Nolvadex confusing testing results

[MuscleMongoose]

Perhaps the vendors or even @Janoshik might have an answer for this as I couldn’t find it in any of my searches.

Pharma grade nolvadex for 20 mg usually comes out to 28-30 mg and the reasoning I found was because the citrate adds the extra weight and 28-30mg of tamoxifen citrate equals 20mg active tamoxifen

The same for Indian generic when nolvadex is tested. It’s around 28mg.

How come almost every ugl source if you look at their testing ( here and meso)

Their tamoxifen citrate 20mg is tested at 20 ish mg.

Does that mean that there’s only 10mg active tamoxifen in it?

Then I thought it was because they don’t use citrate or something but tamoxifen citrate is actual chemical name and that’s what’s on their testing so somethings not adding up here.

Does anyone know the answer to this.

 

[KillTheKing]

this one

 

[MuscleMongoose]

@Liska is also someone who probably knows the answer to this as it’s also on their website

Liska do you have answer to this.

 

[KillTheKing]

@Liska is also someone who probably knows the answer to this as it’s also on their website

Liska do you have answer to this.

I'm assuming since they are making it they can put more active ingredient and less filler in it. So 20mg is actually 20mg.

 

[MuscleMongoose]

I'm assuming since they are making it they can put more active ingredient and less filler in it. So 20mg is actually 20mg.

Yeah but if citrate is what gives it the extra weight then that doesn’t make sense because they aren’t taking citrate out because the chemical it self is called tamoxifen citrate

 

[MuscleMongoose]

@Liska homemade nolvadex is at 30mg for 20mg.

@BioPharmaUSA Biopharma homemade nolvadex is at 26mg for 20mg

@viper-flex homemade nolvadex is at 17mg for 20mg

@GoodLyfe homemade nolvadex is at 20 ish for 20mg but his indian ancillaries are at 28ish mg for nolvadex.

So it looks like the only true 20mg non pharma nolvdex (I just called it homemade for simplicity) are liskas on meso and bio pharmas.

The rest should be relabeled for 10mg ?

Very confusing. Does anyone know the answer to this??

 

[Deus Pharmaceuticals]

Many UGLs do not dose their products according to pharmaceutical product monographs. Best examples of this are Nolvadex (30mg Tamoxifen Citrate = 20mg Tamoxifen) and Viagra (71mg Sildenafil citrate = 50mg Sildenafil/Viagra).

@Liska doses his correctly, which is why you see pharmaceutical preparations of "Nolvadex 20" containing ~30mg Tamoxifen citrate.

This applies to a few other compounds, as well, including Toremifene and Raloxifene. I believe true Evista 60 is more like 65mg of Raloxifene Citrate, but I always lose track of the product monograph.

 

[MuscleMongoose]

Many UGLs do not dose their products according to pharmaceutical product monographs. Best examples of this are Nolvadex (30mg Tamoxifen Citrate = 20mg Tamoxifen) and Viagra (71mg Sildenafil citrate = 50mg Sildenafil/Viagra).

@Liska doses his correctly, which is why you see pharmaceutical preparations of "Nolvadex 20" containing ~30mg Tamoxifen citrate.

This applies to a few other compounds, as well, including Toremifene and Raloxifene. I believe true Evista 60 is more like 65mg of Raloxifene Citrate, but I always lose track of the product monograph.

Thank you for the response !

So it’s fair to say if you see ugl label claim of nolva 20mg tested at 20mg ish then it’s actually closer to 10 mg of tamoxifen not 20, correct ?

 

[KillTheKing]

Thank you for the response !

So it’s fair to say if you see ugl label claim of nolva 20mg tested at 20mg ish then it’s actually closer to 10 mg of tamoxifen not 20, correct ?

I think something is getting lost in translation. Vipers 20mg got tested and it's 17mg. I'm pretty sure that means it's 17mg. What ever the test result is is what it is ...I think. So when those pharma grade 30mg get tested at 20mg, you know they are 20. You might be overthinking it. I would go by what the test say the medicine tested at. If Test 250 comes back at 237mg, you know it's 237mg. If Nolva comes back at 17mg it's 17mg regardless what it's sold as. I think.

 

[MuscleMongoose]

I think something is getting lost in translation. Vipers 20mg got tested and it's 17mg. I'm pretty sure that means it's 17mg. What ever the test result is is what it is ...I think. So when those pharma grade 30mg get tested at 20mg, you know they are 20. You might be overthinking it. I would go by what the test say the medicine tested at. If Test 250 comes back at 237mg, you know it's 237mg. If Nolva comes back at 17mg it's 17mg regardless what it's sold as. I think.

@Liska Nolvadex isn’t pharmagrade. It’s cat cafe brand. Ugl. Dosed at 30mg for 20mg.which is correct.

The citrate adds weight so therefor 30mg is actually 20mg tamoxifen.

I don’t think anything is getting lost in translation

From my research and from what the other guy just posted. Ugl dosed tamoxifen should be around 28-30. Not 17-20

 

[KillTheKing]

Liskas Nolvadex isn’t pharmagrade. It’s cat cafe brand. Ugl. Dosed at 30mg for 20mg.

The citrate adds weight so therefor 30mg is actually 20mg tamoxifen.

I don’t think anything is getting lost in translation

From my research and from what the other guy just posted. Ugl dosed tamoxifen should be around 28-30. Not 17-20

But the test are testing for the actual active chemical I would think. So if a source sends in their "20mg" Nolva and the test says there's 17mg Nolva, well it's 17mg. So Liskas stuff says 30mg but it really comes back as 20mg. You can really only go by what the tests say.

 

[MuscleMongoose]

But the test are testing for the actual active chemical I would think. So if a source sends in their "20mg" Nolva and the test says there's 17mg Nolva, well it's 17mg. So Liskas stuff says 30mg but it really comes back as 20mg. You can really only go by what the tests say.

Dude. It’s called tamoxifen citrate. That’s the chemical name on all the tests.

Tamoxifen citrate….. the citrate adds weight. That’s why it’s tested at 28-30 for 20 mg actual tamoxifen.

Ugls aren’t chemically undoing citrate. They are testing it as tamoxifen citrate… just like liska and pharmagrade test at.

I think you’re confused on the concept

 

[KillTheKing]

Dude. It’s called tamoxifen citrate. That’s the chemical name on all the tests.

Tamoxifen citrate….. the citrate adds weight. That’s why it’s tested at 28-30 for 20 mg actual tamoxifen.

Ugls aren’t chemically undoing citrate. They are testing it as tamoxifen citrate… just like liska and pharmagrade test at.

I think you’re confused on the concept

I guess so because if I send in a "368mg Tamoxifen Citrate" to have it tested to see how much Tamoxifen Citrate is in it and it says 47mg I have to believe that's how much is in the regardless of what the label says. I don't know any other way to go about it.

 

[MuscleMongoose]

I guess so because if I send in a "368mg Tamoxifen Citrate" to have it tested to see how much Tamoxifen Citrate is in it and it says 47mg I have to believe that's how much is in the regardless of what the label says. I don't know any other way to go about it.

That’s the confusing part and it’s why I brought it up as a question.

The chemical is called tamoxifen citrate…. So if pharmagrade tamoxifen citrate 20mg is tested at 28-30 mg (which is a known fact that it is )and liska who is ugl tested at 30mg to take in consideration of the added citrate weight

Then i don’t see why every other ugl is selling 20mg tamoxifen citrate tested at 17-20mg It should be relabeled 10mg.

But it’s ugl they’ll do Anything to save money on their End. Even if it’s 10mg of tamoxifen citrate lol. And that’s why I have issues with ugl.

Now I could be completely wrong. But with the fact that liska who is ugl and uses the same fucking raws as every other ugl vendor it leads me to believe this theory is correct.

It’s not like ugl is getting a different chemical.

It’s the same tamoxifen citrate.

 

[KillTheKing]

That’s the confusing part and it’s why I brought it up as a question.

The chemical is called tamoxifen citrate…. So if pharmagrade tamoxifen citrate 20mg is tested at 28-30 mg (which is a known fact that it is )and liska who is ugl tested at 30mg to take in consideration of the added citrate weight

Then i don’t see why every other ugl is selling 20mg tamoxifen citrate tested at 17-20mg It should be relabeled 10mg.

But it’s ugl they’ll do Anything to save money on their End. Even if it’s 10mg of tamoxifen citrate lol. And that’s why I have issues with ugl.

Now I could be completely wrong. But with the fact that liska who is ugl and uses the same fucking raws as every other ugl vendor it leads me to believe this theory is correct.

It’s not like ugl is getting a different chemical.

It’s the same tamoxifen citrate.

Pharmagrade can and is over and under dosed all the time. If I were you, I would go by what the ugl source's stuff is tested at. If they are selling 20mg Tamoxifen Citrate that has been sent in and tested and came back as 17mg Tamoxifen Citrate then take it as being 17mg.

 

[MuscleMongoose]

Pharmagrade can and is over and under dosed all the time. If I were you, I would go by what the ugl source's stuff is tested at. If they are selling 20mg Tamoxifen Citrate that has been sent in and tested and came back as 17mg Tamoxifen Citrate then take it as being 17mg.

Why would I do that when we just went over what it should be tested at lol.

I’m not buying 17mg tamoxifen as it’s not even 20mg yet alone 28-30 mg.

 

[cujo]

Perhaps the vendors or even @Janoshik might have an answer for this as I couldn’t find it in any of my searches.

Pharma grade nolvadex for 20 mg usually comes out to 28-30 mg and the reasoning I found was because the citrate adds the extra weight and 28-30mg of tamoxifen citrate equals 20mg active tamoxifen

The same for Indian generic when nolvadex is tested. It’s around 28mg.

How come almost every ugl source if you look at their testing ( here and meso)

Their tamoxifen citrate 20mg is tested at 20 ish mg.

Does that mean that there’s only 10mg active tamoxifen in it?

Then I thought it was because they don’t use citrate or something but tamoxifen citrate is actual chemical name and that’s what’s on their testing so somethings not adding up here.

Does anyone know the answer to this.

No it has 20mg of the active ingredient tamoxifen

 

[KillTheKing]

Why would I do that when we just went over what it should be tested at lol.

I’m not buying 17mg tamoxifen as it’s not even 20mg yet alone 28-30 mg.

Dude I'm not really sure what you're talking about now. I don't know if you've noticed or not, but almost everything from ugl is off a little. That's why they post test and results so you can see the purity and know how to dose accordingly. If you plan on using ugl, you better get used to it being off. Like I said before, even pharma is off. If I remember right, you're still using a prescription? I can 100% guarantee it's not exactly 200 or 250mg.

 

[MuscleMongoose]

No it has 20mg of the active ingredient tamoxifen

No it doesn’t

Cleary you didn’t read anything that was just discussed.

 

[KillTheKing]

No it doesn’t

Man I'm pretty sure it does. It tests for that and that's what shows up. I mean if you send in Tylenol and get back 50mg Acetaminophen, that's what it is. Listen man, if the sources tests results from Janoshik come back as 16mg , 18, 21mg or 10mg Nolva, that's what it is. Same with anything else that is sent in. If you can't believe or trust those results, you won't be able to trust any of them. Every single compound they sell is going to come back different than advertised. Just the way it is. Maybe someone else can explain it better.