Primo price disparities?

[Cog_Noggin]

I’m pretty interested in trying primobolan enanthate eventually, but obviously the price is off-putting when I look at the value of other compounds. I see it being offered by one verified source for $95 for 10ml @150mg/ml. I started trying to see how that compares to other verified sources, and I was surprised to see another verified source offering Primo E 10ml @100mgl/ml for $43. I’m used to seeing price differences between sources, but seeing a vial of Primo E at that price makes me feel like I’m missing something. Obviously price isn’t the only consideration, but I’m not trying to spend more money for no reason either.

I don’t want to insult verified sources by calling their products into question, but am I missing something here? Basically, is finished injectable primo from DO and PPL g2g? I couldn’t find any anecdotal reviews for their primo, let alone bloods/labs.

 

[Fyronix]

Curious to hear any input here as well. I was also interested in trying @“DragonOrdnance” primo. I believe @“WinterPharm” uses his raws and just had LCMS come back on the primo showing it was g2g.

 

[Fatbricks]

Fyronix" pid='59067' dateline='1561750821:

Curious to hear any input here as well. I was also interested in trying @“DragonOrdnance” primo. I believe @“WinterPharm” uses his raws and just had LCMS come back on the primo showing it was g2g.

Someone tested dragons primo before and it came back damn close to the advertised.dose

 

[propionate]

One vial has 1.5gram product
The other has1.0gram of product

Some carrier oils are also more expensive, alongside solvent mix and such for carrying higher concentrations and higher concentrations being more brewing intensive

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Also you know, capitalism

 

[Cog_Noggin]

Fatbricks" pid='59071' dateline='1561751310:

Fyronix" pid='59067' dateline='1561750821:

Curious to hear any input here as well. I was also interested in trying @“DragonOrdnance” primo. I believe @“WinterPharm” uses his raws and just had LCMS come back on the primo showing it was g2g.

Someone tested dragons primo before and it came back damn close to the advertised.dose

Do you remember where you saw the test results, or is that just something you heard? I do see that the DO raws for Primo E used by Winter came back g2g, so that makes me feel a bit more confident in the finished injectable primo. Thanks for the info!

 

[appropionate]

I’m in EU so I only know about EU source prices:

Pharmasource EU offers 200mg/ml 20ml vials of Primo for what should be approx 35usd per 100mg/ml if they’ve one of their frequent discounts going (buy 3 get 1 free + 20% off or something). cheapest source for almost anything, only expresspct beats them on a few articles.

Hilma Biocare sells 100mg/ml 10ml vials of Primo starting at roughly 40usd per vial with huge (40%+) discounts if you order for >1000/3000/5000usd respectively. been using these exclusively as they’ve a shitload of lab tests, bloodwork, anecdotals reports due to being on a board that gets tons of posts and customers.

 

[Cog_Noggin]

propionate" pid='59079' dateline='1561754596:

One vial has 1.5gram product
The other has1.0gram of product

Some carrier oils are also more expensive, alongside solvent mix and such for carrying higher concentrations and higher concentrations being more brewing intensive

Regarding the first part, yes, one vial has 150% of the other’s product, but it’s also like 220% the price of the other – big disparity in value, ceteris paribus. I won’t pretend to know much about the brewing process, so I appreciate you pointing those other factors out to me - I didn’t realize carrier oils and and high concentration brewing could jack the price up significantly, but that does seem reasonable. It seems that people like DO, so I’ll have to give him my business one of these days. I just thought it was weird that I didn’t see more feedback on his primo at that price.

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appropionate" pid='59129' dateline='1561788694:

I’m in EU so I only know about EU source prices:

Pharmasource EU offers 200mg/ml 20ml vials of Primo for what should be approx 35usd per 100mg/ml if they’ve one of their frequent discounts going (buy 3 get 1 free + 20% off or something). cheapest source for almost anything, only expresspct beats them on a few articles.

Hilma Biocare sells 100mg/ml 10ml vials of Primo starting at roughly 40usd per vial with huge (40%+) discounts if you order for >1000/3000/5000usd respectively. been using these exclusively as they’ve a shitload of lab tests, bloodwork, anecdotals reports due to being on a board that gets tons of posts and customers.

Holy shit, do they ship international? I’m in the US. That just seems crazy to me because I always hear about how expensive primo is, and how often it’s faked. Is my life a lie? Or do they just take razor thin margins and rely on ungodly selling volumes for profit?

 

[Fatbricks]

Cog_Noggin" pid='59128' dateline='1561788682:

Fatbricks" pid='59071' dateline='1561751310:

Fyronix" pid='59067' dateline='1561750821:

Curious to hear any input here as well. I was also interested in trying @“DragonOrdnance” primo. I believe @“WinterPharm” uses his raws and just had LCMS come back on the primo showing it was g2g.

Someone tested dragons primo before and it came back damn close to the advertised.dose

Do you remember where you saw the test results, or is that just something you heard? I do see that the DO raws for Primo E used by Winter came back g2g, so that makes me feel a bit more confident in the finished injectable primo. Thanks for the info!

It was in the lab work section of this page, I looked yesterday but couldn’t find it. I think the person who posted had tested dragons primo and it was like 185 or something like that. They had tested also jaguar primo and there was an issue with it having a little test in it. Then the person who posted I think deleted both accounts and disappeared. Idk if this is all 100 percent accurate, but this is what I remember. But seriously, if a retailer of raws (dragon) makes primo, you gotta assume it’s legit. What benefit would he have to dirtbag you… He is the fucking raw source. Idk, just my 2 cents

 

[appropionate]

Cog_Noggin" pid='59134' dateline='1561789233:

Holy shit, do they ship international? I’m in the US. That just seems crazy to me because I always hear about how expensive primo is, and how often it’s faked. Is my life a lie? Or do they just take razor thin margins and rely on ungodly selling volumes for profit?

yea, they ship everywhere. I really hesitate to draw the ire of most of this board but the actual reason is most vendors here being relatively small & overpriced - having stuck to SST sources eversince the old reddit days until I took the leap of faith to Meso last year I almost feel a little scammed in retrospect by SST exclusive sources.

ignoring that there are bad sources everywhere, Meso’s best are above SST both in price and selection by a largin margin and equal or better in quality.

 

[Allstar1233]

The $95 vials use sas (sweat of Arnold Schwarzenegger) carrier oil. That’s why such a big mark up

 

[Primobro]

Allstar1233" pid='59145' dateline='1561815802:

The $95 vials use sas (sweat of Arnold Schwarzenegger) carrier oil. That’s why such a big mark up

This is absolutely correct… About 8 years ago when I was researching Arnold’s cycles and training regimens I learned about his love for primo and I that kicked off my addiction

 

[WinterPharm]

Fyronix" pid='59067' dateline='1561750821:

Curious to hear any input here as well. I was also interested in trying @“DragonOrdnance” primo. I believe @“WinterPharm” uses his raws and just had LCMS come back on the primo showing it was g2g.

Correct.

 

[zenmonky]

CaptainAmerica" pid='59100' dateline='1561770684:

Also you know, capitalism

this is the answer. you can look up the prices of raws from resellers here or right from the manufactures. you can look up the prices of vials, carrier oils, solvents… they are not expensive. mixing these things isnt complex. if price is an issue and you got a couple of friends into gear like you are, consider homebrew. the equipment needed is on amazon. just dont get tempted in going commercial.

 

[Cog_Noggin]

Fatbricks" pid='59139' dateline='1561806612:

Cog_Noggin" pid='59128' dateline='1561788682:

Fatbricks" pid='59071' dateline='1561751310:

Fyronix" pid='59067' dateline='1561750821:

Curious to hear any input here as well. I was also interested in trying @“DragonOrdnance” primo. I believe @“WinterPharm” uses his raws and just had LCMS come back on the primo showing it was g2g.

Someone tested dragons primo before and it came back damn close to the advertised.dose

Do you remember where you saw the test results, or is that just something you heard? I do see that the DO raws for Primo E used by Winter came back g2g, so that makes me feel a bit more confident in the finished injectable primo. Thanks for the info!

It was in the lab work section of this page, I looked yesterday but couldn’t find it. I think the person who posted had tested dragons primo and it was like 185 or something like that. They had tested also jaguar primo and there was an issue with it having a little test in it. Then the person who posted I think deleted both accounts and disappeared. Idk if this is all 100 percent accurate, but this is what I remember. But seriously, if a retailer of raws (dragon) makes primo, you gotta assume it’s legit. What benefit would he have to dirtbag you… He is the fucking raw source. Idk, just my 2 cents

Gotcha. I didn’t realize earlier that his raws are as widely used by sources on this board as they are, but clearly he wouldn’t be in business if he was peddling bunk shit all this time. I don’t know if he makes the raws himself or is just a re-seller, so I guess that’s more where my concern came from - obviously he can’t pay to purity test every batch of raws. But no use overthinking some bullshit that doesn’t even affect me right now, I got some good answers to my post. Appreciate the 2 cents.

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Primobro" pid='59147' dateline='1561818997:

Allstar1233" pid='59145' dateline='1561815802:

The $95 vials use sas (sweat of Arnold Schwarzenegger) carrier oil. That’s why such a big mark up

This is absolutely correct… About 8 years ago when I was researching Arnold’s cycles and training regimens I learned about his love for primo and I that kicked off my addiction

Same here, I got interested in primo when I heard that Arnold liked it and it was one of the steroids available to the golden era guys. How do you usually run primo @“Primobro”, if you don’t mind me asking? I heard it’s a waste below 600mg/week and best for longer cycles, do you find that to be the case? Any favorite compounds to stack with it?

 

[Primobro]

Cog_Noggin" pid='59195' dateline='1561870928:

Fatbricks" pid='59139' dateline='1561806612:

Cog_Noggin" pid='59128' dateline='1561788682:

Fatbricks" pid='59071' dateline='1561751310:

Fyronix" pid='59067' dateline='1561750821:

Curious to hear any input here as well. I was also interested in trying @“DragonOrdnance” primo. I believe @“WinterPharm” uses his raws and just had LCMS come back on the primo showing it was g2g.

Someone tested dragons primo before and it came back damn close to the advertised.dose

Do you remember where you saw the test results, or is that just something you heard? I do see that the DO raws for Primo E used by Winter came back g2g, so that makes me feel a bit more confident in the finished injectable primo. Thanks for the info!

It was in the lab work section of this page, I looked yesterday but couldn’t find it. I think the person who posted had tested dragons primo and it was like 185 or something like that. They had tested also jaguar primo and there was an issue with it having a little test in it. Then the person who posted I think deleted both accounts and disappeared. Idk if this is all 100 percent accurate, but this is what I remember. But seriously, if a retailer of raws (dragon) makes primo, you gotta assume it’s legit. What benefit would he have to dirtbag you… He is the fucking raw source. Idk, just my 2 cents

Gotcha. I didn’t realize earlier that his raws are as widely used by sources on this board as they are, but clearly he wouldn’t be in business if he was peddling bunk shit all this time. I don’t know if he makes the raws himself or is just a re-seller, so I guess that’s more where my concern came from - obviously he can’t pay to purity test every batch of raws. But no use overthinking some bullshit that doesn’t even affect me right now, I got some good answers to my post. Appreciate the 2 cents.

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Primobro" pid='59147' dateline='1561818997:

Allstar1233" pid='59145' dateline='1561815802:

The $95 vials use sas (sweat of Arnold Schwarzenegger) carrier oil. That’s why such a big mark up

This is absolutely correct… About 8 years ago when I was researching Arnold’s cycles and training regimens I learned about his love for primo and I that kicked off my addiction

Same here, I got interested in primo when I heard that Arnold liked it and it was one of the steroids available to the golden era guys. How do you usually run primo @“Primobro”, if you don’t mind me asking? I heard it’s a waste below 600mg/week and best for longer cycles, do you find that to be the case? Any favorite compounds to stack with it?

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I agree that its a waste below 600mg/week but I believe that’s because I know better. I think someone new to the compound and cycling in general could perhaps see benefits from 400mg/week in conjunction with test. I run primo from 700mg/week up to 2grams a week depending on other compounds in the cycle and how I’m feeling. In my experience, anything above 2grams and I start to feel just off mentally. I get super cranky and am a bit lethargic. From 700mg-2g I feel like just plain awesome, it really is a feel good steroid. I think my favorite compounds to run it with are test (always), NPP, and a little bit of masteron along with 2iu/day of Humatrope. Once in a while I’ll get crazy and throw in some tren ace for a few weeks but it just totally wears me out so I burn out on it pretty fast. It’s a good clean compound and it doesn’t make me want to be a serial killer like tren does. It seems to do something to my physique that other compounds just don’t.

 

[Cog_Noggin]

Primobro" pid='59199' dateline='1561873846:

Cog_Noggin" pid='59195' dateline='1561870928:

Fatbricks" pid='59139' dateline='1561806612:

Cog_Noggin" pid='59128' dateline='1561788682:

Fatbricks" pid='59071' dateline='1561751310:

Someone tested dragons primo before and it came back damn close to the advertised.dose

Do you remember where you saw the test results, or is that just something you heard? I do see that the DO raws for Primo E used by Winter came back g2g, so that makes me feel a bit more confident in the finished injectable primo. Thanks for the info!

It was in the lab work section of this page, I looked yesterday but couldn’t find it. I think the person who posted had tested dragons primo and it was like 185 or something like that. They had tested also jaguar primo and there was an issue with it having a little test in it. Then the person who posted I think deleted both accounts and disappeared. Idk if this is all 100 percent accurate, but this is what I remember. But seriously, if a retailer of raws (dragon) makes primo, you gotta assume it’s legit. What benefit would he have to dirtbag you… He is the fucking raw source. Idk, just my 2 cents

Gotcha. I didn’t realize earlier that his raws are as widely used by sources on this board as they are, but clearly he wouldn’t be in business if he was peddling bunk shit all this time. I don’t know if he makes the raws himself or is just a re-seller, so I guess that’s more where my concern came from - obviously he can’t pay to purity test every batch of raws. But no use overthinking some bullshit that doesn’t even affect me right now, I got some good answers to my post. Appreciate the 2 cents.

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Primobro" pid='59147' dateline='1561818997:

Allstar1233" pid='59145' dateline='1561815802:

The $95 vials use sas (sweat of Arnold Schwarzenegger) carrier oil. That’s why such a big mark up

This is absolutely correct… About 8 years ago when I was researching Arnold’s cycles and training regimens I learned about his love for primo and I that kicked off my addiction

Same here, I got interested in primo when I heard that Arnold liked it and it was one of the steroids available to the golden era guys. How do you usually run primo @“Primobro”, if you don’t mind me asking? I heard it’s a waste below 600mg/week and best for longer cycles, do you find that to be the case? Any favorite compounds to stack with it?

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I agree that its a waste below 600mg/week but I believe that’s because I know better. I think someone new to the compound and cycling in general could perhaps see benefits from 400mg/week in conjunction with test. I run primo from 700mg/week up to 2grams a week depending on other compounds in the cycle and how I’m feeling. In my experience, anything above 2grams and I start to feel just off mentally. I get super cranky and am a bit lethargic. From 700mg-2g I feel like just plain awesome, it really is a feel good steroid. I think my favorite compounds to run it with are test (always), NPP, and a little bit of masteron along with 2iu/day of Humatrope. Once in a while I’ll get crazy and throw in some tren ace for a few weeks but it just totally wears me out so I burn out on it pretty fast. It’s a good clean compound and it doesn’t make me want to be a serial killer like tren does. It seems to do something to my physique that other compounds just don’t.

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Thanks for the detailed response. I haven’t even run a cycle of actual gear yet (gonna start a ~12 week run of test cyp in the near future), so I’m soaking up all the info I can. Even if I was still pretty new to gear, would you say 600mg would be optimal for a first run (as compared to the 400mg that might still give a nice effect)? Primo has really fascinated me as such a mild and clean compound, and I like the idea that you can run it at high doses with virtually no negative sides or crazy organ stress. I’ve gotta say though, damn, I can’t fathom paying for 2 grams a week of primo, let alone injecting 10-20ml of it on top of other compounds. You must really love the stuff (I guess that could be inferred from your name, hah). For you, how does it compare to masteron? Notice any special synergy with primo and mast together, or do you just like the effects on their own? I was particularly curious about DHT sides.

 

[appropionate]

primo is actually one thing I wouldn’t be opposed to adding to a first cycle (nor anavar) due to its lack of sides or confuscating effects on bloodwork - if your wallet is infinite and you can deal with the huge amount of oil as a newbie (200mg/ml concentration would migitate this). I’d still go with 600mg minimum since it doesn’t matter due to the infinite wallet

 

[Primobro]

Cog_Noggin" pid='59330' dateline='1561957140:

Primobro" pid='59199' dateline='1561873846:

Cog_Noggin" pid='59195' dateline='1561870928:

Fatbricks" pid='59139' dateline='1561806612:

Cog_Noggin" pid='59128' dateline='1561788682:

Do you remember where you saw the test results, or is that just something you heard? I do see that the DO raws for Primo E used by Winter came back g2g, so that makes me feel a bit more confident in the finished injectable primo. Thanks for the info!

It was in the lab work section of this page, I looked yesterday but couldn’t find it. I think the person who posted had tested dragons primo and it was like 185 or something like that. They had tested also jaguar primo and there was an issue with it having a little test in it. Then the person who posted I think deleted both accounts and disappeared. Idk if this is all 100 percent accurate, but this is what I remember. But seriously, if a retailer of raws (dragon) makes primo, you gotta assume it’s legit. What benefit would he have to dirtbag you… He is the fucking raw source. Idk, just my 2 cents

Gotcha. I didn’t realize earlier that his raws are as widely used by sources on this board as they are, but clearly he wouldn’t be in business if he was peddling bunk shit all this time. I don’t know if he makes the raws himself or is just a re-seller, so I guess that’s more where my concern came from - obviously he can’t pay to purity test every batch of raws. But no use overthinking some bullshit that doesn’t even affect me right now, I got some good answers to my post. Appreciate the 2 cents.

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Primobro" pid='59147' dateline='1561818997:

Allstar1233" pid='59145' dateline='1561815802:

The $95 vials use sas (sweat of Arnold Schwarzenegger) carrier oil. That’s why such a big mark up

This is absolutely correct… About 8 years ago when I was researching Arnold’s cycles and training regimens I learned about his love for primo and I that kicked off my addiction

Same here, I got interested in primo when I heard that Arnold liked it and it was one of the steroids available to the golden era guys. How do you usually run primo @“Primobro”, if you don’t mind me asking? I heard it’s a waste below 600mg/week and best for longer cycles, do you find that to be the case? Any favorite compounds to stack with it?

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I agree that its a waste below 600mg/week but I believe that’s because I know better. I think someone new to the compound and cycling in general could perhaps see benefits from 400mg/week in conjunction with test. I run primo from 700mg/week up to 2grams a week depending on other compounds in the cycle and how I’m feeling. In my experience, anything above 2grams and I start to feel just off mentally. I get super cranky and am a bit lethargic. From 700mg-2g I feel like just plain awesome, it really is a feel good steroid. I think my favorite compounds to run it with are test (always), NPP, and a little bit of masteron along with 2iu/day of Humatrope. Once in a while I’ll get crazy and throw in some tren ace for a few weeks but it just totally wears me out so I burn out on it pretty fast. It’s a good clean compound and it doesn’t make me want to be a serial killer like tren does. It seems to do something to my physique that other compounds just don’t.

---

Thanks for the detailed response. I haven’t even run a cycle of actual gear yet (gonna start a ~12 week run of test cyp in the near future), so I’m soaking up all the info I can. Even if I was still pretty new to gear, would you say 600mg would be optimal for a first run (as compared to the 400mg that might still give a nice effect)? Primo has really fascinated me as such a mild and clean compound, and I like the idea that you can run it at high doses with virtually no negative sides or crazy organ stress. I’ve gotta say though, damn, I can’t fathom paying for 2 grams a week of primo, let alone injecting 10-20ml of it on top of other compounds. You must really love the stuff (I guess that could be inferred from your name, hah). For you, how does it compare to masteron? Notice any special synergy with primo and mast together, or do you just like the effects on their own? I was particularly curious about DHT sides.

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You’re very smart to do all the research before starting, I wish I would have been more careful when I started years ago. Honestly, I think you will be completely satisfied with a low to moderate dose of test (200-400mg) and 400mg of primo per week. The wow factor from doing test alone for the first time is very cool let alone with a bit of primo… you will feel/look awesome… I must say that I think it’s smart to set the bar low and utilize your body’s ability to respond to lower dosages. 600mg of primo I think will be overkill when you will respond awesomely to 400. Masteron is awesome as well but it certainly is in a different ballpark in my opinion. Makes me too dry and doesn’t give the same pop to my physique. I do like running both because masteron just seems to keep me a tad tighter, mentally feel better with it, and my sex drive is better. In regards to how much I spend on the stuff… yes I could probably be driving a much nicer vehicle for the amount of money I spend monthly but it’s doable at the moment. My obsession with the stuff Is a bit over the top but at the end of the day I can run it high, look great, and still feel reasonably healthy as opposed to running an equal amount of tren and roasting my kidneys and feeling like death.

 

[Cog_Noggin]

Primobro" pid='59335' dateline='1561961259:

Cog_Noggin" pid='59330' dateline='1561957140:

Primobro" pid='59199' dateline='1561873846:

Cog_Noggin" pid='59195' dateline='1561870928:

Fatbricks" pid='59139' dateline='1561806612:

It was in the lab work section of this page, I looked yesterday but couldn’t find it. I think the person who posted had tested dragons primo and it was like 185 or something like that. They had tested also jaguar primo and there was an issue with it having a little test in it. Then the person who posted I think deleted both accounts and disappeared. Idk if this is all 100 percent accurate, but this is what I remember. But seriously, if a retailer of raws (dragon) makes primo, you gotta assume it’s legit. What benefit would he have to dirtbag you… He is the fucking raw source. Idk, just my 2 cents

Gotcha. I didn’t realize earlier that his raws are as widely used by sources on this board as they are, but clearly he wouldn’t be in business if he was peddling bunk shit all this time. I don’t know if he makes the raws himself or is just a re-seller, so I guess that’s more where my concern came from - obviously he can’t pay to purity test every batch of raws. But no use overthinking some bullshit that doesn’t even affect me right now, I got some good answers to my post. Appreciate the 2 cents.

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Primobro" pid='59147' dateline='1561818997:

This is absolutely correct… About 8 years ago when I was researching Arnold’s cycles and training regimens I learned about his love for primo and I that kicked off my addiction

Same here, I got interested in primo when I heard that Arnold liked it and it was one of the steroids available to the golden era guys. How do you usually run primo @“Primobro”, if you don’t mind me asking? I heard it’s a waste below 600mg/week and best for longer cycles, do you find that to be the case? Any favorite compounds to stack with it?

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I agree that its a waste below 600mg/week but I believe that’s because I know better. I think someone new to the compound and cycling in general could perhaps see benefits from 400mg/week in conjunction with test. I run primo from 700mg/week up to 2grams a week depending on other compounds in the cycle and how I’m feeling. In my experience, anything above 2grams and I start to feel just off mentally. I get super cranky and am a bit lethargic. From 700mg-2g I feel like just plain awesome, it really is a feel good steroid. I think my favorite compounds to run it with are test (always), NPP, and a little bit of masteron along with 2iu/day of Humatrope. Once in a while I’ll get crazy and throw in some tren ace for a few weeks but it just totally wears me out so I burn out on it pretty fast. It’s a good clean compound and it doesn’t make me want to be a serial killer like tren does. It seems to do something to my physique that other compounds just don’t.

---

Thanks for the detailed response. I haven’t even run a cycle of actual gear yet (gonna start a ~12 week run of test cyp in the near future), so I’m soaking up all the info I can. Even if I was still pretty new to gear, would you say 600mg would be optimal for a first run (as compared to the 400mg that might still give a nice effect)? Primo has really fascinated me as such a mild and clean compound, and I like the idea that you can run it at high doses with virtually no negative sides or crazy organ stress. I’ve gotta say though, damn, I can’t fathom paying for 2 grams a week of primo, let alone injecting 10-20ml of it on top of other compounds. You must really love the stuff (I guess that could be inferred from your name, hah). For you, how does it compare to masteron? Notice any special synergy with primo and mast together, or do you just like the effects on their own? I was particularly curious about DHT sides.

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You’re very smart to do all the research before starting, I wish I would have been more careful when I started years ago. Honestly, I think you will be completely satisfied with a low to moderate dose of test (200-400mg) and 400mg of primo per week. The wow factor from doing test alone for the first time is very cool let alone with a bit of primo… you will feel/look awesome… I must say that I think it’s smart to set the bar low and utilize your body’s ability to respond to lower dosages. 600mg of primo I think will be overkill when you will respond awesomely to 400. Masteron is awesome as well but it certainly is in a different ballpark in my opinion. Makes me too dry and doesn’t give the same pop to my physique. I do like running both because masteron just seems to keep me a tad tighter, mentally feel better with it, and my sex drive is better. In regards to how much I spend on the stuff… yes I could probably be driving a much nicer vehicle for the amount of money I spend monthly but it’s doable at the moment. My obsession with the stuff Is a bit over the top but at the end of the day I can run it high, look great, and still feel reasonably healthy as opposed to running an equal amount of tren and roasting my kidneys and feeling like death.

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I really like that conservative advice, because that’s what I’ve really gravitated toward these last few years. People think you need to slam grams for results, but for a beginner like me, why not start with the minimum effective dose and maximize my potential to incrementally advance cycles without getting into the ‘kitchen sink’ territory? I know the standard advice seems to be 500mg test per week for a first cycle, but I’m thinking 300-400mg could easily blow me away. It really changed my perspective when John Meadows said his first test cycle was like 200-250mg of test every 10 days, and he felt amazing. I don’t count on responding that well to gear, but if a 150mg shot every 3.5 days makes me look and feel like a million bucks, why take more? It’s easy to raise the dose if I don’t respond well, so I figure I have nothing to lose if I can just be patient. Primo excites me, but I may wait until at least my second cycle just to experience the pure effects of test and how my body responds. That being said, even if I try to wait, that doesn’t stop me from drooling over the idea of future cycles. Ever stack anavar with primo? I’m a fan of anavar as well, and I already have a good bit on hand - not sure when I’ll implement it though.

As a guy with a good bit of primo experience, how long would you recommend running it in my case? Say it’s my second cycle and I’m taking 400mg/week with 300mg/week of test. I hear it takes a while to pick up steam, so would you recommend shooting for 16 weeks, give or take? I’m trying to delay getting on TRT until I’m 40/done having kids, so the plan is to keep cycles shorter when possible. Since you brought up kidneys, are there any telltale signs of primo to watch for in bloodwork? I haven’t heard much about it being harsh on the lipids or kidneys, and I’d be shocked if it made a noticeable difference in liver enzymes.