Running 19-nor's and side management

[Azrael]

Curious about sides and the compounds to control them while running things like Deca/Tren/NPP, so I have some questions for those with more experience.
Do you guys run p5p through the whole cycle, and at what dose?
How do you know when it's time to take Caber? What are the signs one should look out for?
What dose and for how long do you take Caber?
Thoughts on 2:1 Test/Deca dosing? Old out of date information or solid advice?

What other advice would you give to someone looking to run a 19-nor in their next cycle?

 

[Sierracon99]

I take caber throughout to combat prolactin relates issues. I don't wait to have the problem. I will take either .25mg or .5mg twice a week. Let's say Monday and Thursday etc. I've had the sides before and they aren't fun, decadick, trendick, whatever wanna call ed. Personally I don't see why anyone would wait to take anything to help manage sides until they show up, the week I start a blast is the week I start running asin, caber, etc.

 

[Azrael]

Interesting...
I have just heard people say that caber is pretty heavy stuff and you do not want to use it unless you absolutely have to. (i.e. your nips start leaking or your dick wont work)

 

[Sierracon99]

Interesting...
I have just heard people say that caber is pretty heavy stuff and you do not want to use it unless you absolutely have to. (i.e. your nips start leaking or your dick wont work)

Well, even if it is 'heavy' which I don't consider it, .25mg x 2wk is a pretty low dose, especially when the alternative would be what you typed out above.

 

[JamesDoe350]

ive been on npp for awhile now. personally i love the compound. ran it high to 400mg weekly and i had dick issues. i only take an ai, arimisin, but my test was 500. got a coach and he kicked me down to 150 npp and 500 test and the dick is better. they said 1/3 npp to test and you SHOULD be fine. would be interested in looking into caber though. but i dont want two ai, caber is just for prolactin issues? like milk coming from your nips right?

thanks @Sierracon99

 

[Sierracon99]

Asin is for estro and caber is for prolactin. You run 19nors and yes you will probably need to take something to combat the sides. 150mg of npp is kinda low for my tastes, but yeah to each his own, but think you have caber on hand and that 1/3 bs can go out the window and you can run a higher dose and manage it just fine. The milk coming from your nipples shit is worse case scenario but yeah stuff like that. The most common is ed issues though. All these comments about 'oh I heard this from whoever' annoy me to no end, before you write that on here do yourself a favor and simply look it up and do a bit of reading, mfers at the gym are fucking morons 95% of the time and if you guys are younger as well multiply that a few times over.

 

[JamesDoe350]

Asin is for estro and caber is for prolactin. You run 19nors and yes you will probably need to take something to combat the sides. 150mg of npp is kinda low for my tastes, but yeah to each his own, but think you have caber on hand and that 1/3 bs can go out the window and you can run a higher dose and manage it just fine. The milk coming from your nipples shit is worse case scenario but yeah stuff like that. The most common is ed issues though. All these comments about 'oh I heard this from whoever' annoy me to no end, before you write that on here do yourself a favor and simply look it up and do a bit of reading, mfers at the gym are fucking morons 95% of the time and if you guys are younger as well multiply that a few times over.

im not sure if youre lecturing me or not but once i cut my npp to 150 a week my dick works better. again, like you said, to each their own we all respond differently. im just trying to get more info on caber. yes, i will look everything up and do my own research cause idk you and ill back my info up. ANYWAYS, my understanding of CABER was that is ONLY helps with reducing the milk production. i didnt know it helped with ed.

do you blast whatever dose of npp and test and you ONLY take caber, or you take another ai?
thanks.

 

[Sierracon99]

im not sure if youre lecturing me or not but once i cut my npp to 150 a week my dick works better. again, like you said, to each their own we all respond differently. im just trying to get more info on caber. yes, i will look everything up and do my own research cause idk you and ill back my info up. ANYWAYS, my understanding of CABER was that is ONLY helps with reducing the milk production. i didnt know it helped with ed.

do you blast whatever dose of npp and test and you ONLY take caber, or you take another ai?
thanks.

Who cares if we know eachother, I'm not gonna give shitty uninformed advice on here anyways. This milk shit you keep bringing up is kinda funny though. Here check it out, literally Google 'high prolactin side effects in men' then 'high prolactin caber treatment' it'll take a few minutes and you'll get a pretty good basic understanding why it's effective and what for. Also to answer your question. Yes in any blast I run that includes test, and any 19nor I am running asin and caber as well. Asin is to regulate your estrogen levels and caber your prolactin levels, both of which are important to keep in check. It's not running 2 AIs asin is an aromatase inhibitor and caber is a dopamine agonist. No lecturing just wanting to help a bro out and understand some shit cause you sound a bit misinformed.

 

[deathcore]

Interesting...
I have just heard people say that caber is pretty heavy stuff and you do not want to use it unless you absolutely have to. (i.e. your nips start leaking or your dick wont work)

You want to avoid it as much as you can, some people pop them like candy without any prolactin issues and it's just an invitation for the unwanted risks associated with the drug.

In my experience, just being extra diligent with estrogen control when adding a 19nor and adding p5p on top works just fine. I run 200mg and that's enough for me.

re: ratio, it'll be up to your experimentation to get your optimal ratio. I've tried all combos and 750 test to 300-200 deca works the best for me. I have tried the opposite and wasn't too much of a fan (no ED though, managed estrogen all the way through). On the other hand, high tren vs test works wonders for me.

 

[JamesDoe350]

Who cares if we know eachother, I'm not gonna give shitty uninformed advice on here anyways. This milk shit you keep bringing up is kinda funny though. Here check it out, literally Google 'high prolactin side effects in men' then 'high prolactin caber treatment' it'll take a few minutes and you'll get a pretty good basic understanding why it's effective and what for. Also to answer your question. Yes in any blast I run that includes test, and any 19nor I am running asin and caber as well. Asin is to regulate your estrogen levels and caber your prolactin levels, both of which are important to keep in check. It's not running 2 AIs asin is an aromatase inhibitor and caber is a dopamine agonist. No lecturing just wanting to help a bro out and understand some shit cause you sound a bit misinformed.

im not misinformed. im uneducated about caber which is why im talking to you about it. lol i got some more info last night. i just didnt know if i could run them together. never heard of people running them together. thats why i asked you the questions in the first place. everyone lies about their cycles, rather its the compounds they are on or the amount they take and agian, i havent heard anyone say yes you can. i always here IF YOU HAVE DICK ISSUES YOU COULD RUN CABER. lol im just here to ask questions and learn. thanks for the input

 

[newbieforever2016]

I am not a medical professional nor shall I pretend to have authored a thesis on the subject but I do not follow the more is better philosophy. Back when nandrolone was commonly prescribed for medical issues the dose averaged 200mg/week with no caber and that is exactly what I do spread out over two 100mg doses per week on top of my testosterone. Caber is not chewing gum. It has its own negatives so why introduce it into the picture if not necessary? 200mg/week is a low dose for npp yet it still seems to assist the testosterone and at less androgenic cost to the body. If you are using it at a higher dose , having milk or nipple issues then go for it but until then leave well enough alone imho.

 

[Azrael]

that is exactly what I do spread out over two 100mg doses per week on top of my testosterone.

This is what I am planning on doing. I just follow the rule of having AI on hand in case you need them. I ran a cycle of Deca back in college and had no issues (not even Deca dick) but I was not using a test base, now I am on TRT as opposed to the M1T I ran with the Deca then. (yes, I now know how bad that is for my liver, no I would not do it again. lol)

 

[Luxferro]

Here’s a crazy idea:

Don’t run 19-Nors.

Are you competing? Do you need to use Tren for a contest prep? Not worth it at all.

Nandrolone is 11x more cardiotoxic than test. Caber is also cardiotoxic. At least use prami for prolactin since it’s less cardiotoxic.

Or, just don’t run drugs that require a shit load of ancillaries. You’re telling me you can’t make progress on Test + DHT derivatives?

 

[JamesDoe350]

Here’s a crazy idea:

Don’t run 19-Nors.

Are you competing? Do you need to use Tren for a contest prep? Not worth it at all.

Nandrolone is 11x more cardiotoxic than test. Caber is also cardiotoxic. At least use prami for prolactin since it’s less cardiotoxic.

Or, just don’t run drugs that require a shit load of ancillaries. You’re telling me you can’t make progress on Test + DHT derivatives?

but i have 100g worth of npp raws in my closet

 

[Pooplord420]

IMO none of the 19 nors are worth the side effects. And the only right way to run them while keeping your health (somewhat) in check is by doing bloodwork before you start, every 2 weeks while you’re running them, and after you stop. Popping ancillaries like candy as a preventative measure for all the fucked up shit tren is doing to your body is stupid and not a sustainable way at all to run these compounds. Stick to Test and anavar, if your diet and training is in check you really shouldn’t need anything else, ESPECIALLY if you’re not competing.

 

[gains3000]

Nandrolone LOWERS prolactin compared to Testosterone. TREN lowers prolactin used alone.

 

[Sierracon99]

im not misinformed. im uneducated about caber which is why im talking to you about it. lol i got some more info last night. i just didnt know if i could run them together. never heard of people running them together. thats why i asked you the questions in the first place. everyone lies about their cycles, rather its the compounds they are on or the amount they take and agian, i havent heard anyone say yes you can. i always here IF YOU HAVE DICK ISSUES YOU COULD RUN CABER. lol im just here to ask questions and learn. thanks for the input

Yeah i get it, sometimes there are the over zealous types who are on their 2nd cycle ever who just regurgitate info to come off as some experienced user. Me currently I'm on test/tren/dhb 750/600/450 weekly, 3ius gh/ed, .25mg caber/e3.5d, 12.5mg asin/eod. Been at it for about 6years or so and definitely had some crazy blasts when I was active in bodybuilding and powerlifting. This one isn't light whatsoever and I'm attempting to hit a 500lbs benchpress - hit 455 pretty easy the other day - so hopefully my advice wasn't taken the wrong way when things you had mentioned weren't necessarily accurate about caber etc. Just bros trying to help bros but the knuckleheads spew out stupid shit sometimes so things get lost in translation.

 

[Gettingolder]

Dont know about you guys but caber enhanced my already crazy harem sex dreams about 5 fold when I needed it 5-6 years ago while running a pretty big cycle.

 

[JamesDoe350]

Yeah i get it, sometimes there are the over zealous types who are on their 2nd cycle ever who just regurgitate info to come off as some experienced user. Me currently I'm on test/tren/dhb 750/600/450 weekly, 3ius gh/ed, .25mg caber/e3.5d, 12.5mg asin/eod. Been at it for about 6years or so and definitely had some crazy blasts when I was active in bodybuilding and powerlifting. This one isn't light whatsoever and I'm attempting to hit a 500lbs benchpress - hit 455 pretty easy the other day - so hopefully my advice wasn't taken the wrong way when things you had mentioned weren't necessarily accurate about caber etc. Just bros trying to help bros but the knuckleheads spew out stupid shit sometimes so things get lost in translation.

what are your stats right now? height, weight, big three lifts, if you do them, got pics of your physic? how do you like the GH? i have a coach but im scared he wont put me on gh even though before i signed with him i told him i wanted gh and slin. thanks for your update and stuff on your cycles. love talking about it.

do you get your gh from here? what do you think about "pharma" vs "generic"? my thought is if i produce the same why pay 4x more.

 

[Sierracon99]

what are your stats right now? height, weight, big three lifts, if you do them, got pics of your physic? how do you like the GH? i have a coach but im scared he wont put me on gh even though before i signed with him i told him i wanted gh and slin. thanks for your update and stuff on your cycles. love talking about it.

do you get your gh from here? what do you think about "pharma" vs "generic"? my thought is if i produce the same why pay 4x more.

I'm 6'1 270 roughly 12-15%bf bench: 455 squat: 605 dead: 705. I do have pics, let me try to attach a few. I've been running gh awhile and my dose is closer towards medicinal uses, but it's definitely something I enjoy, great healthy skin, my mid section is pretty tight even at my weight (I have a 6pk somehow lol), i great great pumps, my likelihood of injury is cut down, etc. I can go into bone density and so on, but it's not like I can tell just by feels. I use generic black tops mostly and have had great results from @GoodLyfe and more recently @viper-flex don't mess with insulin because I'm not competing anymore but gh is a staple for me now. Obviously if you go pharma the purity will be top notch but these guys on here do testing and for the price you can't beat it, I don't know about you but paying pharma prices is hard so I get what I can but I'm happy with the results. I couldn't resize the squat one but here's a few, oh and thats me training with i think 675 on dead? Maybe 645, cant tell.