PIP and lumps

[Gbunk]

I’m just looking for thoughts and opinions. I’ll give my full history. Using gear for 4-5 years now, I’ve had lumps and pip most of the time. I always use test E as a base. The pip has never been debilitating and the lumps after Injecting and never super obvious or giant but just a little swelling. Never red or hot to the touch either. I tried switching carrier oils and that didn’t really make a difference. I use a 1 inch needs for delts, lats, and glutes. I don’t always shove the whole thing in my lats or delts either. My lats almost never get lumps and don’t get much pip if any at all. It’s mostly delts and glutes. Delt lump usually shows up same day or day after and the pip the same. Glute stuff usually shows up 1-2 days after. They both probably last an average of 2 days of duration. I’ve always put up with it because it’s a small price to pay in the grand scheme of things but any idea why this is?

 

[JamesDoe350]

I’m just looking for thoughts and opinions. I’ll give my full history. Using gear for 4-5 years now, I’ve had lumps and pip most of the time. I always use test E as a base. The pip has never been debilitating and the lumps after Injecting and never super obvious or giant but just a little swelling. Never red or hot to the touch either. I tried switching carrier oils and that didn’t really make a difference. I use a 1 inch needs for delts, lats, and glutes. I don’t always shove the whole thing in my lats or delts either. My lats almost never get lumps and don’t get much pip if any at all. It’s mostly delts and glutes. Delt lump usually shows up same day or day after and the pip the same. Glute stuff usually shows up 1-2 days after. They both probably last an average of 2 days of duration. I’ve always put up with it because it’s a small price to pay in the grand scheme of things but any idea why this is?

my question is, are you homebrewing? i havent heard anything good about test e. i have mct oil and i only get like virgin muscle pain. ive had an infection one time cause the temp got too low in my house and it separated and i pinned without thinking. i pin only test c or p and i havent had an issue. some people say heat the oil up in a coffee cup that you heated water up in the microwave. i only get pip if i inject into my quads.

if you brew whats your %%?
if you dont brew, im sure your source is good but id get something from someone else and run it. ive ran G.L. and viper and have had 0 issue. im sure all these sources are g2g those are just the two ive dealt with.

 

[BINGBONG]

Have u tried switching to cyp and see if it still happens? I'd be interested in seeing if that helps as test E has been known to cause these issues.

 

[Gbunk]

my question is, are you homebrewing? i havent heard anything good about test e. i have mct oil and i only get like virgin muscle pain. ive had an infection one time cause the temp got too low in my house and it separated and i pinned without thinking. i pin only test c or p and i havent had an issue. some people say heat the oil up in a coffee cup that you heated water up in the microwave. i only get pip if i inject into my quads.

if you brew whats your %%?
if you dont brew, im sure your source is good but id get something from someone else and run it. ive ran G.L. and viper and have had 0 issue. im sure all these sources are g2g those are just the two ive dealt with.

I don’t brew my own stuff and have used many of labs. I believe I have heated it up by running warm water over it as well but don’t remember much difference.

 

[Gbunk]

Have u tried switching to cyp and see if it still happens? I'd be interested in seeing if that helps as test E has been known to cause these issues.

I thought about that I think I will try it next time but I realized, if it’s the ester, it should bother my lats too. It does bother my lats minimally or from time to time but the others are 99% of the time with the occasional exception.

 

[JamesDoe350]

I thought about that I think I will try it next time but I realized, if it’s the ester, it should bother my lats too. It does bother my lats minimally or from time to time but the others are 99% of the time with the occasional exception.

what about built up scar tissue? you only have so many spots in the glutes and i can only reach so far with my shoulder? have you tried getting a massage to break down the tissue?
lat is a much larger muscle and id say the odds of hitting the same spot twice in pretty slim compared to delts and glutes

 

[Arbiter]

I thought about that I think I will try it next time but I realized, if it’s the ester, it should bother my lats too. It does bother my lats minimally or from time to time but the others are 99% of the time with the occasional exception.

Definitely try Test Cyp. Most of the time when I see lump/pip complaints from otherwise innocuous compounds, it's Test E. What carrier oil do you usually use?

 

[Thrasymachus]

Enanthate is a problem ester. The problem has been going on for years. There are theories and even some testing that suggest incomplete chemical reactions during production that produce an acid that irritates the injection site.

The painless esters are Acetate, Cypionate, Decanoate and Undecanoate. Those typically don't cause problems.

Some people put too much BB and BA in their brews and that irritates the injection site and also sometimes vials just go bad with time and they have to be tossed.

For some reason Test Enanthate is the default ester for anabolic users and I have no clue why when Cyp does everything E does with zero pain.

If I was a source I would never sale Test E unless the pip problem could be resolved.

 

[HulkBench]

what is your source?

 

[JamesDoe350]

Enanthate is a problem ester. The problem has been going on for years. There are theories and even some testing that suggest incomplete chemical reactions during production that produce an acid that irritates the injection site.

The painless esters are Acetate, Cypionate, Decanoate and Undecanoate. Those typically don't cause problems.

Some people put too much BB and BA in their brews and that irritates the injection site and also sometimes vials just go bad with time and they have to be tossed.

For some reason Test Enanthate is the default ester for anabolic users and I have no clue why when Cyp does everything E does with zero pain.

If I was a source I would never sale Test E unless the pip problem could be resolved.

from what ive heard test e breaks down at a low temp so the shipping over here breaks the hormones down. some raw suppliers are shipping test in already half way made to avoid this.

 

[Thrasymachus]

from what ive heard test e breaks down at a low temp so the shipping over here breaks the hormones down. some raw suppliers are shipping test in already half way made to avoid this.

Sure when I've received T-E raws if it was during the summer they were melted goo by the time they got to me.

It does have a low melting point, due to impurities it usually melts at lower than body temp, my last batch was melting at around 91 F.

T-E raws were the preference of homebrew in the past because it was easy to dissolve in oil with very little heat and held at a higher concentration, where's cyp you need to warm your oil on a coffee cup warmer for say 30 minutes before you add your cyp raws and it doesn't hold well above 250mg/ml. Which in this case Test Decanoate can solve this issue as it will hold at 350mg/ml and doesn't require too much more heat than T-E.

 

[JamesDoe350]

Sure when I've received T-E raws if it was during the summer they were melted goo by the time they got to me.

It does have a low melting point, due to impurities it usually melts at lower than body temp, my last batch was melting at around 91 F.

T-E raws were the preference of homebrew in the past because it was easy to dissolve in oil with very little heat and held at a higher concentration, where's cyp you need to warm your oil on a coffee cup warmer for say 30 minutes before you add your cyp raws and it doesn't hold well above 250mg/ml. Which in this case Test Decanoate can solve this issue as it will hold at 350mg/ml and doesn't require too much more heat than T-E.

cool info man. i havent ventured out past test c and npp. have eq, tren, t3 coming. will branch out as the journey with raws continues. dont plan on many orals though, just risk to reward isnt worth it to me.

 

[Gbunk]

what about built up scar tissue? you only have so many spots in the glutes and i can only reach so far with my shoulder? have you tried getting a massage to break down the tissue?
lat is a much larger muscle and id say the odds of hitting the same spot twice in pretty slim compared to delts and glutes

I never have but I would think scare tissue wouldn’t be much of an issue this early on.

 

[Gbunk]

Definitely try Test Cyp. Most of the time when I see lump/pip complaints from otherwise innocuous compounds, it's Test E. What carrier oil do you usually use?

Depends I’ve used mct and gso I believe without much different.

 

[Gbunk]

It will be interesting to see if cyp really does help.

 

[Thrasymachus]

It will be interesting to see if cyp really does help.

GSO Cyp combo is pretty much what most guys find to be tolerable. Look for the 200mg/ml(not the 250mg/ml), so they're aren't loading up the brew with BB and BA.

You got no choice but to try it because if you do some research you'll find lots of people having problems with enanthate for the past 3 to 4 years now.

 

[Gbunk]

I should also add that sometimes towards the end of a cycle like 10 weeks in, it gets a little worse towards the end.

 

[JamesDoe350]

I should also add that sometimes towards the end of a cycle like 10 weeks in, it gets a little worse towards the end.

i think switching to cyp and MCT oil will be your best help. id also get massages and try to break up scar tissue? let us know how it goes so when i come across it i already know what to do.

 

[Gbunk]

Whether mct or gso, didn’t make much or a difference. I do plan on using cyp next time so I will definitely try to update the thread then.

 

[Vio]

It will be interesting to see if cyp really does help.

Same here, definitely going to try it next I think