Systematic Inflammation when on Cycle?

[AmpedAesthetics]

I've been running 600mg Test / 400mg EQ for about 14 weeks now. Carrier oil is GSO.

I know it's winter time, flu season etc, so I chalked up a lot of it to that but I'm starting to get confused. It seems like once, every week, I feel like im on the verge of being sick. It feels like the exact same feeling a day or two before you catch a cold or the flu. Not sure whatsup. I've been taking gear for like 3-4 years now, and I definitely used to get Test Flu back in the day but I don't remember it still happening this far into a blast.

Would love some general insights / input even if anecdotal. I'm thinking of ordering from a new source and switching carrier oils. Also injecting more frequently instead of twice a week. Any discussion is appreciated.

 

[jumdumpster]

that’s actually really interesting i get the same thing. on cycle ill feel like im about to get sick constantly while never actually fully getting sick. i always blame it on fatigue from training but i dont know. i get test flu bad basically every start to my cycle so maybe my immune system just keeps fighting it.
ive used multiple different sources, different times of the year, pinned everyday or 3x a week, i seem to get it everytime.

 

[MachuFuku]

Have you checked your c-reactive protein? Could be a solvent being used or a reaction to the carrier oil. I have recently read that Guaiacol is very inflamtory.

 

[Lee_48157]

Have you checked your c-reactive protein? Could be a solvent being used or a reaction to the carrier oil. I have recently read that Guaiacol is very inflamtory.

Yes I was just going to say this. Look up vigorous Steve he just posted on YT a deep dive into carrier oils, solvents, and how it will affect your c reactive protein among other markers to look at when having issues with this.

He goes into the melting points of the drugs in comparison with the smoke point of the oils… some of them are actually really close in temperature to the smoke point, so if the source isn’t careful it could be an issue.

Basically he was saying a lot of UG sources use MCT oil as a carrier because it takes a minimal amount of equipment to brew.. I am paraphrasing, but he said like a filter a microwave and some sterile viles is all some of the UGLs could need to make the gear.

Another interesting point he made was say a carrier oil of MCT is used your half life is going to be much quicker since your body metabolizes the oil faster you may need to do ED injections to keep your levels stabilized.. if for example your having abnormal aromatizing Issues.

In no way am I suggesting any of our sources here use these methods or are adding harmful solvents to their products… I did find it useful knowledge at minimum to take the time to understand what could be causing this issue to arise. I recommend watching or listening to it like I do on Spotify.

 

[MachuFuku]

Yes I was just going to say this. Look up vigorous Steve he just posted on YT a deep dive into carrier oils, solvents, and how it will affect your c reactive protein among other markers to look at when having issues with this.

He goes into the melting points of the drugs in comparison with the smoke point of the oils… some of them are actually really close in temperature to the smoke point, so if the source isn’t careful it could be an issue.

Basically he was saying a lot of UG sources use MCT oil as a carrier because it takes a minimal amount of equipment to brew.. I am paraphrasing, but he said like a filter a microwave and some sterile viles is all some of the UGLs could need to make the gear.

Another interesting point he made was say a carrier oil of MCT is used your half life is going to be much quicker since your body metabolizes the oil faster you may need to do ED injections to keep your levels stabilized.. if for example your having abnormal aromatizing Issues.

In no way am I suggesting any of our sources here use these methods or are adding harmful solvents to their products… I did find it useful knowledge at minimum to take the time to understand what could be causing this issue to arise. I recommend watching or listening to it like I do on Spotify.

I know at least one source here is using Guiacol as they have aknowledged using it on another forumn for its TNE, Test Base, Tren Base, injectable orals & the PWO blends. I don't know this is unusual or non-standard. In my view, it is what it is and as consumers, we should be asking wtf is in a product we intend to use.

 

[Lee_48157]

I know at least one source here is using Guiacol as they have aknowledged using it on another forumn for its TNE, Test Base, Tren Base, injectable orals & the PWO blends. I don't know this is unusual or non-standard. In my view, it is what it is and as consumers, we should be asking wtf is in a product we intend to use.

I did ask one of the newer sources that recently started & no reply made me pass up giving them a chance. I agree though, no shame if you do use that stuff, I feel like the more honest you are the more respect you will receive from everyone.

 

[jumdumpster]

I know at least one source here is using Guiacol as they have aknowledged using it on another forumn for its TNE, Test Base, Tren Base, injectable orals & the PWO blends. I don't know this is unusual or non-standard. In my view, it is what it is and as consumers, we should be asking wtf is in a product we intend to use.

i think its pretty standard to use guaicol in suspensions if theyre over a certain concentration.
how do you check your c-reactive protein?

 

[MachuFuku]

I did ask one of the newer sources that recently started & no reply made me pass up giving them a chance. I agree though, no shame if you do use that stuff, I feel like the more honest you are the more respect you will receive from everyone.

We may be talking about the same source. They are doing well here but appear to only be active for about 6 months. I gave them a run and the communication and shipping has been crazy good. Again, they were honest about it on another board so it looks like they are legit. I will leave them a good review after a few more weeks and some follow up labs.

i think its pretty standard to use guaicol in suspensions if theyre over a certain concentration.
how do you check your c-reactive protein?

$59 from LabCorp. https://www.ondemand.labcorp.com/lab-tests/inflammation-hs-crp-test

 

[AmpedAesthetics]

Have you checked your c-reactive protein? Could be a solvent being used or a reaction to the carrier oil. I have recently read that Guaiacol is very inflamtory.

I have not. I'm very open to checking this. And just want to preface to everybody that I really do appreciate all the responses.

So, even in GSO... Guaiacol could be used eh? (Reading the other reply on this thread). If it truly is used in almost everything though thats high concentration I'm not sure what I could do even if my c-reactive protein IS high? I'm about to order from a new source that uses Miglyol 840 both to see if I react better, no inflammation, and also because the GSO I use today is THICK AF and I'm tired of trying to push GSO through a 27g needle.

Yes I was just going to say this. Look up vigorous Steve he just posted on YT a deep dive into carrier oils, solvents, and how it will affect your c reactive protein among other markers to look at when having issues with this.

He goes into the melting points of the drugs in comparison with the smoke point of the oils… some of them are actually really close in temperature to the smoke point, so if the source isn’t careful it could be an issue.

Basically he was saying a lot of UG sources use MCT oil as a carrier because it takes a minimal amount of equipment to brew.. I am paraphrasing, but he said like a filter a microwave and some sterile viles is all some of the UGLs could need to make the gear.

Another interesting point he made was say a carrier oil of MCT is used your half life is going to be much quicker since your body metabolizes the oil faster you may need to do ED injections to keep your levels stabilized.. if for example your having abnormal aromatizing Issues.

In no way am I suggesting any of our sources here use these methods or are adding harmful solvents to their products… I did find it useful knowledge at minimum to take the time to understand what could be causing this issue to arise. I recommend watching or listening to it like I do on Spotify.

I'll look into the YT video later tonight.

The carrier I use today is GSO. I think im going to place an order today with another source from here that uses Miglyol 840.

I also was thinking of switching from pinning 2x a week to ED or EOD. I brought this up on reddit though and the response was why do I assume that would help with the systematic inflammation lol so who knows. But worth a try... at 600 test 400eq pinning 2ml oil at once does seem to be quite a bit for me. Though from an e2 perspective im perfectly fine and seemingly stable.

So overall.... lets say I check my c reactive protein and it is high. What do I do? Do you guys think the switch from GSO to Miglyol 840 from another source would help? Or make it worse? I really want to solve this as I plan to BnC for quite a few years longer at a minimum lol. I love gear.

I've noticed I feel like shit, and feel the inflammation, UNTIL I start lifting. Then during my lift and after my lift I feel great. Then it comes back late night. If I choose to lay down and sleep during the day, I wake up feeling like shit. It's interesting. I recall feeling like this on all my cycles just not to the same extent and not noticed after the first few weeks (prob because I ran less gear).

 

[Lee_48157]

I have not. I'm very open to checking this. And just want to preface to everybody that I really do appreciate all the responses.

So, even in GSO... Guaiacol could be used eh? (Reading the other reply on this thread). If it truly is used in almost everything though thats high concentration I'm not sure what I could do even if my c-reactive protein IS high? I'm about to order from a new source that uses Miglyol 840 both to see if I react better, no inflammation, and also because the GSO I use today is THICK AF and I'm tired of trying to push GSO through a 27g needle.


I'll look into the YT video later tonight.

The carrier I use today is GSO. I think im going to place an order today with another source from here that uses Miglyol 840.

I also was thinking of switching from pinning 2x a week to ED or EOD. I brought this up on reddit though and the response was why do I assume that would help with the systematic inflammation lol so who knows. But worth a try... at 600 test 400eq pinning 2ml oil at once does seem to be quite a bit for me. Though from an e2 perspective im perfectly fine and seemingly stable.

So overall.... lets say I check my c reactive protein and it is high. What do I do? Do you guys think the switch from GSO to Miglyol 840 from another source would help? Or make it worse? I really want to solve this as I plan to BnC for quite a few years longer at a minimum lol. I love gear.

I've noticed I feel like shit, and feel the inflammation, UNTIL I start lifting. Then during my lift and after my lift I feel great. Then it comes back late night. If I choose to lay down and sleep during the day, I wake up feeling like shit. It's interesting. I recall feeling like this on all my cycles just not to the same extent and not noticed after the first few weeks (prob because I ran less gear).

Watch the video he goes in to the miglyol too, but yes he even mentions how guicol is still sometimes used in GSO too. Very informative video though hopefully you get some insight on it, and help your situation.

 

[SteronzTA]

What I got from that video was that if you want to avoid systemic inflammation then Miglyol 840 is a no go (because of Propylene Glycol).

I also had the same exact feeling during my previous cycle (I was using a very well known source that is no longer around) and I'm thinking about using MCT this time around instead of GSO.

 

[AmpedAesthetics]

What I got from that video was that if you want to avoid systemic inflammation then Miglyol 840 is a no go (because of Propylene Glycol).

I also had the same exact feeling during my previous cycle (I was using a very well known source that is no longer around) and I'm thinking about using MCT this time around instead of GSO.

As a Canadian, I'm not having much luck with any of the known sources. So far I've asked 3 and all of them contain EO or Guiaicol. I'm awaiting another 2 to respond, hoping at least one of the two I can source Test with no EO because I really need some.

 

[Lee_48157]

As a Canadian, I'm not having much luck with any of the known sources. So far I've asked 3 and all of them contain EO or Guiaicol. I'm awaiting another 2 to respond, hoping at least one of the two I can source Test with no EO because I really need some.

It could be the issue of living in Canada it’s colder all the time so the sources are using that to prevent dealing with people complaining of crashing gear.

I have two sources on here that I trust have good gear & several bottles of my test cyp has crashed, because I live in the northeast which my house is constantly 63-64 degrees. I have to pretty much let my bottles sit in hot water every time I pin because it goes right back to crystals after a few days. Had no issues in the summer, but now that it’s cold this is another step every time I gotta do a shot. I didn’t contact them or anything complaining.

I understand I should probably keep my house warmer than this, but I’m rarely home & I hate being hot when I sleep so it is what it is.

Cool you watched the video though, I thought it was pretty good info.

 

[Frankthetank1986]

I was sick off and on for over two months from fall into winter. Ran a course of prednisone and amoxicillin, and it seems to have finally subsided. If you haven't yet, maybe get some bloodwork and look into glutathione injections.

 

[AmpedAesthetics]

It could be the issue of living in Canada it’s colder all the time so the sources are using that to prevent dealing with people complaining of crashing gear.

I have two sources on here that I trust have good gear & several bottles of my test cyp has crashed, because I live in the northeast which my house is constantly 63-64 degrees. I have to pretty much let my bottles sit in hot water every time I pin because it goes right back to crystals after a few days. Had no issues in the summer, but now that it’s cold this is another step every time I gotta do a shot. I didn’t contact them or anything complaining.

I understand I should probably keep my house warmer than this, but I’m rarely home & I hate being hot when I sleep so it is what it is.

Cool you watched the video though, I thought it was pretty good info.

I really appreciate your response and link to that video. Super coincidental I post about this, and theres a whole hour youtube video dedicated to it from 2 days ago. When theres almost no info online about it prior. Potentially saved my life in the long term lol no exaggeration

 

[Lee_48157]

I really appreciate your response and link to that video. Super coincidental I post about this, and theres a whole hour youtube video dedicated to it from 2 days ago. When theres almost no info online about it prior. Potentially saved my life in the long term lol no exaggeration

Wasnt me who tagged a video, but i recommend it. No problem I thought the same thing.. literally listened to that pod hopped on here n seen this.