Sorry I’m late to the party. I certainly got plenty of notifications there was one going on without me.
@MulberryTrees I have always had a standing offer to pay for testing, as I feel that is incumbent upon the user to have the oil portion tested, yet paying for it is normally something that they shouldn’t have to endure. That creates an unfortunate situation where it becomes prohibitive. So by removing that obstacle, it opens the possibility for all. There are few exceptions but there are a few. You are certainly entitled to having that paid for from me.
I have a fair amount of faith in Janoshik, his testing has proven to be consistent although it doesn’t exactly match independent testing. That is ok though as you will never find exact matches across different testing places. That being said, I have tried to use his results as the standard to which I produce products so that there is a consistent outcome. In this situation, I have no answer immediately for you, I have reviewed the testing results that you have posted, I take them at face value and don’t question their validity and I have taken the time to compare to empirical testing that i have had done and it would seem that we have a mismatch here that can only be attributed to the raw materials. The manufacturing process remains unchanged, so the only variable that I can think of is the raw material. I have a sample out now for testing so we’ll see what that comes back as. I like to gather evidence and make an informed decision based on science rather than assuming anything and prediction. From there I’ll work backwards until I find the answer.
I have years of testing and anecdotal feedback from the public, a record that speaks for itself and stands out in a crowded field. I didn’t get that by accident, and I strive for consistency as well as I am very generous with gear and funds. If I produced a substandard product, you can rest assured that you will be made whole again. I realize that there are those that want testing on every product twice: finished and raw; however that is just not feasible, there is constantly new shipments of raw materials that are coming in, some I hold for testing and some I allow through without it. I am one of the few sources that RARELY runs out of products that I manufacture as that is unprofessional. I try to schedule enough time for testing between arrival and need. I have products that are made and on the shelf but aren’t even listed because i haven’t had them tested yet. Things like Tren Base, MethylTest, Bold Cyp, etc. The last time I had primo tested was right around 01SEPT2021, and I had the oil and the raw material tested. It came back nearly identical to the last testing done by a customer and consistent to what I receive from my provider. They are extremely consistent in their products and I have worked with them for many years, so its not unreasonable, in my opinion, to spot check but trust my supply chain. Like I mentioned before, if there was a mistake on my end, I’m certainly willing to accept that as I am fallible and a reasonable effort will be made to make whole whomever is affected.
One of the things that bothers me about this industry is that any lab can be consistent and nearly perfect for years, always open and willing to listen until one day someone runs into an issue and that somehow defines everything that the source does or says. I find that mob mentality something that should be reserved for a more consistent pattern of abuse and neglect that has a way of showing up if a source goes bad. There will always be those that make it their mission to tarnish a source, and there’s nothing that I can do about that, but we are having this discussion over 34-42 total mgs. That doesn’t define me nor my work. Those that are trying to use it as a marker for ineptness are eager for it to be true; however they are mistaken. When a source goes bad there wouldn’t even be primo in the vial, it would be oil or a trace of primo. It makes absolutely no sense to short anyone on purpose to me. The repercussions FAR outweigh the benefits for someone that is looking for longevity and stability. The cost of the materials is inconsequential to me, I don’t distinguish my methodology based on the cost of the raw materials. However, that being said, we are UNDERGROUND labs and operate despite those that would see us closed. I would love nothing more than to have the supply chain that pfizer or bayer has, running everything through QC and RnD with the equipment that is FDA accepted but no source can do that. So we have accepted tolerances that some of us would never have thought was necessary as a means of producing a market-demanded product; which is why it comes with the price tag that it does. If you approach Pfizer with the suggestion of selling Test Cyp at 8 dollars per ML they would laugh and run you out of the building. My last prescription of Test Cyp was 55usd per ML.
Despite all that, the results are clear, the product appears to be under my standards but the real issue is intent here. I did not intend the product to be substandard, nor did I know it was substandard, there was no malice intent nor need to cut corners. While I don’t have a complete answer (and I was hoping to have that before writing this but was pressured), I will find out what happened, who is affected, and determine what needs to be done about it. Until then I’ll pull the Primo from the shelf pending my investigation. To make clear though, I’m not absent and I’m not working for some federal agency, I have no existential threat, I am not scrambling for money, raws or anything else. Operations are normal, consistent and fairly predictable. I was actually working on another round of testing from janoshik with the last testing being about 50 items, so if there are consumers that would like to have their products tested then I’m happy to pay for that too. It says it in my intro, but I’ll state it here again: Please let me pay for the test directly to janoshik but don’t tell me that you will have it tested until AFTER you receive it. If you tell me that you are going to have it tested and then order it, you will not qualify for the direct payment. That negates the entire concept of blind testing and does nobody any good. Also, I will pay for 2 samples only of each product within a reasonable amount of time as a fairly good pattern will emerge from those and I want to avoid 30 tests of the same product. If you do not send the sample, or resend it in case of seizure, you are disqualified from future testing on my behalf. You will be responsible for your own postage though as I do not make direct payments to first-party participants for security reasons. And finally, you will have to allow Janoshik to CC me into the email with the results. I don’t care what email you use, I don’t care if you use your real username nor do I want any personal information. I just like to be informed directly as much of you would. Admittedly, most of the requirements aren’t posted and have developed over time, but are necessary. I look forward to anyone and everyone that participates, this is a great program for our community and provides transparency for me as a source. Should this program have been utilized more often we wouldn’t have questions such as the ones directly above this message.
@race_camsey you don’t need to rely on someone else, you can send it off and the test is FREE to you since you have already ordered. same with
@Steeeve @LightningLeg and anyone else. The offer stands. I’m a man of my word and honor it every chance I get.
