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Should I get on TRT?

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Im done with my first cycle of test E. I realized how much my life improved having higher test levels. I’m thinking about getting on TRT. My natural baseline is 494ng/dL (total). I want to get it to at least 700-900 with a therapeutic dose of TRT while also blasting 1-2x a year. I hate the fact that I have to PCT every cycle, I’d rather blast and cruise.

Am I retarded for thinking about getting on TRT at 27 years old?

Can someone tell me why this is a good idea or why this is a bad idea?

I do want kids when I hit my 30’s … will this be a problem if I’m on TRT?
 

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Im done with my first cycle of test E. I realized how much my life improved having higher test levels. I’m thinking about getting on TRT. My natural baseline is 494ng/dL (total). I want to get it to at least 700-900 with a therapeutic dose of TRT while also blasting 1-2x a year. I hate the fact that I have to PCT every cycle, I’d rather blast and cruise.

Am I retarded for thinking about getting on TRT at 27 years old?

Can someone tell me why this is a good idea or why this is a bad idea?

I do want kids when I hit my 30’s … will this be a problem if I’m on TRT?
Not happy with the responses you got on meso?
 

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I mean... it's your decision (and the doctors) I was prescribed TRT at 27 when my test levels were consistently low and I've been on it since (I'm 30 about to be 31 ) I don't know what responses u got on Meso nor do I really care - but just do your research and of course bloodwork and go to an actual Endocrinologist or Urologist if it's a concern for you. I get it from an endocrinologist - they tried to give me clomid to raise my test and then tried to suggest test creams but I prefer the old fashioned tried and true so I do injection.
 

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I mean... it's your decision (and the doctors) I was prescribed TRT at 27 when my test levels were consistently low and I've been on it since (I'm 30 about to be 31 ) I don't know what responses u got on Meso nor do I really care - but just do your research and of course bloodwork and go to an actual Endocrinologist or Urologist if it's a concern for you. I get it from an endocrinologist - they tried to give me clomid to raise my test and then tried to suggest test creams but I prefer the old fashioned tried and true so I do injection.
oh and by the way since I've been on TRT I have gotten 2 women pregnant sooo idk if I just have good sperm mobility or something
 

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Not happy with the responses you got on meso?
I just wanted to hear more responses from different people. I posted on Reddit as well to get the most information as possible from as many people as possible to really look at it from all angles and prospectives before I make a life changing decision.
 

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I mean... it's your decision (and the doctors) I was prescribed TRT at 27 when my test levels were consistently low and I've been on it since (I'm 30 about to be 31 ) I don't know what responses u got on Meso nor do I really care - but just do your research and of course bloodwork and go to an actual Endocrinologist or Urologist if it's a concern for you. I get it from an endocrinologist - they tried to give me clomid to raise my test and then tried to suggest test creams but I prefer the old fashioned tried and true so I do injection.
Thanks for sharing. Yeah, mostly everyone on meso said I should get on TRT. I just wanted to hear more opinions. I kinda just wanted to hear what people think about high 400s total T and see if anyone else also thought that was low for my age. I have an appointment with the endo in a few weeks actually. Most people have been telling me they won’t do anything for me. They will do a blood test and as long as my test isn’t in the 200s they won’t even budge and they said just go to a TRT clinic. But I’m going for my appointment anyway because I want them to do bloods and check everything first before I make any decisions to go to a TRT clinic
 

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494 is still average. Could be higher? Yes. But maybe at your age do some lifestyle changes. Wouldn’t hop on trt until you around 200. Bet if you get constant good sleep you’d be hitting near 600, just from sleep.

Or if you set on making this a part of your life (constant pinning/blood work), fuck it and get with the program. Why live an average life right?

It’ll probably be difficult though to convince a doc to prescribe you with those levels
 

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I mean... it's your decision (and the doctors) I was prescribed TRT at 27 when my test levels were consistently low and I've been on it since (I'm 30 about to be 31 ) I don't know what responses u got on Meso nor do I really care - but just do your research and of course bloodwork and go to an actual Endocrinologist or Urologist if it's a concern for you. I get it from an endocrinologist - they tried to give me clomid to raise my test and then tried to suggest test creams but I prefer the old fashioned tried and true so I do injection.
Your physiology and anatomy and biochemistry both exhibited naturally or enhanced is never anyone’s decision but that of their own. Your biology is never to be decided by nobody else but yourself, not even a doctor. Always remember that.
 

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494 is still average. Could be higher? Yes. But maybe at your age do some lifestyle changes. Wouldn’t hop on trt until you around 200. Bet if you get constant good sleep you’d be hitting near 600, just from sleep.

Or if you set on making this a part of your life (constant pinning/blood work), fuck it and get with the program. Why live an average life right?

It’ll probably be difficult though to convince a doc to prescribe you with those levels
Exogenous testosterone administration will always be far superior than endogenous production becuase your blood concentration levels will be far more steady and optimal than otherwise, naturally.

So you can’t really compare it to sleep quality because any jump in testosterone isn’t going to be experienced the same as exogenous administration. This is because naturally the body produces testosterone in a pulsatile frequency.

Even if both outcomes showcase the same blood levels. Having levels of 600 test that’s naturally produced just from improving overall sleep quality will feel hypogonadal compared to having 600 test exogenously influenced, via self administration of the compound, regardless of overall sleep quality.

This is because once you reach peak blood concentration levels you stay at those levels instead of having fluctuating levels above/ below baseline, experienced as peaks and valleys, as is so from natural steroidogenesis.
 

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Have you ever thought about making use of Gonadotropins with DHT?

Thinking of something self administered like HCG alongside the application of topical DHT?

That is in my opinion something to look into because it seems like that could be a decent combo of pharmacology that offers the total health optimization benefits you’re looking to obtain from traditional TRT.
 

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Your physiology and anatomy and biochemistry both exhibited naturally or enhanced is never anyone’s decision but that of their own. Your biology is never to be decided by nobody else but yourself, not even a doctor. Always remember that.
of course - I don't always agree with the doctors in my case I had a test reading of 4 ng/dl and then it was consistently around the 200 mark.

I was the one who ultimately made the decision but the decision to write the prescription was the doctors so I think you misinterpreted what I wrote.

one of the only issues I have with them mainly is they will not give me a script for a AI even tho my estrogen is always high even from a low dose and Id rather them give it to me so they don't think it's normal if I were to buy it off here for example and then they see the bloodwork and don't think I need it
 

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494 is still average. Could be higher? Yes. But maybe at your age do some lifestyle changes. Wouldn’t hop on trt until you around 200. Bet if you get constant good sleep you’d be hitting near 600, just from sleep.

Or if you set on making this a part of your life (constant pinning/blood work), fuck it and get with the program. Why live an average life right?

It’ll probably be difficult though to convince a doc to prescribe you with those levels
What lifestyle changes do you suggest? I actually have a great sleep schedule. I get about 9 hours a night. I eat clean and hit the gym 6 times a week every morning for a 2-3 hour long sesh.

Yeah, I heard TRT clinics will prescribe T if you’re under like 600 ng/dL

Maybe I’ll just keep doing cycles with PCT for now and see where my T levels are until a few years from now. I hate PCT. Nolvadex just kills my sex drive and makes me feel lazy af and takes away my confidence.
 

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What lifestyle changes do you suggest? I actually have a great sleep schedule. I get about 9 hours a night. I eat clean and hit the gym 6 times a week every morning for a 2-3 hour long sesh.

Yeah, I heard TRT clinics will prescribe T if you’re under like 600 ng/dL

Maybe I’ll just keep doing cycles with PCT for now and see where my T levels are until a few years from now. I hate PCT. Nolvadex just kills my sex drive and makes me feel lazy af and takes away my confidence.
dude I'm not saying you should or shouldn't try to get a prescription but even though the other person said like take doctors advice with a grain of salt if you really want to see if you even can get it prescribed I would just go to the doctor and see if they determine if you would actually benefit from it.

all the people who are giving advice myself included, are just basically giving anecdotal opinions about their personal experience like mine is different from yours and theirs is going to be different from yours so you can't really ask people for their opinion you just have to go do your research and go based on your gut instinct to be honest. not everybody's body is the same not everybody's body reacts the same and not everybody's dosage will fit everybody you know it's a very much experimental almost thing and it's not like if you go on it you have to be on it forever I don't know where that came from because that's not true at least in my case I've had been off of it for like 6 months and was able to recover so not saying everybody can but just have to listen to your body and do blood work just like what everybody always preaches basically
 

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of course - I don't always agree with the doctors in my case I had a test reading of 4 ng/dl and then it was consistently around the 200 mark.

I was the one who ultimately made the decision but the decision to write the prescription was the doctors so I think you misinterpreted what I wrote.

one of the only issues I have with them mainly is they will not give me a script for a AI even tho my estrogen is always high even from a low dose and Id rather them give it to me so they don't think it's normal if I were to buy it off here for example and then they see the bloodwork and don't think I need it

Even the doctor writing the prescription…it’s still not their decision. Here’s a little known secret the medical field doesn’t want you to know. The way the doctor diagnoses and prescribes their patients is the decisions agreed upon between the doctor and pharmaceutical company they shook hands and made a deal with.

This is why you can see so many different doctors for the same exact symptoms, run the same exact testing, have the same exact results, and be diagnosed and prescribed differently.

It’s not because of the “medical school” they wasted their time in. It’s because of the business deals the pharmaceutical reps made with the doctors.

Basically, the doctor is getting “X” amount of dollars in exchange for prescribing “Y” drug for “Z” symptoms. I’m not going to go into the politics and morality of this because that’s not fair to you or anyone browsing this thread as it is considered conspiratorial (no matter how conspicuous) and sways off topic from the original context of your post.

But even so, this is most likely why you’re not being prescribed an aromatase inhibitor. Even when asking for one. I mean the fact that you can inform your doctor of your concern, actually see cause for it in your fucking blood markers, and have an above average knowledgeable conversation with them on the reason for wanting to be prescribed an AI, and still not be prescribed is just full exemplification on how fucking full of shit the medical system actually is.

You’re literally telling your doctor symptoms, what you think those symptoms might be caused from, actually have physiological evidence for it in your blood markers, and still be shut down for a medication that can treat it…yet they have no problem prescribing you the compound that will increase those symptoms…

Imagine sitting down in a restaurant at a table and the waiter keeps bringing you a glass of water even though you told the waiter you don’t need anymore water, and before you know it you have a table littered with glasses of water because you were thirsty when you arrived…that’s the fucking medical system.

I didn’t misunderstand you. I understand completely. And I further stand by my statement. Nobody not even a fucking doctor makes decisions over your physiology. Writing a prescription is not with your best interest in mind, it’s for profit. It’s conniving. It’s for treating and managing slaves to the matrix. The medical field, primary care physicians, doctors, all of it is nothing more than what factory farming is to cattle, except it’s for people. You’re the cattle in that narrative. The prescription is their branding.

If your doctor is going to ignore e2 markers and not be prescribing an AI, chances are they’re gonna ignore your e2 markers if you used an AI that you sourced yourself without a prescription. Just my 2 cents.
 

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oh and by the way since I've been on TRT I have gotten 2 women pregnant sooo idk if I just have good sperm mobility or something
No one’s going to say it…fuck it then I’ll say it! You fucked two girls who got pregnant from fucking other dudes without telling you while you were on TRT.

Hopefully, you’re not like most who end up raising a child that’s not even theirs or worse! paying child support for somebody else's fucking kid while paying her to jump up and down on somebody else’s fucking dick.

There’s a real business model there that cunts take advantage of. And it’s weak men who fall victim into its trap.

A red flag that baffles me is when I come across some dude who’s dating or even engaged or full on fucking married to some dumb bitch empty headed fucking conniving cunt who’s already got 2 or more divorces under her belt with two or more kids that are the loin of two or more dudes…dudes who are now paying that fucking cunt to be with you. And then it’s on to the next one.

The pussy is a powerful piece of biological machinery developed by nature. The things it can hijack a man into doing…thinking…feeling…it’s like a fucking parasite, except you just need to crave it for it to actually have an effect that can overtake the man’s operating system.
 

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No one’s going to say it…fuck it then I’ll say it! You fucked two girls who got pregnant from fucking other dudes without telling you while you were on TRT.

Hopefully, you’re not like most who end up raising a child that’s not even theirs or worse! paying child support for somebody else's fucking kid while paying her to jump up and down on somebody else’s fucking dick.

There’s a real business model there that cunts take advantage of. And it’s weak men who fall victim into its trap.

A red flag that baffles me is when I come across some dude who’s dating or even engaged or full on fucking married to some dumb bitch empty headed fucking conniving cunt who’s already got 2 or more divorces under her belt with two or more kids that are the loin of two or more dudes…dudes who are now paying that fucking cunt to be with you. And then it’s on to the next one.

The pussy is a powerful piece of biological machinery developed by nature. The things it can hijack a man into doing…thinking…feeling…it’s like a fucking parasite, except you just need to crave it for it to actually have an effect that can overtake the man’s operating system.
are u ok man? too much tren ?

sounds like you're taking care of someones kid based on your response lol.

as hilarious as your response was your response about doctors being paid by the pharmaceutical companies to basically prescribe certain things I actually agree with you on that but you don't know anything about my personal life except what I stated so to make such a bold assumption is kind of hilarious I get that that's what you want to be true but I didn't go into more specific so I'm not sure how you believe that to be the case.

but personal stuff aside I think you made a good point about the doctor prescription part. you do sound like you probably need to lower the dose of whatever you're on
 
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are u ok man? too much tren ?

sounds like you're taking care of someones kid based on your response lol.

as hilarious as your response was your response about doctors being paid by the pharmaceutical companies to basically prescribe certain things I actually agree with you on that but you don't know anything about my personal life except what I stated so to make such a bold assumption is kind of hilarious I get that that's what you want to be true but I didn't go into more specific so I'm not sure how you believe that to be the case.

but personal stuff aside I think you made a good point about the doctor prescription part. you do sound like you probably need to lower the dose of whatever you're on
I’m not on anything hahaha

As for the bold statement part. Although, yes…I was direct towards your situation…I was actually speaking from a general physiological lens, and using your situation as a reason to surface up something that’s basic physiology. Unfortunately, it’s something that happens frequently, yet usually unnoticed because of the sheer lack in understanding of it.

Now does the situational experiences I exemplified mean that’s what happened to you?

Not my place to say because you’re right I don’t know anything about you or the situation you brought up.

However, taking you outta context and just speaking from a physiological lens. Objectively observing physiological function and the practical application of exogenous testosterone replacement therapy and its methodology, even with the use of something like an LH mimic, it’s physiologically impossible to breed. Having functional testicles isn’t the same as having fertility. If you want to take that personally, that’s on you.

If you ask me, is it possible for a man to get a girl pregnant while blasting TRT?

I’d tell you it’s impossible.

If you followed up with stating the man actually had two kids from two different females while blasting TRT…

I’d respond to you, Jesus was born from a virgin mother…believe what you will.

I’m not seeking out to cause problems or hurt anyone’s feelings. I’m not saying that’s what happened here, I’m just saying.

And so, my statement is practical. It’s well thought and referenced by actual known physiological function and mechanisms that have been observed and deemed factually accurate. And so my statement, it’s irrefutable. There’s nothing to debate about it, just like there’s no debate for oxygen and breathing. It’s simply physiology and observing the functions of it.

Now anything after the physiology aspect, in terms of the female being a conniving empty headed cunt weaving her web of deceit as she preys on her next victim, which happens to be the weak and the wounded, the vulnerable, the weak minded men…that’s for sure all up in the air for speculation, and is debatable because there’s no real way to know unless you’re the cunt in that situation, or until you catch the cunt in that situation…now obviously, that doesn’t mean that’s what your situation is. And that’s where my statement adapts from factuality to pure speculation.

It’s entirely possible the two females you think you got pregnant actually were just weak minded females that couldn’t bear the horns of the bull, if you will, in telling you that the kids are actually someone else’s because it hurts her more to tell you she cheated on you behind your back. And so she’s destroyed by her guilt.

That’s something that happens a lot too, where by accident the dumb bitch gets knocked up behind your back, but doesn’t have the heart to tell you, and stays with you the entirety raising the kid, and you don’t know shit, and you think and believe in the little fucker being your little fucker, but truthfully is another dude’s little fucker, but you’re clueless, the kid is clueless, and the dumb bitch isn’t saying shit, and everything and everyone is happy…that’s possible too.

Or another situation is an abortion happens and she never tells you about it. Still keeps fucking other dudes behind your back. Maybe gets knocked up a few more times, but she handles it herself and gets it taken care of. All without having any sympathy in your regard or empathy because that’s a dumb bitch that’s not conniving, but cold. A cold hearted dumb bitch. A dumb bitch with a heart that’s as cold as a goddam fucking ice box…

I mean there’s so many possibilities of reason with something like that and so it’s really anyone’s guess. So I don’t know what your situation was like, and that doesn’t matter to me, but what I do know is that you didn’t knock up any bitch while being on TRT, let alone two bitches. That’s just physiology.

I mean if I was walking around thinking I got some bitch pregnant while I’m blasting at least 200mgs of exogenous testosterone, especially if I was in a situation where I’m being gaslighted into believing in the kid being my kid, and someone knew otherwise I’d like for that someone to say something.

And so I guess this is that someone saying something.

Bro…you can believe whatever you want, lots of people believe Jesus was born from a virgin, doesn’t mean it’s true. Physiology, just a basic understanding in it will tell you why you didn’t knock a bitch up especially twice while being on TRT.

And that’s the interesting thing about belief systems is that they only exist when you don’t know something is real, but for whatever reason need to act as if you know that something is real.

For example, you don’t believe the bitch was pregnant because you know it. You saw it. The bitch was pregnant. And so you would never say “I believe in her pregnancy” instead you’d say something like, she’s pregnant.

Anything after that is a belief because truthfully you have no idea. And so you believe her when she tells you she’s pregnant, in the idea that it’s you that got her pregnant because in your mind, who the fuck else would it be that got her pregnant!? because of another belief you had in the idea of her never cheating on you.

And so just like how a liar will protect a lie with another lie, a belief is protected by another belief, and it’s that carefully designed framework that constructs the matrix’s diabolical program, the belief system.

And I say diabolical because believing in something is because of avoiding something that is too much to bear. And so it’s automatically destructive.

Where people tend to confuse this is when they think they are believing in themselves. When actually they’re affirming in themselves. Affirming is building. Whereas believing is demolition. Think about it. You only believe in the negative things of yourself while affirming only the positive things in yourself. For example you’d never affirm “I’m not good enough.” But you’ll believe in it. So you believe you’re not good enough. Where as you’d affirm “I’m good enough.” But you won’t believe in it. And so you affirm being good enough.

I guess I’m apologizing without apologizing because I’m truthfully not sorry if what I said was offensive because seeking out to hurt others is never my starting point. And so if there’s any offense taken from the things I said, it’s a you thing. Has nothing to do with me. And so I can’t apologize. But at the same time I don’t want you to feel negatively impacted either. So apologizing without apologizing…a fucking walking-talking paradox…me…I know.

Clearly, not on tren! Took a handful of kratom and smoked a fatty with some cbd flower infused with delta 8 though :D
 

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I wasn't personally offended you seem to just type a lot about nothing really. but do you man whatever makes u happy I guess. I take 100 mg of test cyp. a week I don't know how u would call that blasting lol.

but not even gonna bother reading your long response. I skimmed it briefly, but I'll let u enjoy talking to yourself to make yourself feel better
 

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I wasn't personally offended you seem to just type a lot about nothing really. but do you man whatever makes u happy I guess. I take 100 mg of test cyp. a week I don't know how u would call that blasting lol.

but not even gonna bother reading your long response. I skimmed it briefly, but I'll let u enjoy talking to yourself to make yourself feel better
It’s blatantly obvious you actually read through it entirely and not just skimmed it. Like bloody hell it is. Yeah. Right! It is! Damn right it is. That’s what I’m saying. It’s bloody obvious for like bloody hell it is, that is, with total certainty, that you read it. All of it.
 
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Im done with my first cycle of test E. I realized how much my life improved having higher test levels. I’m thinking about getting on TRT. My natural baseline is 494ng/dL (total). I want to get it to at least 700-900 with a therapeutic dose of TRT while also blasting 1-2x a year. I hate the fact that I have to PCT every cycle, I’d rather blast and cruise.

Am I retarded for thinking about getting on TRT at 27 years old?

Can someone tell me why this is a good idea or why this is a bad idea?

I do want kids when I hit my 30’s … will this be a problem if I’m on TRT?
Yes, yes you should.

All men over 25+ should be on TRT, especially White/Asian/Latin men. If this group of men were all on TRT at 25+ watch how fast the worlds problems would practically disappear
 
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