Still feeeling E2 sides?

[Marcus007]

Been on TRT past few months, experienced high e2 sides so I got myself an AI (aromasin).

Currently taking 2x 60mg test and 2x 3mg Aromasin a week (Mon, Thurs)

Seeing lots of gains but feeling the sides still for sure. Checked my bloods a few weeks ago and my E2 came back low at 15. Bumped my test dose a bit, but still no good.
Maybe lower my AI dose but increase the frequency?

Recent Bloodwork:
Dec (75mg test 2x week)
Total T: 1300s
Free T: 33 pg/MI
E2: 43

Jan (50mg test 2x week, 3mg AI 2x week)
Total T: 650
Free T: 16
E2: 15

Now doing 60mg test 2x week, 3mg AI 2x week thinking it’ll bump both my total T and E2. Joints aren’t really aching but feeling fatigue, brainfog, anxiety. Some days I feel great, others I feel the sides.

Any help is much appreciated brothas!

 

[TeddySwolesevelt]

The most ideal situation would be to find out where you don’t need any AI for your cruise man.

It seems to me at 120mg/week, based on your previous 2 sets of bloods, you should be fine to just drop the aromasin completely and let your levels even out. Also would appear it would put you at the upper end of natty T levels which is what you’re looking for, I assume. Maybe try dropping the AI for a couple weeks and see how you feel?

Good luck man!

 

[Swole_Guacamole]

buddy. low e2 sides and high e2 sides are VERY VERY VERY VERY similar. IMO you’re probably mistaking the two, even if youre a fat lard you shouldnt need any AI at 120mg a week test

 

[dexes]

I’ve had 110 E2 at 4000 test levels. I felt fantastic. I’ve had 50 E2 at 900 and felt horrible and my back looked like a well oiled Rocky Mountain. High and low E2 symptoms are incredibly similar.

Here is a list of symptoms from GH15 from reddit years ago:

High & low estrogen symptoms

Hey guys. Making this thread so that people will get a better idea on where their estrogen levels may be at. Very relevant in order to prevent any of these (in some cases) severe symptoms, especially for people running cycles with compounds that are highly aromatizing. Please feel free to add something, I’ll make sure to update the list.

High estrogen sides Acne, loss of libido, water retention (Bloat), pissing less than the water you consume, moon face, very small testicles, scrotum hanging too high, soft testicles, extreme oiliness all over, aggression (roid rage), depression, bitchiness, lethargy, insomnia, soft erections, extreme cravings for sugar/chocolate, high bp, bp spikes, enlarged prostate, pressure in lower abdomen when urinating, thin stream, constipation (from water retention)

Low estrogen sides Dry skin, dry lips, dehydration, loss of libido, good morning wood no wood when its time for sex, loss of wood while having sex, loss of sensitivity, dry gland (penis), white gland, loss of girth, irritability, mood swings, crying for no reason, dht rage (aggression you take out on others), dull orgasm, hesitation just before urinating, night sweats, loss of appetite, constant fatigue, lethargy, constipation (due to dehydration), diuretic effect (pissing more water than you are consuming), itchy scalp, obsessive thoughts

 

[bottomfeeder52]

Swole Guacamole" pid='41728' dateline='1550292313:

buddy. low e2 sides and high e2 sides are VERY VERY VERY VERY similar. IMO you’re probably mistaking the two, even if youre a fat lard you shouldnt need any AI at 120mg a week test

I get puffy nipples with low E2 as well as high E2. My acne is worse on Low E2 than high, only difference is low e2 I’m more irritable and dry, high e2 I’m more emotional and bloated. Everything else is the same for me

 

[Swole_Guacamole]

^ Exactly

Low e2 for me: knee pains, difficulty standing for long periods of time, irritable but dry

High e2: pissing constantly (prostate swelling), emotional and more water retention even though i’m pissing every 10 minutes

 

[Jon9249]

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Swole Guacamole" pid='41728' dateline='1550292313:

buddy. low e2 sides and high e2 sides are VERY VERY VERY VERY similar. IMO you’re probably mistaking the two, even if youre a fat lard you shouldnt need any AI at 120mg a week test

I get puffy nipples with low E2 as well as high E2. My acne is worse on Low E2 than high, only difference is low e2 I’m more irritable and dry, high e2 I’m more emotional and bloated. Everything else is the same for me

No way puffy nips with low e2? Never heard that is there a known mechanism that causes it?

I am waiting on blood work have puffy nips and joints hurt

 

[Marcus007]

TeddySwolesevelt" pid='41716' dateline='1550285985:

The most ideal situation would be to find out where you don’t need any AI for your cruise man.

It seems to me at 120mg/week, based on your previous 2 sets of bloods, you should be fine to just drop the aromasin completely and let your levels even out. Also would appear it would put you at the upper end of natty T levels which is what you’re looking for, I assume. Maybe try dropping the AI for a couple weeks and see how you feel?

Good luck man!

Thanks man, dropped the AI for about 10 days now. Feeling overall great and low anxiety. Except still finding it hard to concentrate on stuff and sometimes fatigue.

Maybe it’s my Pregnenolone?

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Swole Guacamole" pid='41728' dateline='1550292313:

buddy. low e2 sides and high e2 sides are VERY VERY VERY VERY similar. IMO you’re probably mistaking the two, even if youre a fat lard you shouldnt need any AI at 120mg a week test

Yep probably am mistaken. Thanks guac brotha.

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dexes" pid='41729' dateline='1550292779:

I’ve had 110 E2 at 4000 test levels. I felt fantastic. I’ve had 50 E2 at 900 and felt horrible and my back looked like a well oiled Rocky Mountain. High and low E2 symptoms are incredibly similar.

Here is a list of symptoms from GH15 from reddit years ago:

High & low estrogen symptoms

Hey guys. Making this thread so that people will get a better idea on where their estrogen levels may be at. Very relevant in order to prevent any of these (in some cases) severe symptoms, especially for people running cycles with compounds that are highly aromatizing. Please feel free to add something, I’ll make sure to update the list.

High estrogen sides Acne, loss of libido, water retention (Bloat), pissing less than the water you consume, moon face, very small testicles, scrotum hanging too high, soft testicles, extreme oiliness all over, aggression (roid rage), depression, bitchiness, lethargy, insomnia, soft erections, extreme cravings for sugar/chocolate, high bp, bp spikes, enlarged prostate, pressure in lower abdomen when urinating, thin stream, constipation (from water retention)

Low estrogen sides Dry skin, dry lips, dehydration, loss of libido, good morning wood no wood when its time for sex, loss of wood while having sex, loss of sensitivity, dry gland (penis), white gland, loss of girth, irritability, mood swings, crying for no reason, dht rage (aggression you take out on others), dull orgasm, hesitation just before urinating, night sweats, loss of appetite, constant fatigue, lethargy, constipation (due to dehydration), diuretic effect (pissing more water than you are consuming), itchy scalp, obsessive thoughts

Fantastic list! Do you know what range E2 should be at to not feel these sides? I’ve heard 20-30. Sometimes 20-40. Although I’m sure some people are more sensitive to estrogen than others.

 

[Swole_Guacamole]

it’s completely personal preference. I personally like my e2 so high that I have to run ralox to protect my boobies but not so high that my prostate swells to the size of a grapefruit. and numbers are different for each person, 40 e2 to me is not 40 e2 to you

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remember that estrogen is anabolic. tren and e2 are synergetic for prolactin but ALSO synergetic for da gainz