"Testosterone" pills

[MyOldCrypto]

I've always heard these are a scam. I had a friend swear by them. But he's mostly aloof and probably prone to placeba effect scams.

Thoughts?

 

[Deucalion]

I've always heard these are a scam. I had a friend swear by them. But he's mostly aloof and probably prone to placeba effect scams.

Thoughts?

Very interesting, I have seen oral testosterone undecanoate (jatenzo) it is FDA-approved BUTTTT.... There seem to be a lot of negatives about it, they had a research paper talking about the absorption rates changing based on food intake and which food intake. So, if I would be forced to take an almost 240 mg dose twice daily JUST to get TRT levels and then forced to not eat near these doses, seems like more work than it is worth. we are talking about 4 hours of no eating more than likely given other medications that have similar issues. 1 hour before + after no food x2...

Not to mention its bioavailability, it is going to be nearly fully eliminated from the first-pass liver effect since it is getting absorbed via GI. 2 times a day dosing is because it can not be bound and slowly released via an ester. If there is any change to your SHBG you will feel the effects MUCH stronger than if it were an injectable ester. only raised 87% of mens T to "nOrMAl" levels after 4 months use.

I do not think it is ready yet....

 

[MyOldCrypto]

Very interesting, I have seen oral testosterone undecanoate (jatenzo) it is FDA-approved BUTTTT.... There seem to be a lot of negatives about it, they had a research paper talking about the absorption rates changing based on food intake and which food intake. So, if I would be forced to take an almost 240 mg dose twice daily JUST to get TRT levels and then forced to not eat near these doses, seems like more work than it is worth. we are talking about 4 hours of no eating more than likely given other medications that have similar issues. 1 hour before + after no food x2...

Not to mention its bioavailability, it is going to be nearly fully eliminated from the first-pass liver effect since it is getting absorbed via GI. 2 times a day dosing is because it can not be bound and slowly released via an ester. If there is any change to your SHBG you will feel the effects MUCH stronger than if it were an injectable ester. only raised 87% of mens T to "nOrMAl" levels after 4 months use.

I do not think it is ready yet....

I think this guy is taking those scam testosterone booster supplements lol

 

[Deucalion]

I think this guy is taking those scam testosterone booster supplements lol

Haha oh, my bad. Here is my take on those then. I think if you have low T taking them may give you SOME relief, but it will not fix the underlying problem you are having that is causing that environment of low T. They are not sustainable for different reasons. Some decrease SHBG which leads to high E2 pretty quickly this then shuts down HPTA and natural T production. Some increase LH FSH which desensitizes testicles to LH and FSH, again leading to a slow loss in function and then higher E2 that will shut down HPTA.

Having been on a couple before T injections, NOTHING feels as good as having supraphysiological T levels from exogenous... The small increase from natural with supplements did nothing, or will eventually return you to your new "normal" Then when you stop you are low.

My natural T was 890+ natural then I took some T supplements and the first week or two it increased libido, after that tanked libido, it was always a give and take. You can't realistically stay consistent with them and starting and stopping sucked too.

I will say though, making lifestyle changes and taking supplements that boost your overall health would be better in my experience and opinion, than taking T-boosting supplements. Low-dose boron that you need to cycle on and off of, increased libido, decreased E2, increased T and free T, and increased vitamin D absorption this was a good one, it is a mineral we no longer get enough of from overfarming. Pomegranate extract can increase T levels by up to 40% due to the antioxidant that protects Leydig cells in the testicles from oxidative stress. I would start there.

 

[MyOldCrypto]

Haha oh, my bad. Here is my take on those then. I think if you have low T taking them may give you SOME relief, but it will not fix the underlying problem you are having that is causing that environment of low T. They are not sustainable for different reasons. Some decrease SHBG which leads to high E2 pretty quickly this then shuts down HPTA and natural T production. Some increase LH FSH which desensitizes testicles to LH and FSH, again leading to a slow loss in function and then higher E2 that will shut down HPTA.

Having been on a couple before T injections, NOTHING feels as good as having supraphysiological T levels from exogenous... The small increase from natural with supplements did nothing, or will eventually return you to your new "normal" Then when you stop you are low.

My natural T was 890+ natural then I took some T supplements and the first week or two it increased libido, after that tanked libido, it was always a give and take. You can't realistically stay consistent with them and starting and stopping sucked too.

I will say though, making lifestyle changes and taking supplements that boost your overall health would be better in my experience and opinion, than taking T-boosting supplements. Low-dose boron that you need to cycle on and off of, increased libido, decreased E2, increased T and free T, and increased vitamin D absorption this was a good one, it is a mineral we no longer get enough of from overfarming. Pomegranate extract can increase T levels by up to 40% due to the antioxidant that protects Leydig cells in the testicles from oxidative stress. I would start there.

All your information is so dope man. How did you learn all this stuff?

I'm taking ginseng right now for extra libido and sperm production. No idea if that works but that's what some urologist here told me?

I'll look into the extract you told me

 

[MyOldCrypto]

Haha oh, my bad. Here is my take on those then. I think if you have low T taking them may give you SOME relief, but it will not fix the underlying problem you are having that is causing that environment of low T. They are not sustainable for different reasons. Some decrease SHBG which leads to high E2 pretty quickly this then shuts down HPTA and natural T production. Some increase LH FSH which desensitizes testicles to LH and FSH, again leading to a slow loss in function and then higher E2 that will shut down HPTA.

Having been on a couple before T injections, NOTHING feels as good as having supraphysiological T levels from exogenous... The small increase from natural with supplements did nothing, or will eventually return you to your new "normal" Then when you stop you are low.

My natural T was 890+ natural then I took some T supplements and the first week or two it increased libido, after that tanked libido, it was always a give and take. You can't realistically stay consistent with them and starting and stopping sucked too.

I will say though, making lifestyle changes and taking supplements that boost your overall health would be better in my experience and opinion, than taking T-boosting supplements. Low-dose boron that you need to cycle on and off of, increased libido, decreased E2, increased T and free T, and increased vitamin D absorption this was a good one, it is a mineral we no longer get enough of from overfarming. Pomegranate extract can increase T levels by up to 40% due to the antioxidant that protects Leydig cells in the testicles from oxidative stress. I would start there.

How much pomegranate extract should I be taking daily?

 

[Deucalion]

Apparently, my information is old and maybe wrong haha. I read a bit of peer-reviewed articles, but the only one I can find says a ON AVERAGE 24% increase in T with pomegranate JUICE not extract. I can't find the up ti 40% article... I used 600 mg, I think 1200mg was the peer-reviewed dose used but can not find it to be sure. Either dose is considered safe so long as there are no drug-drug interactions like blood pressure lowers medication, statins, or warfarin (blood thinner).

ginseng increases LH and FSH it really isn't sustainable. There is a lot of anecdotal evidence of desensitization, also new emerging evidence that says not only do they think it can cause temporary dose-dependent desensitization but that they believe there is another mechanism in which it desensitizes. To clarify HCG somehow is different and may or may not cause desensitization per peer-reviewed articles. . Just wanted to add that before someone rips me about HCG, which anecdotally has many instances of needing higher doses for the same effect... but I digress

Have you gotten blood work done? What is your goal here?

 

[MyOldCrypto]

Apparently, my information is old and maybe wrong haha. I read a bit of peer-reviewed articles, but the only one I can find says a ON AVERAGE 24% increase in T with pomegranate JUICE not extract. I can't find the up ti 40% article... I used 600 mg, I think 1200mg was the peer-reviewed dose used but can not find it to be sure. Either dose is considered safe so long as there are no drug-drug interactions like blood pressure lowers medication, statins, or warfarin (blood thinner).

ginseng increases LH and FSH it really isn't sustainable. There is a lot of anecdotal evidence of desensitization, also new emerging evidence that says not only do they think it can cause temporary dose-dependent desensitization but that they believe there is another mechanism in which it desensitizes. To clarify HCG somehow is different and may or may not cause desensitization per peer-reviewed articles. . Just wanted to add that before someone rips me about HCG, which anecdotally has many instances of needing higher doses for the same effect... but I digress

Have you gotten blood work done? What is your goal here?

Goal is libido and to conceive.

Sperm count is a measly 20 non-motile sperm and libido is nada even stacking test. 100mg viagra, and 20mg cialis.

Pt-141 is extremely hard to get here in southeast Asia. Nor does it help with the sperm situation.

I have hcg coming for thr sperm situation

 

[Deucalion]

Goal is libido and to conceive.

Sperm count is a measly 20 non-motile sperm and libido is nada even stacking test. 100mg viagra, and 20mg cialis.

Pt-141 is extremely hard to get here in southeast Asia. Nor does it help with the sperm situation.

I have hcg coming for thr sperm situation

libido - What is your T + Free T + E2?

Fertility - Smart with the hcg! I have heard crazy things like icing your testicles(10 min or less on, do not over do it) can help with sperm count and help with motility DEPENDING on what is causing the motility issues. Multi-vitamin with zinc, I heard pomegranate extract can help but not sure if it is the best bang for your buck in this case.

I would also look into HMG, it is expensive AF so HCG first but it is the bio-identical form of FSH (is my understanding) it will stimulate the sertoli cells that have more to do with spermatogenesis, by stimulating germ cells to produce sperm, I feel like it also somehow helps motility,I could be wrong but something for you to look into man!

 

[psauce]

If you want to conceive, you shouldn't be taking any exogenous testosterone. Most test boosters don't really do a damn thing, or else we wouldn't be here. Agree that HCG is the first thing to try.

Have you had a semen analysis performed? It will tell you everything you need to know about your sperm's abundance, motility, etc. It's a good idea if you're trying to conceive.