not really a how to question, but how was dialing your estrogen first cycle or whatever

[mylesnall]

basically i was told start with the full dose of ai then get estrogen checked,
then trial and error and get new labs with lowering or increasing the ai

but im more interested in anyones personal experience if this was annoying or no problem as a beginner for you.


im learning that testosterone truely is the cheapest part of the cycle (wow). cheers basically the only thing holding me back from ordering was end of the month bills, ima try to start something this month and im getting my test checked monday

 

[Gbunk]

So people usually say don’t take an ai till you need one or until sides appear.

My first cycle, I guessed and took some ai and felt fine. When I got bloodwork, estrogen came back low and I just lowered the dose. While people can argue that I could have been taking ai for no reason and or harming myself from low estrogen, I am glad I did that. Later on I would discover that I don’t show signs of high e2 very well. I will developer nipple pain after I have already developed lumps. Nolvadex doesn’t help me if I already have a lump and I came to that conclusion after my symptoms were still there a month after starting nolva. I have to take rolaxifene and lower my estrogen to get rid of symptoms. I think im a more rare shitty breed but going if symptoms for me isn’t a great way for me. I would say do what you feel comfortable with. No one is the same, but I would throw cycle and dosing out for people to see. A full dose how often? People might be able to critique you in a general direct. Example being while no one can guess your e2, it is highly unlikely to need a full dose of ai e2d if only taking 200 mgs of test e. Hope this helps.

 

[mylesnall]

basically my plan is to try 170mg / week as per vigorous steves recommendation based off my body weight just as a starting point. or 50mg every 2 days roughly the same.

correct me if im wrong, i believe i need the following things to complete my beginner cycle at 170 test:
-1bottle of cypionate pretty much only
-1bottle of aromasin, arimidex, hcg, nolvadex ( probably all wont be needed, but will have it all just incase )

seriously correct me if im wrong:
-take just test cyp 2 weeks
-add 6mg aromasin e3d week 3, increase to 6mg e2d on week 4
-get estrogen checked at week 5 and adjust aromasin dosage
-get estrogen checked in 2 weeks if everything still smooth, then if numbers and symptoms are good whens the next time checking estrogen is necessary

 

[Gbunk]

This is the point I was making. 170mg of test c a week is basically a hormone replacement therapy dose when it what people take who can’t produce test on their own. 1. You would not even need close to that dosage considering a lot of people take 150-200mgs without a need for an Ai 2. As I said, 170 is an hrt dosage, I would urge you to increase your dosage. A lot of people doing a first cycle use around 500 mgs.

 

[mylesnall]

This is the point I was making. 170mg of test c a week is basically a hormone replacement therapy dose when it what people take who can’t produce test on their own. 1. You would not even need close to that dosage considering a lot of people take 150-200mgs without a need for an Ai 2. As I said, 170 is an hrt dosage, I would urge you to increase your dosage. A lot of people doing a first cycle use around 500 mgs.

i kinda wana feel what a trt dose is like.... maybe stay on that maybe do a real cycle halfway through , not sure yet but im 32 so ive got quite some time to try a bunch of stuff

 

[Gbunk]

i kinda wana feel what a trt dose is like.... maybe stay on that maybe do a real cycle halfway through , not sure yet but im 32 so ive got quite some time to try a bunch of stuff

With all due respect, unless you are producing low testosterone, you are already on a trt dose naturally by your body which means you would be shutting down your own testosterone for no reason because you would just be giving it what it already made but exogenously. If you are going to shut your body down by taking exogenous test, you might as well give it more than it is already making. Does that make sense?

 

[mylesnall]

With all due respect, unless you are producing low testosterone, you are already on a trt dose naturally by your body which means you would be shutting down your own testosterone for no reason because you would just be giving it what it already made but exogenously. If you are going to shut your body down by taking exogenous test, you might as well give it more than it is already making. Does that make sense?

yes that makes sense, ill know what my test is at in 2 days i just took blood today. so then ill need 2, possibly 3 things of testcyp then

 

[Gbunk]

okay, post your bloods when you get them back. Yes, 2-3.

 

[Gullinbursti]

basically my plan is to try 170mg / week as per vigorous steves recommendation based off my body weight just as a starting point. or 50mg every 2 days roughly the same.

correct me if im wrong, i believe i need the following things to complete my beginner cycle at 170 test:
-1bottle of cypionate pretty much only
-1bottle of aromasin, arimidex, hcg, nolvadex ( probably all wont be needed, but will have it all just incase )

seriously correct me if im wrong:
-take just test cyp 2 weeks
-add 6mg aromasin e3d week 3, increase to 6mg e2d on week 4
-get estrogen checked at week 5 and adjust aromasin dosage
-get estrogen checked in 2 weeks if everything still smooth, then if numbers and symptoms are good whens the next time checking estrogen is necessary

That's such a foolish "cycle" in so many ways. If you do decide to go with that nonsense then at least, for your own sake do not just start popping AI because you almost definitely won't need it and you'll crash your e2 and be in a world of bad stuff. Jesus Christ... ViGoRoUs sTeVE... Holy shit

 

[mylesnall]

gullenbursti fucking troll just delete your comment and fuck off thanks

 

[mylesnall]

okay, post your bloods when you get them back. Yes, 2-3.

makes sense, im lucky for the people like you who i can have these discussions with, i literally havent pulled the trigger on anything, im still literally learning as much as i can

basically if my levels arent bad at all: im gonna do something like a test / anavar cycle
and if my natural levels are straight shit: im gonna just put myself on low dose trt and enjoy the life improvements without the judgement of any old ladies that disapprove of my adult decision such as this gullenbursti asshole

 

[Gullinbursti]

i havent gone and done anything yet.... also im considering staying on test forever. stop being every old lady in my life disapproving of shit please and just state your opinion without being disrespectful ya fuck.

ya im learning i wont really need an AI.

how the fuck am i gonna listen to someone being a fuckin assclown being dramatic/insulting as youre being. plenty of people are on less and still live a better life. im just not using the correct lingo, thats why your fuckin dumbass is upset.fine its not really a cycle. get some better weed you butthurt faggot. literally bashing someone for 170 being too low for your taste.... literally eat shit u dumb fuck

Lol good luck getting help with that attitude jackass

 

[Gbunk]

That sounds fair. Good luck and make sure you are knowledgable in what you want to do like side effects and what to look for.

 

[mylesnall]

tested twice and i came back in the low 300's and had every symptom of low test and low estrogen ( eating perfect most days, gym 3 times a week, ashwaghanda/fedogia creatine etc etc and even peptides at the end) i threw the whole "natty book" at my situation and low 300's was the BEST my body could do.

a head injury a few years ago has ruined my hormone production and caused a horrible weight loss over the last few years.

sir I was pretty much hypogonadal so 175 of test in 1 week literally changed my life and put on 10 lbs of (muscle/water call it whatever you want) in the last 10 days and has me feeling like a new person.

i get so much disapproval of my "harmfully low dose" even though i state over and over that i plan on titrating up and then eventually back down to 175 ( my natural levels are shit and my life wasnt working out... i plan do this for a while hopefully and dont need to complicate things doing an unnecessary 500mg of test when 175 already feels literally badass to me.)

im used to being surrounded by unintelligent insensitive people that eat like shit in real life, so theres little chance i would take diet or drug advice from MOST of you. so we might as well all be nice if were asserting our opinions.

not everyone is the same and maybe i literally dont need 500mg to look better than someone on 500. harsh reality check for a lot of people and i feel like most of the shit talk stems from jealousy and misunderstanding.

on the left i got assclowns warning me to not try certain drugs at ALL
on the right i got assclowns warning me that i better do more.

i got people telling me 5mg dianabol would be DANGEROUS and group bashing me, then i got the same people telling me to run 500 test just right off the bat.
meanwhile im running test only at a reasonable dose and its helping me reach my goals i dont know what the problem is. harm reduction my ass, more like old lady judgement

im afraid to even say what drug changes i made but i made some drug change ill post some blood in 2 fuccin weeks incase any of my second moms here wana see it

edit: the person im talking to deleted their comment. if u cant tell who im ranting at thats why

 

[deadlift2death]

tested twice and i came back in the low 300's and had every symptom of low test and low estrogen ( eating perfect most days, gym 3 times a week, ashwaghanda/fedogia creatine etc etc and even peptides at the end) i threw the whole "natty book" at my situation and low 300's was the BEST my body could do.

a head injury a few years ago has ruined my hormone production and caused a horrible weight loss over the last few years.

sir I was pretty much hypogonadal

You should therefore probably be at an HRT clinic talking to a doctor about your hormone levels and not on a Sauce Forum.

on the left i got assclowns warning me to not try certain drugs at ALL
on the right i got assclowns warning me that i better do more.

Almost every post I have seen from you is you getting all emotional and butthurt about every reply including my own on another one of your posts.
if you cant handle advice then DONT ASK