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Septicanon

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So I’ve been on nsuns for 25 weeks and results have been shit, aesthetically speaking, despite the use of hypertrophy accesories. I look like a trex fridge, basically. Since legs need a break I’ve come up with this:
https://pastebin.com/fQqudu2w
Any suggestions? Thanks.
Sad to be leaving nsuns as I’ve been LP every week almost, but results speak for themselves.
 
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So you have before and after pics? Or current pics? It would be easier for the community to critique a routine if we knew where you were deficient.
 
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kill" pid='14878' dateline='1527435671:
So you have before and after pics? Or current pics? It would be easier for the community to critique a routine if we knew where you were deficient.
My weaknesses are evrything.


hanswolebro" pid='14879' dateline='1527435792:
so you’re not going to do legs at all?
Maybe front squats once a week (what day though)? But I’m t rex mode atm so Id rather concentrate on my weaknesses
 
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Soooo… You’re just going to workout the top half of your body, eh? … Ok… Let us know how that goes bro lol


Septicanon" pid='14881' dateline='1527436194:
kill" pid='14878' dateline='1527435671:
So you have before and after pics? Or current pics? It would be easier for the community to critique a routine if we knew where you were deficient.
My weaknesses are evrything.


hanswolebro" pid='14879' dateline='1527435792:
so you’re not going to do legs at all?
Maybe front squats once a week (what day though)? But I’m t rex mode atm so Id rather concentrate on my weaknesses


T-Rex’s are known to have very small brains, so you’re definitely in “t Rex mode”
 
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Didn’t know an Olympia caliber physique only takes 25 weeks on average.
 
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I don’t find this to be a wise approach whatsoever. I don’t wanna be an asshole and nitpick every last flaw in what you’ve provided, but I would highly recommend going back to the drawing board. Spend some time learning how to write your own programming first and foremost. Things like regulating fatigue and an approach to progression-even linear-are just the basics that you’ve completely overlooked. How are you going to progress over time going in and doing “6 sets of 12-14” each week? You should have a template and idea of progression for weeks to come, for example (NOT recommending this as your template, just giving you an idea of how things could look instead of one random rep “range” and that’s all:

Week 1 - 4 sets of 12 @ 50%
Week 2 - 5 sets of 12 "
Week 3 - 4 sets of 12 +2.5% from baseline
Week 4 - 5 sets of 12 "
Week 5 - 4 sets of 12 +5% from baseline
Week 6 - 5 sets of 12 "
etc.

You could also take a more linear approach of strictly increasing the weight:

Week 1 - 4 sets of 12 @ 50%
Week 2 - 4 sets of 12 @ 52.5%
Week 3 - 4 sets of 12 @ 55%
Week 4 - 4 sets of 12 @ 57.5%
Week 5 - 4 sets of 12 @ 60%
etc.

Both would be far better for long term progression compared to just going in and doing “X sets of 12-14” each week. Deloads not included but recommended when fatigue accumulates, again, you’ll need to learn how to implement them and when to expect fatigue to be high.

These methods of progression are more catered towards novice/early intermediates, but based on the fact that you’ve been doing a novice program and the template you provided would be for beginners, you’d benefit immensely from following even basic structure like these opposed to what you’ve been doing/were going to do.

Wish I had my post saved from the old boards where I provided resources that teach you how to structure your programming, but sadly it was lost when we migrated here. I can go get you them again if you’d like, but I would need you to confirm your interest in learning so that I’m not wasting my time by providing resources for somebody who doesn’t actually intend to utilize them (heads up: it isn’t something you’ll watch a 3 minute video on and have all of the answers). Let me know if that is something you’re up for, and if it is I’ll follow up in a day or two when I have the time to sit down on my comp and go through my saved links.

One final thing - I would not advise skipping legs/lower body entirely. Your legs may be disproportionately big/strong, but you can absolutely bring up your upper body without neglecting your entire lower body in the process. Your legs don’t need to regress to allow your upper body to catch up.

Apologies if this came off the wrong way - no malice intended, only looking to direct you down the right path.
 

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kingofcarbz" pid='14938' dateline='1527466010:
I don’t find this to be a wise approach whatsoever. I don’t wanna be an asshole and nitpick every last flaw in what you’ve provided, but I would highly recommend going back to the drawing board. Spend some time learning how to write your own programming first and foremost. Things like regulating fatigue and an approach to progression-even linear-are just the basics that you’ve completely overlooked. How are you going to progress over time going in and doing “6 sets of 12-14” each week? You should have a template and idea of progression for weeks to come, for example (NOT recommending this as your template, just giving you an idea of how things could look instead of one random rep “range” and that’s all:

Week 1 - 4 sets of 12 @ 50%
Week 2 - 5 sets of 12 "
Week 3 - 4 sets of 12 +2.5% from baseline
Week 4 - 5 sets of 12 "
Week 5 - 4 sets of 12 +5% from baseline
Week 6 - 5 sets of 12 "
etc.

You could also take a more linear approach of strictly increasing the weight:

Week 1 - 4 sets of 12 @ 50%
Week 2 - 4 sets of 12 @ 52.5%
Week 3 - 4 sets of 12 @ 55%
Week 4 - 4 sets of 12 @ 57.5%
Week 5 - 4 sets of 12 @ 60%
etc.

Both would be far better for long term progression compared to just going in and doing “X sets of 12-14” each week. Deloads not included but recommended when fatigue accumulates, again, you’ll need to learn how to implement them and when to expect fatigue to be high.

These methods of progression are more catered towards novice/early intermediates, but based on the fact that you’ve been doing a novice program and the template you provided would be for beginners, you’d benefit immensely from following even basic structure like these opposed to what you’ve been doing/were going to do.

Wish I had my post saved from the old boards where I provided resources that teach you how to structure your programming, but sadly it was lost when we migrated here. I can go get you them again if you’d like, but I would need you to confirm your interest in learning so that I’m not wasting my time by providing resources for somebody who doesn’t actually intend to utilize them (heads up: it isn’t something you’ll watch a 3 minute video on and have all of the answers). Let me know if that is something you’re up for, and if it is I’ll follow up in a day or two when I have the time to sit down on my comp and go through my saved links.

One final thing - I would not advise skipping legs/lower body entirely. Your legs may be disproportionately big/strong, but you can absolutely bring up your upper body without neglecting your entire lower body in the process. Your legs don’t need to regress to allow your upper body to catch up.

Apologies if this came off the wrong way - no malice intended, only looking to direct you down the right path.
No offence at all taken. What is inherently wrong with progressive overload via increasing the week each week though? Or even increasing the rep range 12 to 14 (another kind of progression). For failure two weeks in a row. I could just take 2.5kg of (or try 12 sets instead of 14) then if that happens twice in a row.It’s what I did for 25 weeks with nsuns and I hit no plateaus.

Sorry if this is coming off as “I know better than you about what I’m doing”, because I absolutely don’t- I’m just trying to let you understand my train of reasoning and proposed plan.

Given my current level, I am under the impression that I can progress weekly at least for half a year. This kind of programming seems (with the very little knowledge I have) very advanced for what is a novice (me)- I’ve only seen this kind of programming for advanced powerlifters. But but by all means I’m willing to be educated about the subject. I just don’t feel confident at all calculating all these percentages, but if you think that video will help, like I say by all means I’m willing to put work into it. I know my 1RM and my “training maxes” (which are 90%) so perhaps that would help? I could also benefit with a spreadsheet/app that does all the maths for me. I have dyscalculia so really what I might benefit from keeping it simple and not have all these percentages messing with my head (hell, I have trouble loading up the weights in the bar without getting confused). But if you think that will greatly improve my progress, then by all means I’m willing to spend time learning about it as you say.

P.S the second schedule you provided- is that not equivalent to adding 2.5kg to the bar? It’s the smallest increment I could add anyway (well, I do have 0.5kg and 1kg plates lying around). But in my mathematically challenged mind, isn’t increasing by 2.5% the same as roooughly adding 2.5kg to the barbell each week?
 
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kingofcarbz" pid='14938' dateline='1527466010:
I don’t find this to be a wise approach whatsoever. I don’t wanna be an asshole and nitpick every last flaw in what you’ve provided, but I would highly recommend going back to the drawing board. Spend some time learning how to write your own programming first and foremost. Things like regulating fatigue and an approach to progression-even linear-are just the basics that you’ve completely overlooked. How are you going to progress over time going in and doing “6 sets of 12-14” each week? You should have a template and idea of progression for weeks to come, for example (NOT recommending this as your template, just giving you an idea of how things could look instead of one random rep “range” and that’s all:

Week 1 - 4 sets of 12 @ 50%
Week 2 - 5 sets of 12 "
Week 3 - 4 sets of 12 +2.5% from baseline
Week 4 - 5 sets of 12 "
Week 5 - 4 sets of 12 +5% from baseline
Week 6 - 5 sets of 12 "
etc.

You could also take a more linear approach of strictly increasing the weight:

Week 1 - 4 sets of 12 @ 50%
Week 2 - 4 sets of 12 @ 52.5%
Week 3 - 4 sets of 12 @ 55%
Week 4 - 4 sets of 12 @ 57.5%
Week 5 - 4 sets of 12 @ 60%
etc.

Both would be far better for long term progression compared to just going in and doing “X sets of 12-14” each week. Deloads not included but recommended when fatigue accumulates, again, you’ll need to learn how to implement them and when to expect fatigue to be high.

These methods of progression are more catered towards novice/early intermediates, but based on the fact that you’ve been doing a novice program and the template you provided would be for beginners, you’d benefit immensely from following even basic structure like these opposed to what you’ve been doing/were going to do.

Wish I had my post saved from the old boards where I provided resources that teach you how to structure your programming, but sadly it was lost when we migrated here. I can go get you them again if you’d like, but I would need you to confirm your interest in learning so that I’m not wasting my time by providing resources for somebody who doesn’t actually intend to utilize them (heads up: it isn’t something you’ll watch a 3 minute video on and have all of the answers). Let me know if that is something you’re up for, and if it is I’ll follow up in a day or two when I have the time to sit down on my comp and go through my saved links.

One final thing - I would not advise skipping legs/lower body entirely. Your legs may be disproportionately big/strong, but you can absolutely bring up your upper body without neglecting your entire lower body in the process. Your legs don’t need to regress to allow your upper body to catch up.

Apologies if this came off the wrong way - no malice intended, only looking to direct you down the right path.
Can you explain your full body workout regime aging?
 
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Septicanon" pid='14873' dateline='1527431119:
So I’ve been on nsuns for 25 weeks and results have been shit, aesthetically speaking, despite the use of hypertrophy accesories. I look like a trex fridge, basically. Since legs need a break I’ve come up with this:
https://pastebin.com/fQqudu2w
Any suggestions? Thanks.
Sad to be leaving nsuns as I’ve been LP every week almost, but results speak for themselves.
Get a coach. That’s too much volume, no fatigue decay or regulation, no adaptation response - You’ll stagnate quickly and overload your CNS.

Even on all the gear you’re still talking about 40+ sets per workout on a 6 day split. Overtraining straight linear volume like that isn’t gonna get you where you want to go.

I wont pretend to know how to build a bodybuilding split (competitive powerlifter) but I know enough about programming to cringe looking at that.

Find someone with some athletes that are accomplishing what you want to accomplish and go hire them.
 
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@“kingofcarbz” I’d be interested in reading any info on structuring programs. I think the community as a whole would as well. Just my .02$
 
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strongfat619" pid='15322' dateline='1527810077:
Septicanon" pid='14873' dateline='1527431119:
So I’ve been on nsuns for 25 weeks and results have been shit, aesthetically speaking, despite the use of hypertrophy accesories. I look like a trex fridge, basically. Since legs need a break I’ve come up with this:
https://pastebin.com/fQqudu2w
Any suggestions? Thanks.
Sad to be leaving nsuns as I’ve been LP every week almost, but results speak for themselves.
Get a coach. That’s too much volume, no fatigue decay or regulation, no adaptation response - You’ll stagnate quickly and overload your CNS.

Even on all the gear you’re still talking about 40+ sets per workout on a 6 day split. Overtraining straight linear volume like that isn’t gonna get you where you want to go.

I wont pretend to know how to build a bodybuilding split (competitive powerlifter) but I know enough about programming to cringe looking at that.

Find someone with some athletes that are accomplishing what you want to accomplish and go hire them.
I would but not really possible at this point- I’m moving cities in 3-4 months time, perhaps when I move though.

re: volume, you have to understand I come from doing nsuns, which STARTS your workout by doing 20-30 sets of compound lifts, before moving on to four accessories, 5x a week. I’ve been on this for a week and have yet to see fatigue. From what I’ve been told, overtraining on steroids is a meme- there’s just undereating and underresting. If I feel fine day in day out then I’m not going to limit myself before a problem arises. If I feel worn out after adjusting for eating and sleeping then yeah, but why fix what ain’t broke?
 
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