just want to get bigger.

Thank you

Don’t forget to get bloods drawn before cycle and couple weeks in. If you’re after adding muscle a full mg of armidex every day could be just a touch on the rich side. Especially for only 500mg a week of test. Begin with half mg alternating days. Unless your very sensitive to estrogen conversion you may not even need that much. Get bloods drawn 3 weeks in. Check your estrogen. Crushing your estrogen to much will absolutely slow down muscle gains. On such a long cycle you could even go to 600mg a week and still be on moderate side. However only bump to 600mg once your gains are halted. And they will slow down and halt eventually on such a long cycle.

Even play with and manipulate your calories. When gains slow or halt you can bump up protein and calories to get the muscle building factory moving again. Once gains slow down again then bump up the testosterone this time. You can even move from volume training to Mentzer principles heavy duty training and put emphasis on xtra rest and recovery time to get the muscle factory producing like it did at the beginning of your cycle again. You have countless options on such longer cycle to shock your body and keep the gains moving again. Go conservative on the armidex unless estrogen becomes a problem in any way like excess water or puffy nipples. Keep nolvadex and aromasin on hand in the event you go to conservative with your armidex and you are ultra sensitive to Estrogen conversion. But if you are trying to maximize muscle you don’t want to totally crush estrogen. Don’t forget to take pics every week. Then record your lifts and strength gains, food intake, and compare your test and estrogen levels with your strength gains and weekly pics. You will be able to see results at onset of your cycle, when gains slowed, and how effective bumping up calories and testosterone dosages were at jump starting your muscle gains again. If estrogen isn’t a problem you will be able to track if lowering armidex was helpful. From there on out you won’t have to guess what to do on your next cycles. You will know how your body reacts to bumping calories, testosterone and training techniques. Good luck and enjoy your cycle

 

[Siewert01]

Don’t forget to get bloods drawn before cycle and couple weeks in. If you’re after adding muscle a full mg of armidex every day could be just a touch on the rich side. Especially for only 500mg a week of test. Begin with half mg alternating days. Unless your very sensitive to estrogen conversion you may not even need that much. Get bloods drawn 3 weeks in. Check your estrogen. Crushing your estrogen to much will absolutely slow down muscle gains. On such a long cycle you could even go to 600mg a week and still be on moderate side. However only bump to 600mg once your gains are halted. And they will slow down and halt eventually on such a long cycle.

Even play with and manipulate your calories. When gains slow or halt you can bump up protein and calories to get the muscle building factory moving again. Once gains slow down again then bump up the testosterone this time. You can even move from volume training to Mentzer principles heavy duty training and put emphasis on xtra rest and recovery time to get the muscle factory producing like it did at the beginning of your cycle again. You have countless options on such longer cycle to shock your body and keep the gains moving again. Go conservative on the armidex unless estrogen becomes a problem in any way like excess water or puffy nipples. Keep nolvadex and aromasin on hand in the event you go to conservative with your armidex and you are ultra sensitive to Estrogen conversion. But if you are trying to maximize muscle you don’t want to totally crush estrogen. Don’t forget to take pics every week. Then record your lifts and strength gains, food intake, and compare your test and estrogen levels with your strength gains and weekly pics. You will be able to see results at onset of your cycle, when gains slowed, and how effective bumping up calories and testosterone dosages were at jump starting your muscle gains again. If estrogen isn’t a problem you will be able to track if lowering armidex was helpful. From there on out you won’t have to guess what to do on your next cycles. You will know how your body reacts to bumping calories, testosterone and training techniques. Good luck and enjoy your cycle

Thanks for the advice , I will be taking arimidex only when/if needed , bumping test sounds good but I was thinking maybe I could incorporate an oral steroid ? Im not sure ,what and if thatd be good.

Why both nolvadex and aromasin ? , I did order Novaldex for pct and arimidex for estrogen conversion

 

[Siewert01]

Hey welcome, also new here. There’s some really good sources in domestic, I use Syn, he has pharma grade HCG that I just ordered. My cycle is very similar except I’m staying at 200 mg a week and adding in Var, also running HCG length of cycle, then 40mg Nolvadex for first 2 weeks of PCT then lowering to 20mg for remainder.

40mg of nolvadex for the first 2 weeks ? I was think of taking 10mg a day as pct is that too low ?

 

[Siewert01]

Might want to increase nolva, or add low dose clomid too. I've never pcted but some guys do both, or go at least 20mg nolva.

Anyway, cycle sounds good. 500 test is a great first cycle. Make sure training and diet is on point to maximize gain.

Whats the advantage of doing both ? I will increase nolva intake , thatd be 20mg nolva ED ? or more ? someone else here will be taking 40 mg a day for the first 2 weeks of PCT
What would be the optimal PCT ?

 

[T&H]

Whats the advantage of doing both ? I will increase nolva intake , thatd be 20mg nolva ED ? or more ? someone else here will be taking 40 mg a day for the first 2 weeks of PCT
What would be the optimal PCT ?

Go to meso and research "PCT" for all the information you need. There's a Scally power pct thread aa well.

 

[Juicenotrage]

Thanks for the advice , I will be taking arimidex only when/if needed , bumping test sounds good but I was thinking maybe I could incorporate an oral steroid ? Im not sure ,what and if thatd be good.

Why both nolvadex and aromasin ? , I did order Novaldex for pct and arimidex for estrogen conversion

Hey how’s it going, I had really busy weekend. In the rare event you are hyper prone to estrogen conversion and super sensitive to its effects. Nolvadex and Aromasin can help immediately. Nolvadex will block estrogens effects at the receptor. Aromasin will not only inhibit any further estrogen conversion but it will reduce your estrogen levels. Having them both will give you some breathing room and piece of mind to max your gains knowing you can take care of any estrogen problems that should come your way. For example if water retention is worse than anticipated or any early gyno signs and trigger points. But on a conservative dose of test you should be ok with a very minimal amount of armidex like .25mg eod at most. You could even leave out the armidex like you considered. Especially if you do bloods and monitor your estrogen. You can leave out your Aromasin. And for a first blast I would put orals aside for the future.

No need to stack yet. At the very least wait until late cycle to introduce any orals to stack with your test. Wait until gains have stopped and you have exhausted your tricks to get gains moving again. Like if you upped your test upped your calories and gains are stagnant you could then consider introducing an oral like a small dose of Dbol. Research your Dbol source because in my experience I don’t care what anybody says. Not all 98%pure Dbol is the same. I just wanted to throw that out there. I have come across very little Dbol sourced from pharma sized underground brands or from the raws that work anywhere near as well as the old pink bow Tais and liquid revorfit b on a MG for MG comparison. I can count on one hand how many Dbol products or powders I have found that works anywhere near comparable to the pharma grade pills and vet gear revorfit from the early 2000’s. So research and ask for testimonial personal experiences with the Dbol source before you order. Be sure the gains can be attributed to the Dbol! Not the Tren and Test they stacked with it. Enjoy the journey of your cycle.

 

[Siewert01]

Alright so i just got the HCG , i thought it was a powder , is it normal its like a solid block ? it seems like it would crumble away but im shaking the vial and the block just moves up and down as a whole

 

[Juicenotrage]

Alright so i just got the HCG , i thought it was a powder , is it normal its like a solid block ? it seems like it would crumble away but im shaking the vial and the block just moves up and down as a whole

It will still dissolve just fine

 

[Juicenotrage]

Optimal w

Whats the advantage of doing both ? I will increase nolva intake , thatd be 20mg nolva ED ? or more ? someone else here will be taking 40 mg a day for the first 2 weeks of PCT
What would be the optimal PCT ?

Optimal would be 100mg a day but that’s very rare cases. Optimal for you would be 50 a day at most. Use HCG 3 weeks after your last shot. Use HCG for 2 weeks Then Nolva/Clomid preference. How you feel during pct will go a long way determining if you should consider cruising. I’m against cruising unless totally necessary. What your shooting isn’t as good as what your body makes. You should look into foods and supplements for optimal testosterone production. Begin eating and supplementing just before you start pct.
Cholesterol-DHEA-Andro-Test is the process your body makes Testosterone

 

[Astro95]

What you’re planning on doing is fine. Some of these guys make things sooo complicated with their advice. I like that you’re just keeping the adex on hand for when or if you need it. Get Clomid and nolvadex enough to run 50mgs of Clomid for 4 weeks and enough nolvadex to run 40mg 1st 2 weeks and 20mg daily last 2 weeks.

When you reconstitute the Hcg with bac water you’re supposed to swirl it between your hands not shake it, but eh you’ll be okay. Don’t worry about doing backflips and sending out smoke signals to keep your gains from “haulting” it’s your 1st cycle, they won’t unless your training improper or not eating enough. I assume you know how to train as you’ve been consistent last couple years, just dial in your macros and enjoy the gains. Goodluck.

 

[Deucalion]

why eod hcg? I am currently on a test cycle and have hcg on hand but was going to use it sparingly as to not desensitize my testicles to LH. More so rely on enclo and nolvadex to restart and run a week of HCG pct with all that?

 

[Siewert01]

Alright , I read on reddit that 10mg nolvadex was a good PCT then here I hear 40 mg nolva , nolva + clomid , 100 mg nolva , hcg + nolva , everybody has something different to say im so lost

 

[Siewert01]

why eod hcg? I am currently on a test cycle and have hcg on hand but was going to use it sparingly as to not desensitize my testicles to LH. More so rely on enclo and nolvadex to restart and run a week of HCG pct with all that?

To maintaint testicular function as best I can

 

[Siewert01]

Optimal w

Optimal would be 100mg a day but that’s very rare cases. Optimal for you would be 50 a day at most. Use HCG 3 weeks after your last shot. Use HCG for 2 weeks Then Nolva/Clomid preference. How you feel during pct will go a long way determining if you should consider cruising. I’m against cruising unless totally necessary. What your shooting isn’t as good as what your body makes. You should look into foods and supplements for optimal testosterone production. Begin eating and supplementing just before you start pct.
Cholesterol-DHEA-Andro-Test is the process your body makes Testosterone

50 mg nolva ED , thats it ? simple , I like it

 

[Deucalion]

To maintaint testicular function as best I can

Are testicles sentient lol? My impression is that they do what the hormones (LH) tell them to do which comes from the pituitary. So, running HCG will just make them work, it doesn't fix the problem we create by shutting down the pituitary gonadal axis?

I'm 100% not arguing just trying to understand better? Honestly, I am week 2 in and now worried I should be running a low dose HCG haha....

 

[Siewert01]

50 mg nolva ED , thats it ? simple , I like it

So I just read about blasting n cruising , I didnt actually know what it was , what I understood is you never come off of gear , instead you go from high to low dose , I think its interesting , of course natural testosterone should be better for own own good but what if you use HCG the whole time ? Shoulnt you maintain minimal natural testosterone production ? and if so it should be closely linked to how much HCG youre using ? its probably more complex then this.. i dont know.

 

[Siewert01]

Are testicles sentient lol? My impression is that they do what the hormones (LH) tell them to do which comes from the pituitary. So, running HCG will just make them work, it doesn't fix the problem we create by shutting down the pituitary gonadal axis?

I'm 100% not arguing just trying to understand better? Honestly, I am week 2 in and now worried I should be running a low dose HCG haha....

Im still learning aswell , I based my cycle off of other poeple experiences , advices and research I did on my own , I think 250IU EOD is a low dose , some poeple say theres no such thing as HCG desensitization in humans , some say there is but at a very high dose