Sourcing gear in the US -- Pharma vs. UGL

[Hannibol]

Recently came across this video from Guru Ameen about issues surrounding sourcing UGL gear in the US, and thought it might be insightful to open a dialogue about it in this community:

I’m a relative newcomer to sourcing gear (only 2 cycles deep), and have used SST since the reddit days. I was a fan of how many measures were set up to not only verify sources but to uphold the quality of their output. Even so, there is an undeniable element of the unknown when sourcing from UGL. A gym buddy told me the other day that he uses napsgear to source, and that he knows a few pros who do as well. I visited the site and was surprised at how minimal the access security was. Where do the pros go to source their gear? Do they even mess with UGL?

 

[DMLABS]

99% of IFBB pros use UGL gear. 99% of IFBB pros also live paycheck to paycheck just like everyone else. Don’t let IG fool you.

DML

 

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99% of IFBB pros use UGL gear. 99% of IFBB pros also live paycheck to paycheck just like everyone else. Don’t let IG fool you.

DML

Yeah it’s pretty unfortunate. There are a few ifbb pro bodybuilders at my gym and when I see their vehicles in the parking lot it’s kind of embarrassing. One makes a good amount of YouTube videos and has a nice IG following but his place (it seems like it’s just an apartment) looks like it’s nothing special at all. Idk how so many people have the perception that they’re mostly like guys in the NFL, MLB, NBA (paid well even if they kinda suck) because it’s really only a small handful that live really well.

 

[10gramsuvtrenEOD]

its obviously not about the money folks

 

[SimoHayha]

What gear other then like test, deca, and anavar even exists as pharma grade? as far as I know most compounds arent even available in the “pharma grade” standard. Thats why I roll my eyes when people say the camel crew has this awesome pharma grade gear and thats why everyone is huge.

 

[Hannibol]

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What gear other then like test, deca, and anavar even exists as pharma grade? as far as I know most compounds arent even available in the “pharma grade” standard. Thats why I roll my eyes when people say the camel crew has this awesome pharma grade gear and thats why everyone is huge.

Test, Deca, Anavar, Proviron, Masteron (rarely prescribed anymore, but it still exists as pharm grade), HGH, and a few others exist in the US. Pharmaceutical companies that supply other countries don’t have to abide by the US laws surrounding pharmaceuticals, so I would imagine accessibility and distribution is quite different.

 

[PissedPajamas]

FWIW my T levels on compounded Test C from my TRT clinic were exactly the same as my T levels on UGL gear from a source here. With that being said I’d always prefer to go with pharma T as there’s less margin for error

 

[jackson5]

i was on prescribed trt and my multiple was 8.5x. when i get properly brewed test its 8.5x. when its underdosed i know. since ip gear and gauls left back in 2013 i havent found one source online that had legit dosed gear. the only one that was i bought hand to hand from a gym pal and paid 70 bucks.
thats why im on this forum. im sick of the “source protection” boards and prefer “harm reduction” boards now that i know the fuckin difference.

 

[FixerUpper]

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SimoHayha" pid='15504' dateline='1527983081:

What gear other then like test, deca, and anavar even exists as pharma grade? as far as I know most compounds arent even available in the “pharma grade” standard. Thats why I roll my eyes when people say the camel crew has this awesome pharma grade gear and thats why everyone is huge.

Test, Deca, Anavar, Proviron, Masteron (rarely prescribed anymore, but it still exists as pharm grade), HGH, and a few others exist in the US. Pharmaceutical companies that supply other countries don’t have to abide by the US laws surrounding pharmaceuticals, so I would imagine accessibility and distribution is quite different.

Just an FYI, Proviron isn’t available in the US. Unfortunately, the FDA has yet to approve its use.

 

[Webiseb]

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FWIW my T levels on compounded Test C from my TRT clinic were exactly the same as my T levels on UGL gear from a source here. With that being said I’d always prefer to go with pharma T as there’s less margin for error

I used to use compounded test from a trt clinic, and then I realized how $ it was. It wasn’t only the cost of the test, but that they made me buy HCG and adex from them (both compounded). They charged me $5 per pill for adex. If I refused the adex and HCG, they wouldn’t sell me test. I have had better results with the test from sources here.
I’ve also used test by Hikma Pharma through said trt clinic. 10mL was $170 and I could only get 1 vial every 10 weeks. Pharma is nice, but at least for me, it’s hard to come by in the quantity I want.
The sources here are legit. I prefer their test over compounded. Just my opinion
Now, pharma proviron would be nice. I’ve never had the pleasure of running it, as it’s not easy to come by

 

[Noobrology]

I know anavar still exist since my doc scripts them. Tried both pharm grade Test E (Watson brand) and UGL Test E and I see no difference besides UGL test e give me pip and test cough. Maybe due to the higher concentration of BA.

 

[PissedPajamas]

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PissedPajamas" pid='15951' dateline='1528317861:

FWIW my T levels on compounded Test C from my TRT clinic were exactly the same as my T levels on UGL gear from a source here. With that being said I’d always prefer to go with pharma T as there’s less margin for error

I used to use compounded test from a trt clinic, and then I realized how $ it was. It wasn’t only the cost of the test, but that they made me buy HCG and adex from them (both compounded). They charged me $5 per pill for adex. If I refused the adex and HCG, they wouldn’t sell me test. I have had better results with the test from sources here.
I’ve also used test by Hikma Pharma through said trt clinic. 10mL was $170 and I could only get 1 vial every 10 weeks. Pharma is nice, but at least for me, it’s hard to come by in the quantity I want.
The sources here are legit. I prefer their test over compounded. Just my opinion
Now, pharma proviron would be nice. I’ve never had the pleasure of running it, as it’s not easy to come by

Forget that, I keep my script on hand and buy a bottle of T every 3 months. My clinic doesn’t force me to buy adex or HCG so it’s a small price to pay for a script ($80 every 3 months)

 

[Swole_Guacamole]

Jesus. 80$ for three months is insane too me. I brew my own Test E for roughly 35$ a batch. 100ml of 250mg/ml plus the cost of a bottle filter and that would last me approx a few years running TRT at 150mg a week implying there’s 4 weeks in every month

 

[Kaiserkal]

I prefer my UGL test for.pinning. smoother than the pharma brand I’m actually prescribed.

That said the dream is definitely to get a script combined of 200mg/wk test, primo, and var. (Insurwnce covered or screw THAT) Maybe with some asin and bromo as ancilliaries. Not remotely realistic, but nice to think.

 

[strongfat619]

Upjohn still makes pharma Halo in the US too. Would looooove to get my hands on summa dat

 

[Brochacho_Prime]

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Upjohn still makes pharma Halo in the US too. Would looooove to get my hands on summa dat

Just double checked this on wiki and found this “It is specifically approved in one or more countries for the treatment of hypogonadism in men, delayed puberty in boys, and breast cancer in women.
Current prescribing guidelines in the United States list only the treatment of androgen deficiency in males and breast cancer in females as indications.”

Fucking L O L can you imagine going in to your doc for some sweet sweet trt action and he deadpan looks you in the face and tells you you’re going to get Halo?

 

[Webiseb]

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PissedPajamas" pid='15951' dateline='1528317861:

FWIW my T levels on compounded Test C from my TRT clinic were exactly the same as my T levels on UGL gear from a source here. With that being said I’d always prefer to go with pharma T as there’s less margin for error

I used to use compounded test from a trt clinic, and then I realized how $ it was. It wasn’t only the cost of the test, but that they made me buy HCG and adex from them (both compounded). They charged me $5 per pill for adex. If I refused the adex and HCG, they wouldn’t sell me test. I have had better results with the test from sources here.
I’ve also used test by Hikma Pharma through said trt clinic. 10mL was $170 and I could only get 1 vial every 10 weeks. Pharma is nice, but at least for me, it’s hard to come by in the quantity I want.
The sources here are legit. I prefer their test over compounded. Just my opinion
Now, pharma proviron would be nice. I’ve never had the pleasure of running it, as it’s not easy to come by

Forget that, I keep my script on hand and buy a bottle of T every 3 months. My clinic doesn’t force me to buy adex or HCG so it’s a small price to pay for a script ($80 every 3 months)

You’re 100% right! I need your clinic name pls.

 

[PissedPajamas]

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PissedPajamas" pid='15951' dateline='1528317861:

FWIW my T levels on compounded Test C from my TRT clinic were exactly the same as my T levels on UGL gear from a source here. With that being said I’d always prefer to go with pharma T as there’s less margin for error

I used to use compounded test from a trt clinic, and then I realized how $ it was. It wasn’t only the cost of the test, but that they made me buy HCG and adex from them (both compounded). They charged me $5 per pill for adex. If I refused the adex and HCG, they wouldn’t sell me test. I have had better results with the test from sources here.
I’ve also used test by Hikma Pharma through said trt clinic. 10mL was $170 and I could only get 1 vial every 10 weeks. Pharma is nice, but at least for me, it’s hard to come by in the quantity I want.
The sources here are legit. I prefer their test over compounded. Just my opinion
Now, pharma proviron would be nice. I’ve never had the pleasure of running it, as it’s not easy to come by

Forget that, I keep my script on hand and buy a bottle of T every 3 months. My clinic doesn’t force me to buy adex or HCG so it’s a small price to pay for a script ($80 every 3 months)

You’re 100% right! I need your clinic name pls.

Defy Medical. Prescribed 200mg/wk but I use 140mg/wk and save the rest. Ends up being about 3 months worth of TRT per bottle