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Test levels still low, 7 weeks after PCT

Gainematics

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Test 250 15 wk ramped to 500
Tren e 400 12 wk tapered down
Dbol first 4 wks and last 4 wks
Mk677 15 we
Ai’s
Hug 500 Mcg 17 wk

Pct
Nolva 40/40/20/20/20
Clomid 50/50/25/25

7 weeks after pct bloods came back

Test: 42 ng/dL (error 42)
LH: 15.2
FSH: 7.3
Estroidal: 55.1

Can this be because the Ester is long lasting that enough is keeping me low?

I plan to do another 4 weeks pct and check bloods again.

Curious if anyone can share insight or similar experience.

Thank you
 
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looks like tren shut you down hard, probably going to take another 4-6 weeks.
 
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Update to this if still interested.

I think the culprit might be the a sarm.
Honestly, during that cycle, i had mixed my own raws to make an osterine solution and mk677 solution.
I put them in sterile vials with droppers, With no labels. during the cycle i knew which was which.
I could have been accidently taking the osterine instead of the mk677.
stupid on my part.

When i had done my pct after the cycle, i was fine, able to have sex, and waking up was not issue.

then i hurt my back, and started taking mk677* in an attempt to improve healing, and overall wellness.
It was around that time, that waking up was very difficult.

i have completed my 4 additional weeks of PCT. I feel better. I think i need to give it another week or so to get bloodwork to see where my base line is at…

fingers crossed. I am 29, i do not plan on staying on for the rest of my life, just yet. i would like to make it to mid 30’s and try to recover from each cycle.
 
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Update to this if still interested.

I think the culprit might be the a sarm.
Honestly, during that cycle, i had mixed my own raws to make an osterine solution and mk677 solution.
I put them in sterile vials with droppers, With no labels. during the cycle i knew which was which.
I could have been accidently taking the osterine instead of the mk677.
stupid on my part.

When i had done my pct after the cycle, i was fine, able to have sex, and waking up was not issue.

then i hurt my back, and started taking mk677* in an attempt to improve healing, and overall wellness.
It was around that time, that waking up was very difficult.

i have completed my 4 additional weeks of PCT. I feel better. I think i need to give it another week or so to get bloodwork to see where my base line is at…

fingers crossed. I am 29, i do not plan on staying on for the rest of my life, just yet. i would like to make it to mid 30’s and try to recover from each cycle.
Hey man, so your whole post is very confusing.

For one, you refence a long ester or Testosterone; but you never state what ester oF Test you are running. All you say is “Test 250 ramped up to 500”. That could be Test E, C, U, or even some uncommon ones (Like D). If it was Test E, then no, that is not longer lasting at all, and your PCT should have been fine.

Second, you have terrible formatting for your cycle; this isn’t to say it is a terrible cycle, but the way you posted it makes it very confusing to understand. A better way to post it would be:

Test E - 500mg/week - Week 1-15
Tren E - 400mg/week - Week 1-15
etc.

Tapering is pretty old school btw, and I wouldn’t recommend it. Just KISS and run the same weekly dose all cycle.

You also don’t say anything about waiting 2 weeks to start your PCT after stopping your cycle. So, if you ran Test/Tren/etc. for Weeks 1-15, you should run NOTHING (except HCG) in Weeks 16 and 17. Then you start your PCT in week 18.

Thirdly, directly related to your blood work; normally ~3 months post PCT is a good time to get bloods done. ~6 months is a more accurate time period to see if you have recovered fully, but most people are not patient enough. Also relating to blood work, you didn’t tell us your pre-gear bloodwork. You could have had low test before starting gear, so having low test after gear wouldn’t be a surprise at all. Also, I am not sure what ‘error 42’ means. I have never heard about that before; but your LH and FSH are very high (assuming you are using mIU/ml), so it looks like you PCT was effective in this regard. Your E2 is a bit high as well, but I wouldn’t sweat that very much, and again, having a pre-cycle baseline would be needed.

Lastly, are you talking about running Osterine instead of MK-677 during PCT/off cycle? Because that would contribute to suppression. But if you were only running it on cycle, it shouldn’t have suppressed you any more than running Test or Tren would, and it has a much shorter half-life than either of those too, so it would be pretty much completely out of your system by PCT (24 hour half-life IIRC).
 
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Update to this if still interested.

I think the culprit might be the a sarm.
Honestly, during that cycle, i had mixed my own raws to make an osterine solution and mk677 solution.
I put them in sterile vials with droppers, With no labels. during the cycle i knew which was which.
I could have been accidently taking the osterine instead of the mk677.
stupid on my part.

When i had done my pct after the cycle, i was fine, able to have sex, and waking up was not issue.

then i hurt my back, and started taking mk677* in an attempt to improve healing, and overall wellness.
It was around that time, that waking up was very difficult.

i have completed my 4 additional weeks of PCT. I feel better. I think i need to give it another week or so to get bloodwork to see where my base line is at…

fingers crossed. I am 29, i do not plan on staying on for the rest of my life, just yet. i would like to make it to mid 30’s and try to recover from each cycle.
Hey man, so your whole post is very confusing.

For one, you refence a long ester or Testosterone; but you never state what ester oF Test you are running. All you say is “Test 250 ramped up to 500”. That could be Test E, C, U, or even some uncommon ones (Like D). If it was Test E, then no, that is not longer lasting at all, and your PCT should have been fine.

Second, you have terrible formatting for your cycle; this isn’t to say it is a terrible cycle, but the way you posted it makes it very confusing to understand. A better way to post it would be:

Test E - 500mg/week - Week 1-15
Tren E - 400mg/week - Week 1-15
etc.

Tapering is pretty old school btw, and I wouldn’t recommend it. Just KISS and run the same weekly dose all cycle.

You also don’t say anything about waiting 2 weeks to start your PCT after stopping your cycle. So, if you ran Test/Tren/etc. for Weeks 1-15, you should run NOTHING (except HCG) in Weeks 16 and 17. Then you start your PCT in week 18.

Thirdly, directly related to your blood work; normally ~3 months post PCT is a good time to get bloods done. ~6 months is a more accurate time period to see if you have recovered fully, but most people are not patient enough. Also relating to blood work, you didn’t tell us your pre-gear bloodwork. You could have had low test before starting gear, so having low test after gear wouldn’t be a surprise at all. Also, I am not sure what ‘error 42’ means. I have never heard about that before; but your LH and FSH are very high (assuming you are using mIU/ml), so it looks like you PCT was effective in this regard. Your E2 is a bit high as well, but I wouldn’t sweat that very much, and again, having a pre-cycle baseline would be needed.

Lastly, are you talking about running Osterine instead of MK-677 during PCT/off cycle? Because that would contribute to suppression. But if you were only running it on cycle, it shouldn’t have suppressed you any more than running Test or Tren would, and it has a much shorter half-life than either of those too, so it would be pretty much completely out of your system by PCT (24 hour half-life IIRC).
Eh I think his post is fine. Its pretty obvious from the dosages that he is taking Test E since he listed it as 250 and 500mg, and he was taking Tren (E). As for the SARM, he mentioned that he could have been taking Ostarine after he hurt his back which was well after the PCT and that is probably what was suppressing him, which I agree with. As you mentioned, his LH and FSH values are really good, his LH might be out of range which is probably due to suppression by the SARM which was signaling the LH to be higher to produce more test if im not mistaken, but I could have just said something really dumb right there haha. Anyways bud it looks like you should be recovered, id give it another month or two and then get bloods.
 
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Update to this if still interested.

I think the culprit might be the a sarm.
Honestly, during that cycle, i had mixed my own raws to make an osterine solution and mk677 solution.
I put them in sterile vials with droppers, With no labels. during the cycle i knew which was which.
I could have been accidently taking the osterine instead of the mk677.
stupid on my part.

When i had done my pct after the cycle, i was fine, able to have sex, and waking up was not issue.

then i hurt my back, and started taking mk677* in an attempt to improve healing, and overall wellness.
It was around that time, that waking up was very difficult.

i have completed my 4 additional weeks of PCT. I feel better. I think i need to give it another week or so to get bloodwork to see where my base line is at…

fingers crossed. I am 29, i do not plan on staying on for the rest of my life, just yet. i would like to make it to mid 30’s and try to recover from each cycle.
Hey man, so your whole post is very confusing.

For one, you refence a long ester or Testosterone; but you never state what ester oF Test you are running. All you say is “Test 250 ramped up to 500”. That could be Test E, C, U, or even some uncommon ones (Like D). If it was Test E, then no, that is not longer lasting at all, and your PCT should have been fine.

Second, you have terrible formatting for your cycle; this isn’t to say it is a terrible cycle, but the way you posted it makes it very confusing to understand. A better way to post it would be:

Test E - 500mg/week - Week 1-15
Tren E - 400mg/week - Week 1-15
etc.

Tapering is pretty old school btw, and I wouldn’t recommend it. Just KISS and run the same weekly dose all cycle.

You also don’t say anything about waiting 2 weeks to start your PCT after stopping your cycle. So, if you ran Test/Tren/etc. for Weeks 1-15, you should run NOTHING (except HCG) in Weeks 16 and 17. Then you start your PCT in week 18.

Thirdly, directly related to your blood work; normally ~3 months post PCT is a good time to get bloods done. ~6 months is a more accurate time period to see if you have recovered fully, but most people are not patient enough. Also relating to blood work, you didn’t tell us your pre-gear bloodwork. You could have had low test before starting gear, so having low test after gear wouldn’t be a surprise at all. Also, I am not sure what ‘error 42’ means. I have never heard about that before; but your LH and FSH are very high (assuming you are using mIU/ml), so it looks like you PCT was effective in this regard. Your E2 is a bit high as well, but I wouldn’t sweat that very much, and again, having a pre-cycle baseline would be needed.

Lastly, are you talking about running Osterine instead of MK-677 during PCT/off cycle? Because that would contribute to suppression. But if you were only running it on cycle, it shouldn’t have suppressed you any more than running Test or Tren would, and it has a much shorter half-life than either of those too, so it would be pretty much completely out of your system by PCT (24 hour half-life IIRC).
Eh I think his post is fine. Its pretty obvious from the dosages that he is taking Test E since he listed it as 250 and 500mg, and he was taking Tren (E). As for the SARM, he mentioned that he could have been taking Ostarine after he hurt his back which was well after the PCT and that is probably what was suppressing him, which I agree with. As you mentioned, his LH and FSH values are really good, his LH might be out of range which is probably due to suppression by the SARM which was signaling the LH to be higher to produce more test if im not mistaken, but I could have just said something really dumb right there haha. Anyways bud it looks like you should be recovered, id give it another month or two and then get bloods.
Those parts are move straightforward, but it still is a bit confusing at all. So advising he using a uniform method to make it clearer which drugs he is taking makes sense. For example, I have 0 idea what AI he ran or how much. Instead of listing 12.5mg/day Aromasin he just says “AI’s”. He also doesn’t list what dose of MK-677 run, what his Tren tapering protocol is, or what his Dbol dose was. And idk if he really only ran 1 week of 500mcg of HCG; that would be odd to me, since HCG is normally sold in 5000-10000mcg vials, and I have never seen a vial containing less than 2500mcg.

But yeah, his bloods look fine, especially if he was taking Ostarine when he got these bloods. Only real outlier is his total Test, but idk what ‘error 42’ means.
 
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error 42 means standard error of 42 iirc, so it could +/- 42ng/dL.
 
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Last year completed
Test 250 15 wk ramped to 500
Tren e 400 12 wk tapered down
Dbol first 4 wks and last 4 wks
Mk677 15 we
Ai’s
Hug 500 Mcg 17 wk

Pct
Nolva 40/40/20/20/20
Clomid 50/50/25/25

7 weeks after pct bloods came back

Test: 42 ng/dL (error 42)
LH: 15.2
FSH: 7.3
Estroidal: 55.1

Can this be because the Ester is long lasting that enough is keeping me low?

I plan to do another 4 weeks pct and check bloods again.

Curious if anyone can share insight or similar experience.

Thank you
Tren really shuts you down. Same with Deca. Takes me extra long to recover from that shit. It usually takes me a few weeks to feel normal again. With Deca and Tren, takes me a few months to recover.
 
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Tren really shuts you down. Same with Deca. Takes me extra long to recover from that shit. It usually takes me a few weeks to feel normal again. With Deca and Tren, takes me a few months to recover.
Can confirm. Been 4 months since running Deca. Last time i got a boner was… well i didnt have one since then
 
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Tren really shuts you down. Same with Deca. Takes me extra long to recover from that shit. It usually takes me a few weeks to feel normal again. With Deca and Tren, takes me a few months to recover.
Can confirm. Been 4 months since running Deca. Last time i got a boner was… well i didnt have one since then
Deca is detected in your system for a really long time. Like 18 months. People who think they’re off after a month get their blood drawn and still got that deca in their system just shutting down their natural hormones, keeping their ball atrophied. That Deconate ester straight stays in your blood for like 90 days. I know all roids shut down your test, but Deca/Tren really kill it. Anyone who takes Deca should probably take it with Sust. Because the Sust has the exact same half life. Not only that, but after a tren/deca cycle, you should take test only for a few weeks. Why not? You’re gonna be shut down anyway.
 
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Deca is detected in your system for a really long time. Like 18 months. People who think they’re off after a month get their blood drawn and still got that deca in their system just shutting down their natural hormones, keeping their ball atrophied. That Deconate ester straight stays in your blood for like 90 days. I know all roids shut down your test, but Deca/Tren really kill it. Anyone who takes Deca should probably take it with Sust. Because the Sust has the exact same half life. Not only that, but after a tren/deca cycle, you should take test only for a few weeks. Why not? You’re gonna be shut down anyway.
Yeah, i mean i read about all these things but i didnt know they would be this impactful. And i certainly didnt expect to go limp dick for 4 months straight, with no signs of recovery.
 
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Deca is detected in your system for a really long time. Like 18 months. People who think they’re off after a month get their blood drawn and still got that deca in their system just shutting down their natural hormones, keeping their ball atrophied. That Deconate ester straight stays in your blood for like 90 days. I know all roids shut down your test, but Deca/Tren really kill it. Anyone who takes Deca should probably take it with Sust. Because the Sust has the exact same half life. Not only that, but after a tren/deca cycle, you should take test only for a few weeks. Why not? You’re gonna be shut down anyway.
Yeah, i mean i read about all these things but i didnt know they would be this impactful. And i certainly didnt expect to go limp dick for 4 months straight, with no signs of recovery.
I guess just keep taking Nolva. There was a guy who T level stayed at 200 for six months after taking Deca. I’m probably not gonna touch Tren or Deca again. Just because I don’t wanna permanently cruise. All the other compounds I can recover from in like a few weeks.
 
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